No Sh!t....CMP to Sell Surplus Army 1911s

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

It may be very hard to believe, but...  Apparently the Republicans bent over far enough giving him what he wanted that Obummer signed it with the CMP/1911 section of the Bill intact.

 

Now the questions that remain are how long will it take to transfer these firearms (years), for the CMP to acquire their FFL (watch the ATF drag their feet) and for the CMP to sort, grade, repair and post these for sale (a few more years).

And the biggie...  What condition are these pistols in overall?

 

I just put $20.00 in my new CMP/1911savings fund.

 

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/11/foghorn/breaking-obamau-s-army-1911s/

 

BREAKING: Obama Signs Law Allowing Public Sale of Surplus U.S. Army 1911s

By Nick Leghorn on November 25, 2015

The Civilian Marksmanship Program is a system where the U.S. Government has been selling off their stock of aging firearms to the American public in an effort to promote the shooting sports and marksmanship training. They are best known as the prime source for M1 Garand rifles and M1 Carbines, but thanks to a bill signed today by President Obama the CMP may shortly begin to sell off the U.S. Government’s stock of 1911 handguns. These firearms saw combat from WWI through Desert Storm, and you can bet your butt I’ll be waiting in line to snap one up.

 

From the NRA press release:

Rounding out the list of pro-gun provisions is section 1087, which restores authorization to the Secretary of Defense to transfer to the Civilian Marksmanship Program surplus M1911 and M1911A1 .45 ACP pistols for sale to the public. The component of the CMP that dispenses the pistols would be required to obtain a federal firearms license and abide by all requirements of the Gun Control Act pertaining to licensed sales and transfers. Currently, the military has some 100,000 such pistols that it no longer needs and that are being stored as taxpayer expense. These historically-significant firearms can now be transferred to law-abiding owners at a net gain to the government’s heavily-indebted balance sheet.

This is the greatest thing. It’s like an early Christmas present from Barack Obama himself.

Edited November 26, 2015 by ChileRelleno

[G O B 3,516]

Very interesting!

[gunfun 3,931]

Any info about how hard it will be to get them/price?

[Long Shot 1,287]

Any info about how hard it will be to get them/price?

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Any info about how hard it will be to get them/price?

No info out there.

 

I believe we will have a minimum year or two before they are even available for sale at CMP.

If like everything else they will be FCFS, and if they're any good they won't be cheap.

[gunfun 3,931]

It has been a while since I looked into that. Do you have to be a member of the club or attend training or something to be eligible to purchase?

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

There are many ways to qualify for CMP eligibility.

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

 

Requirements for Purchase

By law, the CMP can sell surplus military firearms, ammunition, parts and other items only to members of CMP affiliated clubs who are also U.S. citizens, over 18 years of age and who are legally eligible to purchase a firearm.

 

Proof of U.S. Citizenship:

You must provide a copy of a U.S. birth certificate, passport, proof of naturalization, or any official government document (When using a military ID to prove citizenship, must be an E5 or above) that shows birth in the U.S. or states citizenship as U.S.

Proof of Age:

You must provide proof of age. Usually proof of citizenship also provides proof of age. In those cases where it may not, a driver’s license is sufficient.

Membership in CMP Affiliated Organization:

You must provide a copy of your current membership card or other proof of membership. This requirement cannot be waived. The CMP currently has over 2,000 affiliated organizations located in many parts of the country. CMP Club Member Certification Form- If your CMP affiliated club does not issue individual membership cards, please have the club fill out the CMP Club Member Certification Form and return it with your order.

Membership in many of these organizations costs $25.00 or less and can be accomplished online. A listing of affiliated organizations can be found by clicking on our Club Search web page at http://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=clubSearch. If you have any difficulty in locating a club, please contact the CMP at 256-835-8455 or by emailing CMP Customer Service. We will find one for you. In addition to shooting clubs, the CMP also has several special affiliates. Membership in these organizations satisfies our requirement for purchase. These special affiliates include: Congressionally chartered veterans' organizations such as the VFW, AL, DAV, MCL, etc. U.S. Military services (active or reserves), National Guard, to include retirees. Professional 501©3 law enforcement organizations and associations such as the FOP, NAPO, NSA, etc. The Garand Collector's Association is a CMP Affiliated Club. You can download a Garand Collector's Association Application Form.

Note: Club membership IS required for purchase of rifles, parts, and ammunition.

Club membership is NOT required for instructional publications or videos or CMP memorabilia.

Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity:

You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:

• Current or past military service.
• Current or past law enforcement service
• Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
• Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
• Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
• Concealed Carry License.
• Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training. - FFL or C&R license.
• Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
• Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. Complete the CMP Marksmanship Form to certify your range firing and the required marksmanship related activity for an individual to purchase from the CMP.

No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60. Proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages. NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.

Be Legally Eligible to Purchase a Firearm:

The information you supply on your application will be submitted by the CMP to the FBI National Instant Criminal Check System (NICS) to verify you are not prohibited by Federal, State or Local law from acquiring or possessing a rifle. Your signature on the Purchaser Certification portion of the purchase application authorizes the CMP to initiate the NICS check and authorizes the FBI to inform CMP of the result. IMPORTANT: If your State or locality requires you to first obtain a license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card in order to possess or receive a rifle, you must enclose a photocopy of your license, permit, or card with the application for purchase.

IMPORTANT:

If your State or locality requires you to first obtain a certificate, license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card in order to possess or receive a rifle, you must enclose a photocopy of your certificate, license, permit, or card with the application for purchase. Rifle shipments to NY and NJ must be made to a state licensed dealer. You must provide a copy of the dealer’s license with your order form. Rifle shipments to CA must be made to a State licensed dealer or may be made to individual homes, providing that a CA Certificate of Eligibility and a Curio and Relic License are provided. Rifle shipments to CT must be made to licensed or dealer or may be shipped directly to the customer if a C&R license is provided.

As a result of CT Bill 1160 and Bill 13-220 , which revised CT Bill 1160, all CT customers purchasing rifles to be delivered in CT must have the rifle shipped to a CT licensed dealer or must provide us with a copy of their current Type 3 (C&R) FFL license. We can ship directly to a customer's home if they possess a C&R license.

Edited November 27, 2015 by ChileRelleno

[Sim_Player 1,939]

Unless they are at a huge discount....

 

Their value will be in their papers and history.

 

I love .45's!

 

Almost a half inch of lead, until it hits something hard and expands.

Edited November 27, 2015 by Sim_Player

[JESS1344 508]

GUYS,

HEY, I THOUGHT THAT, AMONG OTHER LIES TOLD, WAS THAT THE USG WAS "ABOUT OUT" OF "SERVICEABLE" 1911'S, AND THAT THOSE FEW LEFT IN INVENTORY WERE JUST JUNK, WOULD COST TOO MUCH TO REFURBISH, ETC., ETC., IN THE MAD RUSH TO FIND EXCUSES TO BUY THAT PIECE-OF-CRAP BERETTA.

 

JESS1344

[gunfun 3,931]

These will be very old ones with tiny sights, etc. The cost of maintaining them in the miltary is a lot higher than the berettas, and those have been good overall performers. Though tupperware would be the sensible choice in 2015 for any military application.

[storm6490 2,768]

Any info ... get them/price?

Get with your local gun range that is part of the civilian marksmanship program and join. Get in on your club group buy. CMP rewards long standing clubs and members first on rarities like this. Good luck!

[gunfun 3,931]

I was afraid of that kind of answer. I barely have the time/money to do the pseudo IPSC wednesdays here. Joining another club that is outside of my taste is too much to get a bargain on a neat gun. Still it's good that these aren't being wasted on rust and cosmolene are going to people who will love them.

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Just follow the link I posted, I bet you already qualify. Then sign up for the CMP newsletter via email, they'll keep everyone posted on updates about the 1911s.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

They could be giving them away and I wouldnt bite.

 

That cheap and yes good 45 would end up costing me a small fortune to gear up another caliber/firearm.

Same thing goes for the M1s, just no desire to add another. 

 

Guns are cheap its the ammo that hoits.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

I would not get too excited about it -- you might end up with the 1911 I was issued back in '78!  What a piece of crap -- I was sure it was from WWII.  It rattled it was so loose.

[Garys4598 1,065]

@ Rhodes1968 and Odd Man Out -- Have either one of you two EVER purchased a firearm from the CMP?  I have.  They do not sell junk or worn-out arms.  All their firearms go through an inspection process, followed-up by parts replacements, repair and when necessary some reconditioning... leading to yet another inspection for classification/grading (e.g., rack grade, field grade, service grade, CMP Special, collector grade, etc.), then sale.

 

@ Odd Man Out -- So, you'll "suffer yourself" as a fool, huh?

[G O B 3,516]

Hey - let them fudd their way out, it just leaves more for the rest of us!

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

@ Rhodes1968 and Odd Man Out -- Have either one of you two EVER purchased a firearm from the CMP?  I have.  They do not sell junk or worn-out arms.  All their firearms go through an inspection process, followed-up by parts replacements, repair and when necessary some reconditioning... leading to yet another inspection for classification/grading (e.g., rack grade, field grade, service grade, CMP Special, collector grade, etc.), then sale.

 

Wish I could like this 10x.

[JDeko 792]

Damn I wish my Hunter's Safety class had had live fire sections when I was 10 or 12 and took it...

[storm6490 2,768]

it's a functional piece of history. as soon as your pistol arrives, you just made money. plus, you can huck lead down range with it! these will be sold in a day. if you really want one, go talk to the cmp ranges and hand them your money now. or, wait to see them quadrupled in price on gunbroker as soon as the first batch goes out.

 

did any of you ever see the armorers supply of parts for these things? i know a few infantry units that would rather die than give up their supply of grease guns and 1911. They keep them around for luck. The parts for them are amazing. The wooden drawers full of replacement parts was outstanding. some jack ass brass probably got a hold of all the remaining ones that were said to be demilled. They were always after the good stuff.

[JDeko 792]

How much would one anticipate one of these might cost?

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

How much would one anticipate one of these might cost?

That will depend on demand, which will be huge, and on the Grade.

I would think that $600.-800. will get you a Field or Service Grade.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

@ Rhodes1968 and Odd Man Out -- Have either one of you two EVER purchased a firearm from the CMP?  I have.  They do not sell junk or worn-out arms.  All their firearms go through an inspection process, followed-up by parts replacements, repair and when necessary some reconditioning... leading to yet another inspection for classification/grading (e.g., rack grade, field grade, service grade, CMP Special, collector grade, etc.), then sale.

 

@ Odd Man Out -- So, you'll "suffer yourself" as a fool, huh?

Nope Gary, I have not.  Thanks for the mini lesson.  Learned a lot.  Still not interested though, the 1911's capacity has never held my attention.

 

Also, why the hate brother?  You need to stand on someone to feel taller???

[Sim_Player 1,939]

Who was it that was hating on Beretta and the .45?

 

My Cougar is very nice! Almost no recoil.

 

A box of 50 rnds won't break my bank.

 

Damn gun snobs.

 

I'd love one of these but, I broke my budget, this year.

Edited December 5, 2015 by Sim_Player

[XD45 7,124]

Why You Won't Be Buying CMP 1911s Any Time Soon...

 

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/08/18/why-you-wont-buy-a-1911-pistol-from-the-cmp-any-time-soon/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2015-11-28&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

[G O B 3,516]

POOO

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Why You Won't Be Buying CMP 1911s Any Time Soon...

 

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/08/18/why-you-wont-buy-a-1911-pistol-from-the-cmp-any-time-soon/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=2015-11-28&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

That article is from August.

The NDAA, with the CMP/1911 surplus sales section, has now passed and been signed by Obummer.

 

However, yes, it will still be IMO a couple of years or more, before we see these 1911s ready for sale by the CMP.

It will take a lot of time for the pistols/parts to be transferred, sorted, graded and put up for sale.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

@ Rhodes1968 and Odd Man Out -- Have either one of you two EVER purchased a firearm from the CMP?  I have.  They do not sell junk or worn-out arms.  All their firearms go through an inspection process, followed-up by parts replacements, repair and when necessary some reconditioning... leading to yet another inspection for classification/grading (e.g., rack grade, field grade, service grade, CMP Special, collector grade, etc.), then sale.

 

@ Odd Man Out -- So, you'll "suffer yourself" as a fool, huh?

 

Got a better question for you, did you even read what I posted or did you scan and post?

Any of you? I have serious doubts.

 

It is not a quality issue, never was, if I have bought from them in the past is an absolute NUNYA but I will reveal that I have visited the Anniston location more than once.

Read the fuckin post first.

[Garys4598 1,065]

....you might end up with the 1911 I was issued back in '78!  What a piece of crap.... It rattled it was so loose.

 

 

 

@ Rhodes1968 and Odd Man Out -- Have either one of you two EVER purchased a firearm from the CMP?  I have.  They do not sell junk or worn-out arms.  All their firearms go through an inspection process, followed-up by parts replacements, repair and when necessary some reconditioning... leading to yet another inspection for classification/grading (e.g., rack grade, field grade, service grade, CMP Special, collector grade, etc.), then sale.

 

@ Odd Man Out -- So, you'll "suffer yourself" as a fool, huh?

 

Got a better question for you, did you even read what I posted or did you scan and post?

Any of you? I have serious doubts.

 

Read the fuckin post first.

 

 

@ Odd Man Out -- Why the butt-hurt? (YOU)  I read your first reply post (excerpt at top; above) and I believe that I comprehended it appropriately.  You inferred that the surplus 1911 .45 pistols the CMP may be selling will be similar to the "piece of crap" that you were introduced to during 1978.  Based on my personal experience with CMP purchases, I know you to be wrong.  Therefore, in my opinion and life experience YOU ARE A FOOL for portending to the forum members here something that you have no experience with (e.g., a firearm from the CMP).  That said, I found your avatar's signature statement (or whatever the correct term for it) of: "DOES NOT SUFFER FOOLS LIGHTLY..." to be hypocritical (at best).

 

Frankly, I reviewed my reply post to yours, twice before hitting "Add Reply".... I thought I was being somewhat generous to both of you. 

 

~Gary

 

Edited December 5, 2015 by Gary

[Garys4598 1,065]

Hmmm...  Upon further examination I will admit that my reply post immediately above, was almost entirely directed and intended for Odd Man Out, and I confused (or lumped together) Rhodes1968's initial reply post with Odd Man Out's remarks.

 

Regardless, I owe Rhodes1968 an apology.  SORRY!

 

~Gary