saltydecimator 482 Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Tell me more aboot toxic paper?? I have a pic of a gas puck I need to post that Joe Bobby tried to rig. Pretty sure if this gun would have fired would have been out of battery 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Paper remark was kind of Tongue-in-cheek referring to the instructions in the manual to "annihilate the paper" the guns were wrapped in. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/41363-new-s12-paper-dangerous/?hl=%2Bannihilate+%2Bpaper&do=findComment&comment=374310 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 oh thats funny! i figured it was like a Beech King Air Maintenance Manual and everything was out of date or didnt apply....so i never read it in its entirety.... but good on you who did so we could have good chuckles!! bakc to shotty, im stoked if not chinese... i just cant warm up to them... now, if it is, the park finish is ideal to hide with duracoat...then maybe i could tolerate it. the features sure are nice... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I hope it's the Turks. They do good stuff with new machines that aren't sloppy and Shitty, allegedly that's what made a lot of lever Marlins wonky recently. Old machines with too much slop where all parts were in tolerance, but in such a way that they still would not function. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted December 31, 2015 Report Share Posted December 31, 2015 I have been following this the last couple weeks on AK files, until the thread was locked. I will be getting one as soon as they are available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Will its barrel handle steel shot ? for $600 I bet it will not Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Will its barrel handle steel shot ? for $600 I bet it will not Bird shot rides in a plastic shot cup. Never makes direct contact with the barrel. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Catamount Furies still say they can't handle steel shot though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 1, 2016 Report Share Posted January 1, 2016 Will its barrel handle steel shot ? for $600 I bet it will not Bird shot rides in a plastic shot cup. Never makes direct contact with the barrel. Pick up a few wads and you will see that the shot penetrates the wad and DOES contact the barrel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Saiga Saga 7 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Will its barrel handle steel shot ? for $600 I bet it will not If it's chrome lined it should be able to handle steel shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Paper remark was kind of Tongue-in-cheek referring to the instructions in the manual to "annihilate the paper" the guns were wrapped in. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/41363-new-s12-paper-dangerous/?hl=%2Bannihilate+%2Bpaper&do=findComment&comment=374310 That stuff reeks. I got it out of the house ASAP. Internal RemChoke threads was a think the kittymounts got right. Since these guys did left side charging handles, etc. That seems like a strange one to go backwards on. *a thing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Lawyer speak. Steel shot with a full choke is iffy at best, and a KB at worst - so Lawyer speak say no-no. You blow,we no pay. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 My concern I guess is the quality of the barrel. I know that shot like tugston is coated . $600 is cheep for what you are getting here. We will see if it pans out. Something I am looking for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 The deal with steel shot and barrels not designed for it is not so much about wear.... The barrel can actually develop a bulge because a load of steel shot does not compress slightly like lead shot will. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 The deal with steel shot and barrels not designed for it is not so much about wear.... The barrel can actually develop a bulge because a load of steel shot does not compress slightly like lead shot will. Ding Ding Ding...we have a winner! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 If not a "vodka special", would it instead be a "caffeine ... ?" What would be a good word that rhymes with caffeine? Also who would RUIN a perfectly good AK pattern firearm by putting on a CHEAP RATTLETRAP CAR15 sliding butt stock? Just me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Will its barrel handle steel shot ? for $600 I bet it will notBird shot rides in a plastic shot cup. Never makes direct contact with the barrel. Pick up a few wads and you will see that the shot penetrates the wad and DOES contact the barrel I have as I've run dozens of Winchester Xpert steel Shot 100rd bulk packs through my s12, that's all the local place stocked in bulk. Never saw one cup that had signs of holes in it. But then again my s12 is at factory cylinder bore. Never had a choke on it. I wouldn't run them through a choke but I (obviously) wouldn't hesitate to run them through a cylinder bore muzzle. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Yeah right Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Yeah right *shrugs* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XdamagedX 248 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 But then again my s12 is at factory cylinder bore. Never had a choke on it. I wouldn't run them through a choke but I (obviously) wouldn't hesitate to run them through a cylinder bore muzzle. Cylinder bore is the safety here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Cylinder bore is the safety here It will still destroy the barrel because all steel shot destroys the shot cup and makes contact with the bore. Some dude said so. Edited January 3, 2016 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 all shot penetrates the cup to some degree did not claim that ruins the barrel We have burned tens of thousands of rounds testing guns, the shot cups or wads get raked up by the thousands. I have to pick them up....I SEE the spots where shot have penetrated the cup, on just about EVERY wad So saying you have shot x thousand rnds and NEVER seen a wad having been breached by a pellet... Thats not an honest statement..... I shoot into a specific spot where the shot is recovered and the wads all end up close by. Just how many wads do you recover? And I am far from....just some dude Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) all shot penetrates the cup to some degree did not claim that ruins the barrel We have burned tens of thousands of rounds testing guns, the shot cups or wads get raked up by the thousands. I have to pick them up....I SEE the spots where shot have penetrated the cup, on just about EVERY wad So saying you have shot x thousand rnds and NEVER seen a wad having been breached by a pellet... Thats not an honest statement..... I shoot into a specific spot where the shot is recovered and the wads all end up close by. Just how many wads do you recover? And I am far from....just some dude I have roughly 18-1900rds through mine. The majority (12-1300) are steel Xpert rounds because the 100rd bulk packs were $22 when Farm and Fleet stocked it. I do not pick up every shot cup because I don't always shoot on private property but I have picked up many shot cups when I am. Yes they get chewed up. My muzzle device has plastic from shot cups in the ports. I have never picked one up that had holes in it from just being fired. Especially holes showing evidence of outward travel. I have seen wads that got shot up while they were on the ground and those had holes in them but the difference is pretty obvious of which way the hole(s) was punched through. Speaking of dishonest statements, trying to say you inspect every wad of the thousands that you shoot, is complete bullshit. That's a waste of time, especially for someone who is more than just some dude. So which us it, it penetrates it and contacts the barrel or just penetrates the cup to some degree? A hole is a hole, deformation of the wad does not equal bore contact. Edited January 3, 2016 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Google image turns up some decent pics. Ermagerd look at all the holes in these cups/wads.. Two of these (guess which two) were shot through something called a 'Patternmaster' which is known for fucking up wads. http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=200234 (scroll down for info) Edited January 3, 2016 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 (edited) Even more holes.... A-Hole Just random pictures from the interwebs. My search term was 'once fired shotgun wads'. Edited January 3, 2016 by Mullet Man 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 This has turned into a very informative section. I will wait to see what this gun turns out to be. As you cannot use lead in most State and Fed hunting areas it would be nice if it was rated for steel as I would like to take it pheasant hunting . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 I dont inspect the wads, I rake them up and pitch them out. And i see plenty of places the cup has a hole , just by handling them. Look close you can see plenty penetrations in YOUR posted pics. Not to mention pellets that touch the barrel between the slots on the cups. If shot did not EVER touch the barrel....we would NEVER have to clean lead out of a shotgun barrel. I make a simple comment that shot DOES penetrate wads, and get this shit storm?????????????? WTF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 It is simple physics. The shot is trying to get out of the way of the rapidly expanding gas. The usual path of least resistance is to go sideways. In a firearm, the barrel forces it to go forward, but it still tries to go sideways. Look at a nuclear explosion mushroom cloud and imagine constraining it in a pipe. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Do we have country of Mfg yet? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SGL 530 Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 No but supposedly more details should be coming soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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