XD45 7,124 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 I've been surprised by the profusion of factory SBRs. Could the rise in popularity of NFA items lead to a repeal of the NFA itself? Start with de-regulating SBRs, SBSs, and cans. Machine guns would be a much steeper hill to climb but one step at a time. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 ...and lose a revenue stream? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 ...and lose a revenue stream? .... and lose forced registration? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Odd Man Out 1,283 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Besides all that there is the left's paranoia with all things 2A... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Shot 1,287 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 ...and lose a revenue stream? As I understand It, it cost More than they bring in to process the $200.00 tax stamp. Not that "revenue positive" is a consideration or even part of the vocabulary any .gov agency. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Considering that the country is full of unregistered "pistol" versions of ARs, AKs, FALs, HKs, and whatnot, there is literally no argument for keeping the SBR part of the nfa. The same applies to silencers. If a criminal wants a silencer he just makes one from commonly available hardware store items. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Shot 1,287 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Considering that the country is full of unregistered "pistol" versions of ARs, AKs, FALs, HKs, and whatnot, there is literally no argument for keeping the SBR part of the nfa. The same applies to silencers. If a criminal wants a silencer he just makes one from commonly available hardware store items. There ya go again, using logic and reason against an argument based in emotion. In reality the same logic applies to all restrictions on 2A. If logic were to prevail all infringements would be abolished. Edited January 30, 2016 by Long Shot 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Considering that the country is full of unregistered "pistol" versions of ARs, AKs, FALs, HKs, and whatnot, there is literally no argument for keeping the SBR part of the nfa. The same applies to silencers. If a criminal wants a silencer he just makes one from commonly available hardware store items. There ya go again, using logic and reason against an argument based in emotion. In reality the same logic applies to all restrictions on 2A. If logic were to prevail all infringements would be abolished. But proliferation makes inforcement impractical. More importantly it changes the experiences the 'average guy' has had. In the last 10 years, the average voter is way more likely to have shot at all, and probably shot something cool that didn't fit into the old buckets than before. Even more have a cousin who handled one, or watched a lot of videos on youtube. Public opinion has been swinging our way based on public interaction. This is what has been changing our policy. Lack of public experience was what got us where we are. NFA of 1934 got rammed through when the public was over stressed about being broke, and few people had more than a single shot shotgun and a worn out rifle or two. Prohibitive taxes on tommy guns like the gangsters on the radio used was as relevant to most people as gas guzzler tax on bugatti veyrons are to us. We might think it sounds unreasonable, but it has no bearing on our personal lives. Most people didn't have an autopistol, let alone a tommy gun. Guys like T. Roosevelt had silencers on their exotic semi auto hunting rifles. Broke people in the depression were mostly deciding whether they could afford a cheap revolver. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted January 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 The klinton "aw" ban was allowed to sunset and people saw that it made no difference. We know that nothing bad will happen if the nfa goes away and all we have to do is get enough people to understand that. I never miss a chance to educate anyone about the stupidity and arbitraryness of the nfa. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 And the best way is to get them to ask the question rather than rant at them. Show them something fun, and let them try it. i.e. an AR then an AR pistol. Then show how easy they are to strip, and how modular they are. while the uppers and lowers are on the table, next to eachother, they will look at them and say, ~"could I put this on that and vice versa?" Then you get to answer yes to one, no to the other, unless you register and pay a $200, tax and wait six+ months. Do it with a smile as though that were perfectly reasonable, and common knowledge. They will be the one ranting at you about how it makes no sense. -- It sticks in their mind a lot longer and gets the gears going more than showing your frustration. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Darth Saigus has it complete right. I agree. No problem there. The rub rests with our own government is made up of humans and because of this our own nation is now slowly sliding down into the muck and mud. Down the Rabbit Hole. Nations are born, they grow, they thrive, then they become fat and lazy then start to deteriorate. We have had a good 220 year or so run. Now it is our turn. No way around this. History tends to repeat itself. Around and around. We as a nation have not had it very rough for over 150 years. As a whole nation. The South has never recovered from the outrages pressed upon us after the War Of Northern Aggression. We as a whole have traded security at the expense of liberty. We are losing both. The Gun Control Act of 1932 (?) was a bad start. Then the Gun Control Act of 1968 was just as bad. The 10th Amendment still is there. The BATFE is an illegal outfit. The 400 pound angry Gorilla. An out of control Gorilla with death squad swat teams. Bouncing here. The British marched on Lexington and Concord in 1775 to seize legal at the time private firearms and ordnance. Small cannon also. The Brits then knew patriots and firearms were dangerous. History happened. Nasty indeed. Has anything changed today? Yikes! We have come a long way baby. The only problem is that we have gone in the wrong direction. The 2nd Amendment says what it says. There should OF A FREE STATE or NOT BE INFRINGED with owing and using practically any firearm or weapon. It is not about hunting and self defense. It is all about being able to abolish a bad government by force of arms. Very scary. Also from time to time necessary. Rant almost complete. Time to water that Tree Of Liberty? Gawd, I hope not. STATE meaning a state of being. A situation. A condition of being. Not like the state of Virginia. A well regulated militia then meaning anybody who could carry, shoot, keep up, endure, dream, hope, fail, bleed, possibly die ... never give up, never surrender and always prevail. Not some state or national guard or sheriff or cops. Most certainly not the military. Edited February 2, 2016 by HB of CJ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Wait, there is more. This is like a good healthy puke; you can feel it coming and there is nothing going to stop it. Embrace it. If the DCM (Department of Civilian Marksmanship) had any balls, (which, in my opinion they do NOT) we would have offers for purchase good used surplus government (military and other) M16A1 and M16A2 rifles and carbines to existing rolls of NFA items. Per 1986 builds. Zero exposure. Zero risk. But that is just a pipe dream. Oh well. Thank you; I feel better now. Rant complete. Can I have more? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 We all know that 11th un-American part makes the firearm automatically far more deadly and evil. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) To the OP. I think that if more large manufacturers of firearms sell great numbers of title 2 weapons and they fund their lobbyists to get changes it could happen. This is America and is all about corporations and back door deals. They could sneak it in on a background funding bill or something, like they did in 1986. Edited February 3, 2016 by Ak Monty 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Heck with the pop gun M16. If the DCM had any, they would open up transfers to responsible existing NFA people, light, medium and heavy belt guns. Along with that, how about some boop tube M79s? Or even some pre 1986 ex military single, duel and other light auto cannons? Or does the Second Amendment not say what it means? I would also include light, medium and heavy man portable mortars. Just me. Thank you. I feel better now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 Don't forget the MK19! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I think my state disallows SBS and SBRs but probably if the federal stuff were lifted Lansing would cave too since we've had open carry here forever so its not like this is an anti-gun state. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 I think my state disallows SBS and SBRs but probably if the federal stuff were lifted Lansing would cave too since we've had open carry here forever so its not like this is an anti-gun state. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 How about mortars and hand grenades? The argument can be made that all military arms are covered by the Second. But let's keep our focus. SBRs, SBSs, and silencers have become mainstream. If we have any hope of regaining ground we have to start with those. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blessthefall 27 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Considering that the country is full of unregistered "pistol" versions of ARs, AKs, FALs, HKs, and whatnot, there is literally no argument for keeping the SBR part of the nfa. My favorite is that hilarious "arm brace" thing that's on all of the "pistols" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonWienke 131 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 It's fugly, but it serves the purpose. If it helps get the NFA repealed (at least the stupid SBR/SBS parts) it's well worth the fugly. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sobrenegade 795 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 I will be willing to bet lunch the "Hearing Protection Act" HR 3799, won't see the light of day until a new commander in chief is elected and only if it's a republican. NFA items seem to me to be red headed step children and only those of us that know them love them. Repeal the NFA? One can only hope and dream we finally get some guts in the WH. I was going to say "balls", but I like Carly Fiorina too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 You could say "gonads" that covers ovaries too, and I agree Carly has a good set of them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Karly is good enough to follow the letter of the law while thumbing her nose at the intent. No thanks. I'll pass. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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