Squeaky 135 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Hello: It seems like many new models of .30 caliber rifles these days come available in either .308 or .300 Win. Mag., but not .30-06. I admit my ignorance of the ballistics of these three main .30 caliber cartridges, but it seems like good 'ole .30-06 is found only in typical bolt-action hunting rifles with thin barrels. One exception is the Remington 700 "Long Range" model. Many reloading manuals mention how .30-06 is superior to .308 when one wants to use heavier bullets. It simply can hold more powder than the .308 cartridge when needed. I understand how the .308 is an inherently more accurate cartridge at least up to 500 yards, but I assume if you know what you're doing you can be sure of hitting a farther target with .30-06 than with a .308. However, it seems like .300 Win. Mag. has taken over the 500 - 1,000 yard arena. Just wondering. I'd hate to see the .30-06 disappear because it's a very versatile cartridge when it comes to reloading. I personally wouldn't mind having a Savage 110 FCP in .30-06, but again I assume there must be a reason why it hasn't been chambered for that cartridge. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,074 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Obsolete? Going the way of the DoDo? Hell no. Way too much of a well respected historical military & venerable hunting round. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 We have some very rich friends out here in SW OR USA who are into belt guns. Sometimes we will get a call to come over and help have fun loading up and linking 1000 rounds of good old rompin stompin 30.06. Just a small supply. I believe they have some sort of cool collectible right plate Browning 1919A4 water cooled belt fed machine gun ... in 30.06. Hardly obsolete. Just ask the various targets. All Oregon State, US Code Laws And NFA Rules Apply. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Obsolete would mean it no longer serves it's function. Disuse is a more fitting description as the round performs its function as well as it ever did but other rounds are selected for chambering for economic reasons. It is heading into disuse is completely true, just as the 54R is also but still completely functional. We knew this would happen to both once milsurp supplies played out. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 No. Next question. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 My M1s dont think so...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 The 30-06 is still the most versatile cartridge in the world. It I could have only one rifle for all hunting for the rest of my life it would be an 06. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Only caliber that works from 55gr to 220gr it is not as popular as it once was, due to .308 covering from 55gr to 180gr, and less people who need the heavier bullets. That said, it has been around 110 years, and will be around another 110 years! 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Only if you're a mall ninja! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Lot of emotion, interesting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CruisinTx2 49 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Not if these guys have any influence. http://onlylongrange.com/bn36-carbine-assassin/ http://onlylongrange.com/bn36-long-range-assassin-30-06/ http://onlylongrange.com/bn36-carbine-assassin-x/ This one is on my pipe dream list. Edited February 15, 2016 by CruisinTx2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Only if you're a mall ninja! The guys I know who shoot a lot of 06, would use mall ninjas for butt wipes 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Only if you're a mall ninja! The guys I know who shoot a lot of 06, would use mall ninjas for butt wipes That'd be redundant. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Are there any examples of a caliber becoming obsolete? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Are there any examples of a caliber becoming obsolete? only the large rimfires ,Pinfires and a few black powder calibers A number are uncommon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 54 cal. Oh wait that's a muzzle loader never mind! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Shit, 54R is going out of fashion too? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Are there any examples of a caliber becoming obsolete? Even though I still shoot it, I would have to say .357 Maximum...and all the other Supermag calibers .375, .445 are all obsolete. I shoot my Dan Wesson .357 Supermag more than anything. Probably my favorite gun of all time. I have bagged quite a few bucks with this revolver. The .357 Maximum cartridge packs a lot of punch. There are still a few people who load the Supermag rounds, but your definitely not going to find them for sale on any shelf any where in the country. Edited February 15, 2016 by SHOTGUN MESSIAH 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 Are there any examples of a caliber becoming obsolete? 45 GAP. It was born obsolete. 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
2manysaigas 14 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 German Salazar took the time to compare match scores of 308 vs 30-06. At mid range targets, 500 and 600 yards, 308 had a "slight" advantage in scores. At longer distances, 800-1000 yards, 30-06 has a "slight" advantage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Are there any examples of a caliber becoming obsolete? Not really given I cant think of a single one that does not work. Obsolete would be using a Vietnam era fire control radar system in a 2010 environment, it just wouldn't perform its function due to the altered ECM environment. It is obsolete. A 35 Wildcat will still drop a deer. As for disuse there are tons of those though I doubt anything has really disappeared from all use yet. Economic viability on the other hand can be derived by just checking out what ammo is consistently and reliably available for a decent price. As for the "manliness" of 30-06 I really hope you folks are kidding. Manly men doing manly things with manly ammo? Edited February 15, 2016 by Rhodes1968 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 If the barrels weren't so thin [the look like pellet guns online at least] and if the had larger than 5 round mags I'd be pretty tempted by a Remington 7600 in 30.06. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Don't be naive. Those thin barrels are more acurate than most of the people shooting them. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 If the barrels weren't so thin [the look like pellet guns online at least] and if the had larger than 5 round mags I'd be pretty tempted by a Remington 7600 in 30.06. Yeah, and they don't have any place to mount a laser. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,074 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 If the barrels weren't so thin [the look like pellet guns online at least] and if the had larger than 5 round mags I'd be pretty tempted by a Remington 7600 in 30.06. Yeah, and they don't have any place to mount a laser. LMAO 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I'm really not that into lasers actually Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 If the barrels weren't so thin [the look like pellet guns online at least] and if the had larger than 5 round mags I'd be pretty tempted by a Remington 7600 in 30.06. I've got 10 rnd mags for my 740 and 7400. Only problem is they don't field strip for cleaning. That's my biggest complaint! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk451 2,230 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 It's just slightly more obsolete than the 1911... As far as a cartridge dying out, I can think of at least one example that 'came back from the brink'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I've got 10 rnd mags for my 740 and 7400. Only problem is they don't field strip for cleaning. That's my biggest complaint! Duly noted, though I was kinda drawn into the idea of a Remington 30.06 rifle by the prospect of a pump action one due to the unique nature therein of one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squeaky 135 Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I suppose my real question is why are fewer rifles chambered for .30-06? It seems like all you here about are .308 and .300 Win. Mag. rifles. For example: the Savage 110 FCP is not available in .30-06, but it is available in .308 and .300 Win. Mag. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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