Squeaky 135 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I recall the Finnish had a 20mm anti-tank rifle called the Lahti or Latti I think - not sure about the spelling. Anyway ... why doesn't Lapua or Sako or Tikka bring something like this monster back into production with modern upgrades (like a serious muzzle brake) for those who want to be sure they can take-out a SCUD missile or a tank? Or make instant moose tar-tar. I want to cover the whole spectrum from .177 BB guns to 20 mm. You just never know what a situation might require. As a patriotic American, I'd like to give my Army and Marine Corps friends a choice between 5.56 and 20mm by golly should they ever need to barrow one of my rifles. I recall a show where an original Lahti got restored. It was impressive. On a more serious note, however, do any armies still use anti-tank rifles or is that an outdated concept given the presence of anti-tank missiles and R.P.G.s? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 50 is max cal allowed for breach loading arms 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Cabron 91 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 That would be very fun to shoot, but very expensive. It would be classified as a destructive device, and would have to be registered and licensed with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), see below. Anti-tank rifles are obsolete now, and would be ineffective against anything but lightly armored vehicles, such as older APC’s. There are numerous shoulder fired anti-tank weapons systems that are lighter, more powerful, and much easier to deploy: the US M72 LAW, replaced by US AT4; the RPG family of Russian anti-tank weapons; etc. 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(4): DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE 26 U.S.C. § 5845(f)(2): DESTRUCTIVE DEVICE (Firearm having a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter) Section 5845(f), Title 26, United States Code, classifies certain weapons as “destructive devices” which are subject to the registration and tax provisions of the National Firearms Act (NFA). Section 5845(f)(2) provides as follows: (f) Destructive device.--The term “destructive device” means * * * (2) any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary or his delegate finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes; . . .” 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hawk451 2,230 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I've shot the Lahti-39, muzzle brake is very effective: kinda like a 50 BMG on steroids. Recoil isn't actually too bad, but the concussion from the brake is fairly intense. Sci-Fi movie prop? NSFW Nope: The Boers aren't the only folks toying with this: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatonic 159 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I think you can still build your own 20mm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Where would someone safely shoot a 20 mm? Where would you get reloading supply's ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Where would someone safely shoot a 20 mm? Where would you get reloading supply's ? Not on the east coast. But out here in the west we have plenty of places. People who play with those kind of firearms find a way to load for them I have a friend who had a Lahti It was a monster, I never shot it but picked it up...once He had antique ammo for it that carried a very high value, he also made his own projectiles and loaded for it. He was VERY ill a few years ago and sold all of his collection to pay medical bills 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 We've got a few places here in PA that are good to 1km. We use them for 50 cal shooting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Let's see new car or reload 20 mm for the weekend. Decisions decisions. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Im curious what "anti-material" squeaky wants to shoot 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Twinkles! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blessthefall 27 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) Im curious what "anti-material" squeaky wants to shoot Likely some sort of Nutnfancy/Red Dawn-esque fantasy wherein he is some sort of commando. Around here, we stock up on shotguns and semi-auto rifles, just in case there's a riot again. Edited February 17, 2016 by blessthefall 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 I think Nutnfancy would spend too much time lecturing other survivors on how they're not surviving right to actually to anything impressive if the world fell to shit. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Im curious what "anti-material" squeaky wants to shoot Whelp- shoot matter into antimatter, and then you can time travel to 1934 and prevent the NFA. Pretty sure that's how it works. Then we could own all the cool ordnance and materiel we want. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Black powder cannons are GREAT 'anti material' guns, and are a HOOT to SHOOT! (Considerably cheaper too, tho not cheap) 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 antimatter! 1934! Time travel! I like twinkies better ( deep fried baby with raspberry jam and whip cream) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 It'd be fun to shoot a dead or dying tree with a 20mm cannon of some sort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatonic 159 Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 20mm is a stopper. If you live in the hills as I do and can see the way in on the next mtn, Well if you want to close the trail..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scoutjoe 276 Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 http://www.anzioironworks.com/MAG-FED-20MM-RIFLE.htm You know...for rabid T-rex hunting 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
blessthefall 27 Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 Honestly, I think 20mm is too big and unnecessary. What type of rifle is best for shooting down a drone? Now we're asking the important questions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) Too much for drones? Edited February 18, 2016 by Ronin38 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 ^^^^^^Just right for duck and goose hunting! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Too much for drones? ^^^^^^Just right for duck and goose hunting! Oh what I'd do to make it so I could use that for goose hunting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 You could always build something like the Sons Of Guns bastard gatling shotgun. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Too much for drones? ^^^^^^Just right for duck and goose hunting! Oh what I'd do to make it so I could use that for goose hunting. Lock & Load!! I would dearly love to light up that gun on a large flock of geese! (Ducks I don't mind so much.) Geese are mean, ugly, have a bad attitude and shit all over everything! Too greasy for my liking, too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 If I could stick a 25rd drum mag in my Saiga I'd have a lot more fun. Select fire and I'd need to sit down and cool off lest I catch a case of the vapors. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 If you feel nostalgic and want something to take down the jap zeros with traditional projectiles, try a 338l. Here is a surgeon that's surprisingly mobile. Its all how you load it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Capt Nemo 882 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Too much for drones? ^^^^^^Just right for duck and goose hunting! Oh what I'd do to make it so I could use that for goose hunting. Lock & Load!! I would dearly love to light up that gun on a large flock of geese! (Ducks I don't mind so much.) Geese are mean, ugly, have a bad attitude and shit all over everything! Too greasy for my liking, too. My fantasy is a belt-fed FA 12 ga in an anti-aircraft chair to make duck hunting fun again. It's boring shooting a duck a shot. Need something to put the sport back into it. Bustin 50 rnds just to maybe hit one duck puts the fun back in! And no matter what full-auto is fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 I just honestly suck ovaries at hunting, I dunno if I shoot high, low, before, after, or if its spread too thin. Sporting or not I don't really care, I have no shame in saying that if it were legal I'd pull my Saiga out and kill as many as I had shells for on the quad of my old college. There had to be like 6 dozen of the bastards just fucking about there hissing and honking at you as you walk to class. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 I've always thought 'sporting' was an asinine concept. Hunting is not about proving your worth vs an animal. I suppose you can make it that. However if you do, you basically handicap yourself and make getting a clean kill more difficult. i.e. 'sporting' hunting is the form of hunting most likely to be cruel. As it happens, IMO sportsmanship is the only unethical thing I see in normal hunting. What people should be concerned with is cruel or not cruel, effective or not effective. (also destructive vs productive management of the resource) If you want to hunt in a way that is effective enough for your wants or needs and is not cruel, go for it. So if you want to slowly stalk up to that deer and ram a spear through its chest from contact, and it is sure to die quickly with a relative minimum of pain, go for it. If you just want to go out to the field behind your house take a single shot and come back five minutes later with meat and it is not cruel, go for it. Anyone who looks down on someone else for having a different threshold of challenge vs practical is an ass. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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