308SAIGA 55 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Hello all, I am in the market for a good reliable AK and need your opinion, I have read reviews on IO (Inter Ordnance) was not very good, and I have always heard Century was (past tense) also, everything else is out of reach for me , I just laid down $1200 for a PTR 91, so money wise I'd be looking from $800-$850, any thoughts? Century Arms Zastava N-PAP, anyone have one? Wasr 10 any good? Rate it here.... TIA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Both will serve you well, and the differences are functionally pretty insignificant. Biggest things I can think of off the top of my head are that Yugos are much nicer aesthetically and WASR will have a chrome-lined bore. WASR will also take standard stamped-receiver AK handguards if you care about changing the furniture at some point. If it were me and I was planning on leaving it alone I'd just go for the M70. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) I would save up a few more coins for one of these. http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/SAM7UF.html Edited July 9, 2016 by yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Most AKs, with chrome barrels, are pretty close, in quality. (Classic might be an exception) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 I'm in the same search, but I like the reviews on the DDI's. They've taken another $100 jump, up to $900. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) $900 and you're getting into Bulgarian Arsenal with factory side folder (and all the bells and whistles) territory. Yugos have too many proprietary parts. They're the oddball of the AK family. Wouldn't be my choice unless I just needed to round off the AK collection for some reason. Can't believe no one has suggested this yet but get yourself a Vepr they are right in your price range right now (all calibers available, 5.45, 5.56, 6.5Grendal, 7.62x39, .308, 54r ). There is no better built higher quality AK on the market right now at the price range. Sure they come in as sporters like Saigas did but it doesn't take much to turn them around and the starting point is leaps and bounds ahead of a Saiga. Edit; Sucky part about the Vepr is the slant cut receiver. https://www.legionusa.com/saiga-vepr-rifles-for-sale/ak-vepr-rifles.html Edited July 9, 2016 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 $900 and you're getting into Bulgarian Arsenal with factory side folder (and all the bells and whistles) territory. Yugos have too many proprietary parts. They're the oddball of the AK family. Wouldn't be my choice unless I just needed to round off the AK collection for some reason. Can't believe no one has suggested this yet but get yourself a Vepr they are right in your price range right now (all calibers available, 5.45, 5.56, 6.5Grendal, 7.62x39, .308, 54r ). There is no better built higher quality AK on the market right now at the price range. Sure they come in as sporters like Saigas did but it doesn't take much to turn them around and the starting point is leaps and bounds ahead of a Saiga. Edit; Sucky part about the Vepr is the slant cut receiver. https://www.legionusa.com/saiga-vepr-rifles-for-sale/ak-vepr-rifles.html Aren't VEPR magazines proprietary? And all I can see is 5 and 10 rounders out there. I haven't got an issue with the slant cut. Hell, I even did that to my Saiga when I built it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Aren't VEPR magazines proprietary? And all I can see is 5 and 10 rounders out there. I haven't got an issue with the slant cut. Hell, I even did that to my Saiga when I built it. No different than what a Saiga needs done to use AK surplus type mags. Bullet guide and a little mag latch trimming. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 Anything as long as it's not Chinese or Egyptian and you'll be ok. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted July 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 (edited) Hey guys thank you, plz keep them coming... ETA: I went to get the PTR on Friday, and the ATF system would not go through, so I had to leave without the weapon, it was late and she (person helping me) stayed 45 minutes after the place closed trying to get this to clear... I hope this does not bite my in the ass. Edited July 9, 2016 by 308saiga Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 $900 and you're getting into Bulgarian Arsenal with factory side folder (and all the bells and whistles) territory. Yugos have too many proprietary parts. They're the oddball of the AK family. Wouldn't be my choice unless I just needed to round off the AK collection for some reason. Can't believe no one has suggested this yet but get yourself a Vepr they are right in your price range right now (all calibers available, 5.45, 5.56, 6.5Grendal, 7.62x39, .308, 54r ). There is no better built higher quality AK on the market right now at the price range. Sure they come in as sporters like Saigas did but it doesn't take much to turn them around and the starting point is leaps and bounds ahead of a Saiga. Edit; Sucky part about the Vepr is the slant cut receiver. https://www.legionusa.com/saiga-vepr-rifles-for-sale/ak-vepr-rifles.html What besides the furniture is proprietary? I thought the guts in N-PAPs were AKM parts. I was thinking the same thing about the Arsenal side-folders but I took a look and I'll be damned if I can find a 107 for under $1300, if you can even find one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 The safety, barrel/furniture components, gas tube, threaded sight blocks(26mm) and grip angle. FCG is standard AK stuff. IMO, the only really nice feature Yugo's have is the hot blued finish like pre-ban Chinese guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
young_machinist 3 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 This is my Century arms C39 version 1 I bought it brand new almost 3 years ago and have ran this thing through the mud and back with friends. Over 4k rounds and only one ftf due to primer seated to low. This gun by far was the best budget AK variant. For $650 at the time for lighting charging handle and enlarged mag release was what got me. Then I fitted Vltor ak buffer tube and Troy alpha rail real easy. Also has Ultimak gas tube, Alg flat bow trigger and Krebs safety. These guns are not only 100% american made (good or bad for some) but they have concentric barrels and tag teamed with Ultimak tube (with vent holes only) make it great host rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Yeah if you want budget, get a smith inspected WASR. They should inspect the rivets, trunnion alignment, front sight and rear sight alignment, etc. Rivets are easy to inspect, no deformation of the receiver, it should not be possible to slide a piece of paper up under the head of the rivet. Should you still want a folding stock, the "wire" side folding stocks that are Romanian will bolt on stupid easy to a WASR. It'll give a WASR a good balance but you may decide you want a rubber pad for it. I use a US made GP-25 pad with mine (They come with a handy velcro attachment piece.). Pad was like 20 bucks or something. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LuPiN8oR 333 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) If i had that much coin to throw at an ak i would be lookin for a used arsenal. Not long ago prices had come down to 900$ or so for a new factory side folder. Edited July 10, 2016 by Lupin8or Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I have one of the original first gen Arsenal SAM-7's. Head and shoulders above all of the other variants I own. I paid $545.00 NIB 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DPHArms 12 Posted July 19, 2016 Report Share Posted July 19, 2016 I would save up a few more coins for one of these. uf.png http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/SAM7UF.html Agree! Yeah if you want budget, get a smith inspected WASR. They should inspect the rivets, trunnion alignment, front sight and rear sight alignment, etc. Rivets are easy to inspect, no deformation of the receiver, it should not be possible to slide a piece of paper up under the head of the rivet. Should you still want a folding stock, the "wire" side folding stocks that are Romanian will bolt on stupid easy to a WASR. It'll give a WASR a good balance but you may decide you want a rubber pad for it. I use a US made GP-25 pad with mine (They come with a handy velcro attachment piece.). Pad was like 20 bucks or something. Love this! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted July 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 OK, so after some searching the net, I found that CenterFire Systems has the Vepr X39 for $699 so I bought it and waiting for it to arrive... www.centerfiresystems.com Get them while you can..... Thanks again guys... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 https://youtu.be/FcTRirjTBkA Crap! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 (edited) Crap! I wonder why the bolt was hanging up? The barrel heating up and changing poa does not surprise me. I had an sks that did the same. It was only accurate (minute of man) up to 50', when hot. What causes that? Lack of even barrel heating? Edited July 28, 2016 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 No one thinks he should get a Saiga? I just finished converting mine a couple days ago and it turned out great. They can still be found, just not as easily as before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted July 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 https://youtu.be/FcTRirjTBkA Crap! That is what I thought and heard YOT. I had a Saiga 308 that I converted, will not do it to this one, this is staying in the safe so I wont be shooting it for now, the same with the PTR91. I got to get them while I can, later may be too late, next on the list ammo! I'll post pics after I get it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) https://youtu.be/FcTRirjTBkA Crap! That is what I thought and heard YOT. I had a Saiga 308 that I converted, will not do it to this one, this is staying in the safe so I wont be shooting it for now, the same with the PTR91. I got to get them while I can, later may be too late, next on the list ammo! I'll post pics after I get it... I got 4500+/- rounds out a Hi-Point 995 before it need to go back to be factory rebuilt. Then another 1500 after I got it back, then sold it. Maybe I.O. AK's should be priced less than HPs. Edited July 29, 2016 by YOT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 (edited) Crap! That is what I thought and heard YOT. I had a Saiga 308 that I converted, will not do it to this one, this is staying in the safe so I wont be shooting it for now, the same with the PTR91. I got to get them while I can, later may be too late, next on the list ammo! I'll post pics after I get it... I got 4500+/- rounds out a Hi-Point 995 before it need to go back to be factory rebuilt. Then another 1500 after I got it back, then sold it. Maybe I.O. AK's should be priced less than HPs. If the cost of ammo exceeds the cost of the gun, before it breaks, it's paid for itself, IMHO. Edited July 29, 2016 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Crap! That is what I thought and heard YOT. I had a Saiga 308 that I converted, will not do it to this one, this is staying in the safe so I wont be shooting it for now, the same with the PTR91. I got to get them while I can, later may be too late, next on the list ammo! I'll post pics after I get it... I got 4500+/- rounds out a Hi-Point 995 before it need to go back to be factory rebuilt. Then another 1500 after I got it back, then sold it. Maybe I.O. AK's should be priced less than HPs. If the cost of ammo exceeds the cost of the gun, before it breaks, it's paid for itself, IMHO. 1666 rounds of 7.62x39 sure doesn't come anywhere close to costing as much as an I.O. With shipping and tax more than $700 is coming out of your pocket. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 No one thinks he should get a Saiga? I love my Saigas. But the cost and quality of the Veprs is leaps and bounds above a Saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DPHArms 12 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Look forward to seeing photos when you get it in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
308SAIGA 55 Posted August 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2016 OK so I went and picked this thing up today and here are the pics of both rifles.... The VEPR has a rich dark wood on it, and I was so happy to see it in person... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DPHArms 12 Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 OK so I went and picked this thing up today and here are the pics of both rifles.... The VEPR has a rich dark wood on it, and I was so happy to see it in person... Love this! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rastamanila 313 Posted August 29, 2016 Report Share Posted August 29, 2016 Norinco is available in my country. What are those like? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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