menace667 194 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Apparently he was using a SKS that was about 70 years old. Seems a substandard shooter from the Army was capable of sniper level shooting with a rifle that wasn't exactly made for that purpose. Hmmm.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Armsguide is trying to say it is a Saiga. https://thearmsguide.com/8811/reports-ak-74-dallas-shooting/ Photo looks awfully fishing with no blast damage or blood from a 1lb charge at close range so I find it slightly stupid but AKOU has already started spreading it as fact so who knows if that seed will take Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 "Johnson used a SKS rifle and a handgun in the attack, multiple law enforcement sources told NBC News"- this is from a NBC news report. Seems we still know very little for a fact. I'm with you though as I have detonated blocks of c4 and it makes a nice sized mess and I'm not believing a weapon in close proximity would survive unscathed like the one in the picture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) I'm kind of surprised by the amount of "information control" being used. My guess is that the Dallas PD is doing a great job controlling the crime scene and info. Good on them. If they used a craymore style explosive device, parts of the room may have been spared, IMHO. I have no experience with explosives, btw. I don't have any problem with hundreds of bullets flying, in a confined space, with a murderer. He could have walked out, alive. Edited July 10, 2016 by Sim_Player Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sjgusmc21 850 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Well said! I love clay-mores...just make sure you read the instructions first.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) I have seen things in close proximity to high explosives survive remarkably intact. This is just a picture of a Saiga. I can't tell you if this is the rifle he used. This picture proves nothing either way. The fact that it was reported as both an AR15 and an SKS by "official" sources means nothing. Most people are incredibly ignorant about firearms. Even a lot of cops. I see so many people with no knowledge jumping to conclusions. When I saw the initial reports that it was an SKS I found that hard to believe. It didn't make sense. But that didn't make it false. A Saiga makes more sense to me. But the fact that it makes more sense to me doesn't make it true. The Saiga does match the blurry images taken from the videos of the shooting. The curved mag and the rearward placement of the optic both stand out in the pictures. I see many claims that the initial reports of multiple shooters in elevated positions must be true and that the official reports of a single shooter at ground level must be false based on the initial reports. How many of you have heard gunfire in an urban environment? How many of the witnesses had ever heard gunfire in an urban environment? The echoes off buildings are very deceiving. I don't know for sure what happened. Making assumptions and jumping to conclusions and pointing fingers doesn't help anything. Edited July 10, 2016 by Darth Saigus 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Armsguide is trying to say it is a Saiga. https://thearmsguide.com/8811/reports-ak-74-dallas-shooting/ Photo looks awfully fishing with no blast damage or blood from a 1lb charge at close range so I find it slightly stupid but AKOU has already started spreading it as fact so who knows if that seed will take With an explosive charge designed not to produce shrapnel the damage to life and property is caused by by the blast itself over pressure/concussion. Very little if any gross physical damage (wounds/blood) unless very close to blast. I doubt that the police would use a bomb that would endanger themselves and others with shrapnel or incendiary properties. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) It amazes me how none of these departments seem to have one solid knowledgeable gun in guy to come amongst the gun-ignorant and do very basic investigation of what was used. Nearly any halfassed gun guy can tell an AR from a SKS from an AK. You would think that with a firearm being one of the most feared things to come in contact with as an officer that they would pay more attention to how to identify each basic platform. Edited July 10, 2016 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 The SKS makes sense. Both my son and I were hearing the audio the night of the incident and the first thing he told me was "that's not an AR, the reset is too long". Also, I recall an eye witness that they interviewed say that the shooter was dropping ammo while trying to reload and again, that didn't make sense if it was an AR. However, there was another guy that they also interviewed that said it was an AR "clear as day". So in the end, a ton of folks in this country can't ID a firearm in a moment of stress and the media absolutely can't ID any rifle as anything other than an AR and any handgun as anything other than a Glock. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) The SKS makes sense. Both my son and I were hearing the audio the night of the incident and the first thing he told me was "that's not an AR, the reset is too long". Also, I recall an eye witness that they interviewed say that the shooter was dropping ammo while trying to reload and again, that didn't make sense if it was an AR. However, there was another guy that they also interviewed that said it was an AR "clear as day". So in the end, a ton of folks in this country can't ID a firearm in a moment of stress and the media absolutely can't ID any rifle as anything other than an AR and any handgun as anything other than a Glock. Bushmasters and Glocks. Those are the choice firearms of domestic terrorists, all of them. Edited July 10, 2016 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) It wasn't an AR or an SKS. Pretty sure now from multiple sources that it was the Saiga AK74 pictured, hence it's confusion with an AR. Just the Media running their mouths and going with anything that comes their way in information without any confirmation, someone said SKS & they ran with it, someone said AR & they ran with it. They've generally zero clue WTF they're talking about within the first 24hrs. But boy do they talk anyways, they have to fill that air time with something. Edited July 10, 2016 by ChileRelleno Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 Sounds like the media need to go back to school and watch more 1980's Chuck Norris Movies. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I think a lot of the early reporting was based on the picture that came out of the guy open carrying the AR and they ran with it as long as they could Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bobthetomato 15 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I hope he didn't weld two stripper clips together. Than it would really be a high capacity clip............ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Weird. A Century-converted Saiga with Magpul, US Palm, Primary Arms, and Tapco parts. Is it just me or does it sound like they're trying to purposely get some big names associated with this? Edited July 10, 2016 by W8lifter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,218 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 It wasn't an AR or an SKS. Pretty sure now from multiple sources that it was the Saiga AK74 pictured, hence it's confusion with an AR. Just the Media running their mouths and going with anything that comes their way in information without any confirmation, someone said SKS & they ran with it, someone said AR & they ran with it. They've generally zero clue WTF they're talking about within the first 24hrs. But boy do they talk anyways, they have to fill that air time with something. So if he used a Saiga 5.45, then he used a banned gun with banned ammo. Let's ban some more stuff. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted July 10, 2016 Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 (edited) Why does our media run wild with bullshit? Are there not some sort of inside rules or regulations that require newsroom confirmation before some very smart, well educated, very stupid talking head spouts off bullshit? It really pisses me off when some air head runs there mouths off about subjects WE, (I) know much more about. Are they being DIRECTED to speak crap? And if sosss, for what good purpose? Dunno fur sures soss there. Edited by HB. Added one letter to one word. Added to one sentence. Split into two, (2) paragraphs for easier reading for those who give a hoot. Edited July 13, 2016 by HB of CJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
menace667 194 Posted July 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2016 I only posted because it said the source was the PD itself, so I assumed it reliable as opposed to some speculation or bystander "I seen it" type thing. Media at one time did have sped respect and thought that only correct information had a place being reported but in modern times it is all about ratings, so basically the news is now a bad version of reality tv where they just say random shit about real life and hope to get it right eventually.... Or not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted July 11, 2016 Report Share Posted July 11, 2016 It wasn't an AR or an SKS. Pretty sure now from multiple sources that it was the Saiga AK74 pictured, hence it's confusion with an AR. Just the Media running their mouths and going with anything that comes their way in information without any confirmation, someone said SKS & they ran with it, someone said AR & they ran with it. They've generally zero clue WTF they're talking about within the first 24hrs. But boy do they talk anyways, they have to fill that air time with something. So if he used a Saiga 5.45, then he used a banned gun with banned ammo. Let's ban some more stuff. That is not a convenient truth, so it will not get any attention. Most people will never hear that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) r It wasn't an AR or an SKS. Pretty sure now from multiple sources that it was the Saiga AK74 pictured, hence it's confusion with an AR. Just the Media running their mouths and going with anything that comes their way in information without any confirmation, someone said SKS & they ran with it, someone said AR & they ran with it. They've generally zero clue WTF they're talking about within the first 24hrs. But boy do they talk anyways, they have to fill that air time with something. If it was a Saiga, maybe it was a member of this forum.What a scary thought Edited July 12, 2016 by jerry52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Hmmm, considering the number of Saiga rifles vs membership here I'd think the odds pretty low. But even if he was what's scary about it, I mean what have you to fear from any random member? Nothing. Extra Fed scrutiny, hell, we're a Russian Assault Weapons website, we're already heavily watched and our names on lists. Guaranteed! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Photoguy 202 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 In the zoomed-in video put out by a film crew that shows the fatal confrontation between the shooter and officer, I had been thinking a Saiga was being used due to the amount of lead being discharged into the surrounding concrete. The spread looked a bit too large to be from an SKS. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 SKS NOT a Saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DLT 1,646 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Guys, you all know it was a Bushmaster SKS made by Eugene Kalashnakov designed to kill 47 people in 15 seconds. It was even more lethal because he used Glock clips in it. We need to accept the media reports and stop the hate. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) SKS NOT a Saiga.WAS a Saiga. According to this. http://www.wsj.com/articles/dallas-chief-david-brown-urges-protesters-to-join-police-force-1468273328?mod=rss_US_News The usual online or gunshow bullshit of course. Point being, reports are conflicted. I'm betting it was a Saiga. Edited July 12, 2016 by Darth Saigus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) Odds are it is a an SKS just due to the sheer numbers and acceptance of the rifle as being a good buy for so long. Seen nothing with any clarity/reliability so it is all guesses until we know otherwise. Will say the killed/wounded ratio is pretty high for a 5.45 but that's nothing approaching proof. Does seem to "sound" like a x39 going off but again aint in the in the know loop. Maybe it was a Saiga and they just dont want it out there for political reasons. Either way whatever it was, it was effective. Edited July 12, 2016 by Rhodes1968 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 (edited) There were some graphic images that showed his body lying in a pile of rubble, the weapon next to him looked like a saiga with a tapco mag, Magpul Zhukov stock, the factory handguard and a scope similar in shape to an ACOG (but I don't think it was). EDIT: https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3683606/amp/Have-photos-dead-body-Dallas-sniper-leaked-Images-posted-online-appear-cop-killer-Micah-Johnson-moments-taken-police-robot.html?client=ms-android-verizon# Edited July 12, 2016 by Heartbreaker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 IF the photos are real, time will tell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 Damn, c'mon people there are pics of the rifle and main stream publications reporting the police say it was a Saiga 5.45. The lamestream media had it wrong, as they usually do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted July 12, 2016 Report Share Posted July 12, 2016 If it was the Saiga pictured, I guess that settles the whole debate around 5.45 being a two-shot rabbit-dropper. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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