Specialblend07 3 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 So with my new Saiga coming in I was going to buy some bulk ammo. Anything I should specifically look for to ensure the gun will shoot? Just a fun play gun, was thinking #00 buck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HB of CJ 1,263 Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Sellot and Bellet, (horribly misspelled) has a cool hot 2.75 inch 12 pellet OO buck load. Works fine in our "Betty Bucker" S12. That is her name. Look out for your shoulder though. Not a light load. Hope this helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Also, does anybody still make magazine couplers? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 So with my new Saiga coming in I was going to buy some bulk ammo. Anything I should specifically look for to ensure the gun will shoot? Just a fun play gun, was thinking #00 buck Look at Velocity, and shot Weight. If it's in the green zone on this chart, you are golden. If it is in the Pink zone of shame (AKA "Tactical" "Law Enforcement", etc.) don't buy it. p.s. OO Buck weighs 1/8 oz per pellet. Thus the standard 9 pellet OOB 1325 FPS field load is a 1 1/8 oz load. Reduced "tactical" 8 pellet weenie loads, often have less power than some standard anti-quail shells. The following things are IRRELEVANT> How tall or short the "brass" is. The diameter of the shot. i.e. #7, #8, buckshot, slug, bag of glitter. Overall length of shell may matter if you plan on using a drum. Roll crimp shells tend to be longer, and the roll is more prone to damage in storage. If you want the near perfect HD load, it's this: http://www.hornady.com/store/12-Ga-VX-4-Buckshot/ * * the asterisk, is a small logo symbolizing the true nature of internet ballistic experts. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Sellier and Bellot also makes a max dram 4 buck that is pretty much guaranteed to cycle. Never had Winchester Super-X malfunction either. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 It makes more sense to me to establish a baseline load for that weapon as-is. Try the following, if you want. It will be educational. Winchester Universal 100 round pack Federal Multi-purpose 100 round pack Winchester AA 1200 fps 1-1/8 oz Winchester AA 1250 fps 1-1/8 oz Winchester AA 1300 fps 1-1/8 oz Winchester Super X 1330 fps 1-1/4 oz At minimum, it should run the Super X if nothing has been done to it and the weapon is as it should be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 (edited) I hate to do this but would any of these cycle properly? I can't find the weight on all of them but the FPS looks high, so i'd assume they're low(er) weight? That Sellier stuff is no where to be found http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-12ga-ammo-12gabuckshot00fiocchihv-250 http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-12ga-ammo-12ga2-3-4buck00rioroyal-250 Edited September 13, 2016 by Specialblend07 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 SGammo sells bulk S&B 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Yeah they're not showing anything in stock... I can get the Royal Buck though if thats a good round Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Ok, I ordered the 00 royal buck stuff. Made the executive decision.... Here is one thing I was curious about... I saw a drum mag that was cut so you could see the shells. I have a few extra mags and was curious if anyone has ever cut viewing windows in a stick mag? I'd think as long as you didn't cut too much the shell/spring/guide should hang up? Is this true? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 It's been done a few different ways. IMO the SGM mags would be a good starting point. Cut off the ribs, and have a sheet of polycarbonate~ .125" thick. Then router out your windows and glue on the poly carb. No room for dirt to get in, and the window gives back the strength you cut away. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 It's been done a few different ways. IMO the SGM mags would be a good starting point. Cut off the ribs, and have a sheet of polycarbonate~ .125" thick. Then router out your windows and glue on the poly carb. No room for dirt to get in, and the window gives back the strength you cut away. That's a great idea actually. I have a TON of lexan at my cabin. I'll be trying this weekend and report back with pictures. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 There are also some solid lexan SGM and AGP mags around. The guy from SGM said that it wore out molds making them, so he won't do another run. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Ok, I ordered the 00 royal buck stuff. Made the executive decision.... Here is one thing I was curious about... I saw a drum mag that was cut so you could see the shells. I have a few extra mags and was curious if anyone has ever cut viewing windows in a stick mag? I'd think as long as you didn't cut too much the shell/spring/guide should hang up? Is this true? Rolled crimp loads can be problematic. It will not take long to find out if it will be an issue, especially in a drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 So I shot the gun over the weekend. Super fun but after a few mags while the gun was still hot I was getting FTE's almost every round or every other. First few mags it was perfect, but seems like the gun gets hot and struggled. I had it on position 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 26, 2016 Report Share Posted September 26, 2016 So I shot the gun over the weekend. Super fun but after a few mags while the gun was still hot I was getting FTE's almost every round or every other. First few mags it was perfect, but seems like the gun gets hot and struggled. I had it on position 2 If you didn't pay attention to what specific ammo you fed it, that doesn't tell you or any of us anything. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 I hate to do this but would any of these cycle properly? I can't find the weight on all of them but the FPS looks high, so i'd assume they're low(er) weight? That Sellier stuff is no where to be found http://www.bulkammo.com/bulk-12ga-ammo-12ga2-3-4buck00rioroyal-250 Ok, I ordered the 00 royal buck stuff. Made the executive decision.... So I shot the gun over the weekend. Super fun but after a few mags while the gun was still hot I was getting FTE's almost every round or every other. First few mags it was perfect, but seems like the gun gets hot and struggled. I had it on position 2 If you didn't pay attention to what specific ammo you fed it, that doesn't tell you or any of us anything. It was Royal Buck 00 buck shot as posted in the link. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Very first picture in your link is the end of the box. 9 pellets of OOB @ 1345 FPS, 1/8 oz per pellet of OOB = 1 1/8 oz. The standard field load of 00B is 9 pellets 1325 FPS, so this claims to be a tad spicier. I think you can see where that would fit on the chart. To put it another way, that is ammo which absolutely should run in any saiga or vepr reliably with our without tweaking. So that means either the ammo is defective or you have probably some feed issue, such as sticky magazines, or obstructed gas ports. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 27, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Very first picture in your link is the end of the box. 9 pellets of OOB @ 1345 FPS, 1/8 oz per pellet of OOB = 1 1/8 oz. The standard field load of 00B is 9 pellets 1325 FPS, so this claims to be a tad spicier. I think you can see where that would fit on the chart. To put it another way, that is ammo which absolutely should run in any saiga or vepr reliably with our without tweaking. So that means either the ammo is defective or you have probably some feed issue, such as sticky magazines, or obstructed gas ports. Thanks, yeah I read reviews on the ammo and it seems everyone else runs it fine. The gas setting being on 2 shouldn't cause this issue correct? When I clean it i'll check the ports. Is there a good thread as to how to check that anywhere? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 27, 2016 Report Share Posted September 27, 2016 Many. I'll now give you the advice you should have. Search. Now I'll tell you how. The site's internal search sucks. Instead use google. Like this " site:forum.siaga12.com [your search terms]" http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Aforum.saiga12.com+check+my+ports Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Check the ports with the block still on, I can only see one and it appears to be full of stuff. When I pulled the gas plug out there was a ton of gunk behind it... Looks like I'll be cleaning it this week Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Solution found. I've never had that level of fouling, but some guns seem to get it for some people. Looks like either your gun or your ammo was prone to produce or collect crud. Bend a small size paper clip so that you can poke around. The ports are angled, so that they are hard to see, but if you can poke a wire or dentist's pick in there, you can clean them all out. You should be able to poke the wire through 4 distinct ports. Some older guns had only 3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 yeah, mine seems a crud gatherer too. Walmart ammo probably didn't help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted September 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Cleaned the ports, I could only see two but with some poking around I now manage to have 4 that I can clearly see with a flashlight... Will give range report next weekend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 I predict different results. What was the crud you found? Plastic or carbon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specialblend07 3 Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Ran 2 clips without issues, then FTEs started back. Switched to gas position 1 and ran hard until I ran out of ammo... Looks like I may have fixed it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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