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#1 evlblkwpnz

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 06:32 AM

Just saw this on another forum. Atlantic Firearms has a few of the Kalashnikov USA Saiga-12 copies and will start testing soon. I just realized that Atlantic is no longer a vendor here (appears that way, at least) and if there is an issue with me posting this info, please simply delete it. I thought it was good news for the community. If they are around $900 or less and decent, it should be a great deal for a Saiga 12 that doesn't need to be unsporterized. Let's hope...


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:21 PM

Looking forward to any feedback on them.

 

if someone was having a Evl build done  - would it be better to start with a russian S12 sporter or one of these?


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Posted 24 May 2017 - 08:58 PM

If the metalurgy of the US is equal to the Russian, then the US would be a better starting point since no conversion related work is required. There would be a reduction in price for wpnz grade and evl grade builds.


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Posted 05 June 2017 - 05:26 PM

How do you determine if it is up to spec? Simply hammering a bunch of turkey loads through it, until something breaks?

 

Or something a little more precise such as taking the parts to a welding shop (or heat treat facility) with xray and rockwell hardness testers? 

 

I bet kissing each part with a hardness file set like this: https://www.amazon.c...t/dp/B001CTI7TE would be informative. I know I've seen sets for about half that somewhere or other too, if you want to do some quick searching. That could tell you things that a few hundred dollars in ammo wouldn't. Though, I am sure you would want to do heavy ammo testing too.


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Posted 05 June 2017 - 10:11 PM

If it is a turd it won't take long to figure it out by firing it. People who buy guns and don't shoot them much or at all have allowed many manufacturers to simply throw something at the wall, see if it sticks, and get away with it since most buyers will not run things hard or hard enough to break them. Hopefully, they are building for shooters.


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Posted 18 August 2017 - 09:01 AM

Will a saiga 12 adjustable gas system work on the ks12?

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 07:38 AM

It looks like the standard model has a cloned Saiga 12 gas system and there is another with a non-adjustable gas system like the Vepr 12.


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Posted 20 August 2017 - 03:44 AM

Guys,
I have Gunfix'r's adjustable gas plugs in both my S-12, and S-410.

They seem to provide all the range of adjustment that you'd ever need.

I've never handled a VEPR, so don't know if the plugs will fit and work on the VEPR or not.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:59 PM

Vepr doesn't have adjustable gas regulator. If I were calling the shots, that is the first thing that would change about the Vepr 12.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 02:51 PM

May as well make it self adjusting. It would require only 2-4 more parts for the gun. A poppet and a spring, and a second poppet and spring ideally. Adjustment screws would be completely optional. Though you could have a ramped and detented preload adjuster, kinda like old motorcycle shocks. Tune your gun in by setting it to a click, then forget it forever.


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Posted 22 August 2017 - 07:09 PM

I wish I could dig around in the Saiga 12 prototypes and see what great ideas were never refined enough or were too expensive to make it to production. There may be an awesome gas block in there somewhere.


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 10:51 AM

Tried contacting Kalashnikov USA regarding parts and magazines. Been a couple weeks and no response. Unfortunately, looks like Kalashnikov USAs customer service is based in Russia wacko.png 



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Posted 08 September 2017 - 02:02 PM

Carolina Shooters has many parts at accessories for the KS12.  Everything "Saiga12" will fit the KS12, including our 6-position manual gas plug regulator.


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Posted 18 October 2017 - 01:08 AM

There are a few videos of the KS-12. Apparently no BHO, just a notch in the safety.
Seems decent enough right out of the box. Maybe I should turn my S12 into one.
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Posted 19 October 2017 - 10:50 PM

I really hope they make one with an AK front end like the 433s and Veprs. It might just be a cosmetic thing but to me it does look a whole lot better and from what I remember converting the front end was hundreds of dollars in parts alone.


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