twinhairdryers 2 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 so, what is this thing for 600 bucks? Cheetah Model CH12HF. from centerfire systems. looks sorta like a Saiga or the Turkish ones. Must a re-badged something or another but can't figure it out. Comes with the pistol grip. https://www.centerfiresystems.com/p-9511-cheetah-model-ch12hf-12ga-shotgun-with-19-barrel-with-free-sgm-tactical-forearm-and-muzzle-brake.aspx?keyword=sg0035&utm_source=Centerfire+Systems&utm_campaign=12d8e4010c-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_06_21&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_a17d16ad3c-12d8e4010c-128126093 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Looks like the DDI-12 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
libertarian 108 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Looks just like a chinese knock off of a chinese knockoff of a Saiga 12 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
David Mark 2,452 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 Under Specificatios: • Used to be called "DDI12" Reading is fundamental. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mac66 12 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 (edited) It's a DDI 12. Looking around the internet is looks like DDI 12s are running around $600 by itself if you can find one in stock. this one with free shipping, free forearm, muzzle comp and 4 hi cap mags looks like a good deal. Reviews on the DDI 12 are generally positive. It has some features I like better than my early production Saiga like the sights, left side charging handle and safety not to mention that you don't have to convert it. I handled one at a shop a couple months ago and it seemed to be build as well as my Saiga if that is saying anything. Considering you can't even find a Vepr in stock anymore even at a couple hundred bucks more, this might be the only game in town for this type a shotgun. Edited June 22, 2017 by mac66 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 The Cheetah 12 is a DDI 12, a new importer (SDS Imports) had to change the name, but it's the same weapon. Many Saiga 12 parts will fit like handguards and muzzle brakes. You can also put a M4 stock on with no modifications (just parts). It is a good option for the price given that VEPRs are now banned and the Kalashnikov USA shotgun is 800+. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 22, 2017 Report Share Posted June 22, 2017 I think I would prefer to pay $200 more for a version that I don't have to worry about breaking when used with full power shells. Also $800 for the Kusa gun vs $600 + ~ $150 in 922® parts is a more accurate comparison of the costs. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mac66 12 Posted June 23, 2017 Report Share Posted June 23, 2017 I think I would prefer to pay $200 more for a version that I don't have to worry about breaking when used with full power shells. Also $800 for the Kusa gun vs $600 + ~ $150 in 922® parts is a more accurate comparison of the costs. Except you don't have to convert the DDI12/Cheetah. It already comes with just about everything you need including hi-cap mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted June 28, 2017 Report Share Posted June 28, 2017 And a spare carrier? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FL Thunder Stick 21 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Does it look like this? DDI-12, a Saiga clone, at Centerfire Systems for $439.99!!!!!! Get one before they are gone! Here is my thread on this gun over on Glock Talk: https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/my-new-ddi-12-saiga-clone-awesome.1668824/ I LOVE IT!!!!!!! Alan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think I would prefer to pay $200 more for a version that I don't have to worry about breaking when used with full power shells. Also $800 for the Kusa gun vs $600 + ~ $150 in 922® parts is a more accurate comparison of the costs. I'll stay away from the copies too. There's a REASON they copied the Saiga. They recognized a great gun, and ripped off the design and cut some corners to make a quick buck. It's the Chinese way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 World's Fastest Land Animal: Well... somebody had to, right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 World's Fastest Land Animal: Well... somebody had to, right? I guess you've never seen a hood rat steal a purse before. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think I would prefer to pay $200 more for a version that I don't have to worry about breaking when used with full power shells. Also $800 for the Kusa gun vs $600 + ~ $150 in 922® parts is a more accurate comparison of the costs. I'll stay away from the copies too. There's a REASON they copied the Saiga. They recognized a great gun, and ripped off the design and cut some corners to make a quick buck. It's the Chinese way. K-Usa guns aren't chinese. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 I think I would prefer to pay $200 more for a version that I don't have to worry about breaking when used with full power shells. Also $800 for the Kusa gun vs $600 + ~ $150 in 922® parts is a more accurate comparison of the costs. I'll stay away from the copies too. There's a REASON they copied the Saiga. They recognized a great gun, and ripped off the design and cut some corners to make a quick buck. It's the Chinese way. K-Usa guns aren't chinese. Never said they were. It IS the Chinese way, along with others. It's much easier to rip off someone else's design than spend $$$ designing something yourself. With little to no R&D costs, they can easily undercut the original designer. That's why we have patent law.here in the US. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
saltydecimator 482 Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 I think I would prefer to pay $200 more for a version that I don't have to worry about breaking when used with full power shells. Also $800 for the Kusa gun vs $600 + ~ $150 in 922® parts is a more accurate comparison of the costs. Except you don't have to convert the DDI12/Cheetah. It already comes with just about everything you need including hi-cap mags. except the metal its composed of isnt ideal, and like gunfun said, bolts and carriers have been known to fail, and reallllllly prematurely Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 25, 2017 Report Share Posted July 25, 2017 Also whole we know that ddi used enough U.S.A. made parts to ensure 922® compliance, we don't actually know that the same it's true for the current importer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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