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Yeah they basically act like a patent troll and shut down items that are not covered by their patents.. They are based in TX and it is basically impossible to win against someone based in TX.

 

I do often question how slidefire managed to stay out of trouble with ATF since my contact suggested any wide spread sales would result in a reclassification..

 

I don't know how grandfathering would work.. Most likely it would be like the Akins device.

 

As in you must stamp it, but the stamp is free?

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it should be a B misdermeanor for "uncontrolled fire". then we dont need a law for a bullshit part. then thye acn be right up your ass for nothing.

 

I myself, can fire most rifles in this manner, ACCURATELY without a slidefire stock.

 

make it illegal. "indiscriminant" or "uncontrolled discharge" of a firearm. B misdermeanor

 

simple

 

uncontrolled fire. easy enough,. dont take your guns you get a fine and chrome bracelets, see you in court.

 

this is just an excuse for a whole wave of stupid ignorant shit to happen.

 

oh wait, that law is already there....hmmmm....who dropped the ball

 

George Washingston fully intende for the Americans to be ARMED when we won our war.

 

Dont let an idiot like this take that away from us. Stand firm, stand strong, and dont back down And most of all

 

stay united.

 

I am sorry that the world is an evil place.

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Yeah they basically act like a patent troll and shut down items that are not covered by their patents.. They are based in TX and it is basically impossible to win against someone based in TX.

 

I do often question how slidefire managed to stay out of trouble with ATF since my contact suggested any wide spread sales would result in a reclassification..

 

I don't know how grandfathering would work.. Most likely it would be like the Akins device.

 

As in you must stamp it, but the stamp is free?

 

 

Nope, no stamp.. Turn them in postage paid, possession after a date is illegal.

 

Maybe they will allow registration which would be awesome as it would be the single largest addition to the NFA in ever... But I doubt it would happen.

 

As for congress it is more likely that the bill will snowball to include the Mexican border wall, an obamacare repeal and a ban on magazines over one round, which will result in it failing to pick up enough votes to get through either side.

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Oh. Right. I was remembering the USAS 12 stuff.

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Yeah in the case of the USAS-12 the DD registry is not closed to additions. So there are issues.

 

IF... IF, an amnesty is announced it would likely be for all machine guns.. SO that could be interesting.

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I don't know why people are thinking that bumpskis are a trade for suppressors. Nothing leads to that conclusion.

 

If a person is a felon for owning a shitty piece of plastic that slides back and forth they may as well make their own suppressor. In for a penny, in for a pound

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The Antis are NOT in the business of trading.. They offer total confiscation and then offer to meet in the middle of only taking half the stuff now and the other half later.. Then say how they agreed to a compromise and how the other side is unreasonable.

 

The best bet is to amend their bills to be totally toxic to their side.. Add border walls and obamacare repeals.

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Any time that bunch comes up with something you hear "give them an inch, they'll take a mile." That's not how they operate. We give them an inch, they take another inch, and another until they get their mile.

 

My concern with banning that stock is that you've given them a foothold by allowing the banning of an accessory. What's the next step after that, slings, scopes? You've allowed just about anything to come to the table then.

 

Best we can hope is that the manufacturer decides that it's a good idea to cease making the product to save face.

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Best we can hope is that the manufacturer decides that it's a good idea to cease making the product to save face.

 

I have not been left with much hope for rationality with cottle.

Even when faced with clear irrefutable evidence of prior art he acts as if he was the only person to ever invent anything ever.

 

His statement was if someone else had invented it they would have marketed them.. Failing to understand that others could see this eventuality coming almost a decade out.

 

Most likely ATF will just do a reclassification on them and that will be the end of it.

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I agree gunfun. GOA is the no compromise and i am a paying member. NRA is a bunch of fudds willing to kick whatever over if it means they can keep their wood stock hunting rifles and shotguns. cushy lifetime lobbying jobs.

 

Hey Gun, you forgot to list very well paid!

Maybe think about not renewing membership?

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calling the NRA a bunch of "Fudds" is beyond ignorant

 

BH

You mean like a pot calling the kettle black???

 

Sorry to say the NRA does some but will backstab anything not a wood stock hunting rifle or shotgun.

 

The NRA on my history has backed all of the 2A restrictions.

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I would assume you would know thats not true.

 

But apparently you are ignorant of all the things the NRA endorses, supports and teaches.

 

BH  

Example: (NRA evil black rifle competition)

http://competitions.nra.org/how-to-get-started/high-power-rifle-competition.aspx

 

There's lots more,, Eddie Eagle, etc. ...but I'm sure if someone's mind isn't rusted shut they could look it up.

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I would assume you would know thats not true.

 

But apparently you are ignorant of all the things the NRA endorses, supports and teaches.

 

BH

I am an Eddie Eagle volunteer, but I refuse to be a paying member.

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what are you guys talking about?

 

did you not hear me?

 

make uncontrolled fire illegal. blam B midermeanor, confiscate the weapon you do it with at the time, fine, see you later, over and done with.

 

what part of that doesnt make sense?

 

I can bump fire most large caliber semi-auto rifles onto a dinner plate at 25 yards without some stupid stock. whats gonna stop me?

 

THAT will.

 

B misd. take the gun im doing it with and 1200 dollar fine, see you in court AS I SAID.

 

oh and i can do it with a pistol too....

 

all of this AGAIN is quick reaching pointing and back stabbing that makes no goddamn sense at all.

 

make laws that make sense. ban NOTHING

 

...what about the 50 pounds of tannerite he didnt put in a trash can or under the stage? HMMM? LETS BAN FERTILZER TOO. AND MODEL ROCKETS. AND ACID, oh AND LETS BAN THIS AND THAT.

 

HOW ABOUT LETS BAN IDIOTS AND SICK FUCKS?  why not look at this from a logical and close point of view instead of "oh oh" and "no no" points of view.

 

this guy bashed the windows out 20 minutes before he shot himself. uhmmmmm......yeh theres that too.... pussies

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I mean , dont misundertand me folks. I am grateful for public servants and such, but they mosty are just that. socialist workers. we cant expect those folks to just throw themselves on the fire at will as if its a job requirement, I mean, come on really now.

 

really it comes down to me and you all this person is not right, this relative is sick, this person is way off. and i am not talking about a spy big brother society. this is just plain practical thinking.

 

just us in this one forum? we are pretty powerful if we all keep our eyes open and have a set of balls each.

 

I am not trading my goddamn holy american rights for some sicko.

 

end of story.

 

lets figure out how to mend this as best as possible and move forward, is my vote. im pretty angry right now.

 

why should I give up anything?

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Uninterrupted full auto with a burst from a different weapon in the middle of the that full auto string. Sounds like two shooters, for sure. Had it been an echo it would have been doing it the entire time.

Link to the video or audio?

 

I heard some audio of the gunfire slowing down and knew it wasn't a true full-auto.

 

My daughter's best friend was in the crowd. Her mother had just gone back to the hotel.

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I have seen first hand info from one of the first responders who was actually there, arrived while the guy was still shooting.  He'd been on the wrong end of incoming fire numerous times while in the military and he was confident there was only the one shooter.  FWIW, and I know people are going to choose to believe what they will, but given that friends of mine have traveled to LV to train with the guy, I am inclined to believe him.

 

One of the things that has come out officially, was there was apparently an unarmed hotel security guard patrolling the floor the shooter was on, and when he went towards the sound of the shooting, the nutjob saw him via the cameras he had set up in the hallways, and sent a couple hundred or so rounds his way, and wounded the guard in the leg.  It sounds like no more shots were fired at the crowd after he fired at the guard, and at some point after that he suck started his own gun.  The guard made contact with the responders via either phone or radio and guided them directly to where they were needed, so the response time was honestly about as good as could be hoped for.  It's speculation on my part, but I think that any delay in actually breaching and clearing the shooter's room can be explained by an abundance of caution in approaching a room where the occupant just sent a shitload of rounds through the door and walls into the hallway, and also somewhat less urgency since by then he'd stopped shooting altogether.

 

Basically the shooter behaved true to the usual whackjob shooter pattern, in that as soon as somebody disrupted him, he killed himself.  I'm not sure why so many of them do that rather than fight it out since they are going to die either way, but if they were easy to understand they probably wouldn't be crazy.

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I am sure you are right but the video from the person pulling up to the entrance of the hotel sure sounds like there are two shooters.

I am sure there is an explanation..

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Just a SWAG, but with so many rifles in the room, and many with bipods, who's to say he didn't fire two rifles of two different calibers at the same time?

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Tall buildings with large flat glass surfaces echo sounds in strange ways. Ground level recordings of gunfire in urban settings are not going to be helpful without some serious processing.

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Dangerous slippery Constitutional slope.  All down hill.  While slide fires are kinda non useful nor mostly desirable they are most certainly absolutely protected under the Second Amendment.

 

Example: ...  We, (the guv) will let you stand upon your whatever soap box and talk all you want about space aliens, but you can not say one word about vacuum energy.

 

Example: ...  You can go to what ever church you want and even worship the Devil, but you can not preach one word about the Koran.

 

Example: ...  You can be safe inside your own home from non warrant door smash break ins and illegal searches ... BUT ... if you have even one non censored library book you are in deep shit.

 

Respectfully.  Very dangerous outlawing ANYTHING dealing with Constitutional Rights.  Just me.

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Basically the shooter behaved true to the usual whackjob shooter pattern, in that as soon as somebody disrupted him, he killed himself.  I'm not sure why so many of them do that rather than fight it out since they are going to die either way, but if they were easy to understand they probably wouldn't be crazy.

 

I think it's God saying, "YOU!  GET YOUR BUTT UP HERE RIGHT NOW!  WE GONNA HAVE A TALK!"  And immediately, they suck start the pistol!

 

Plain and simple, I'd hate to be his ass right now!

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