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#31 Ronin38

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:06 AM

How much time passed between the last shot fired and the entry into the room? Enough time for one or two other people to enter or leave? Just curious...


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:53 AM

I asked the same question. This is smells of setup.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 11:54 AM

ISIS claims responsibility, says he was a recent convert and a soldier of Islam.

So was his roomie/girlfriend a Philippino Muslim and recruiter?
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 01:00 PM

I asked the same question. This is smells of setup.

 

Sorry, I missed your earlier post. I also wonder, like the Newtown, CT incident, if we'll ever get accurate reporting of what weapons were used?

Stories are already conflicting between "fully-converted machine gun" and "accessories added to make it shoot faster."  :unsure:


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 01:03 PM

NBC is reporting he wired $100,000 to the Phillipines last week. She was apparently in the Phillipines when the shooting occurred. They started dating in Spring of 2017.

I don't buy any of this story line anymore. No online profile anywhere? No digital fingerprint in this day and age? The only way that happens is if it has been purposely deleted or you live in a shack with no computer, cell phone, or electricity. After reading all the comments of those who knew him, I question if the guy was really the shooter at all, or just the dead body used as a scapegoat. I firmly believe this did not go down as the media and law enforcement are stating. It was either a direct attack on a demographic assumed to be Trump supporters, a foreign sponsored terrorist attack, or a deep state government operation.

I just read what I wrote and even I think it is crazy, but unless some evidence starts surfacing otherwise, I am not seeing any other logical explanation. someone does not kill 59 and injure 560+ without a deep rooted hatred for the victims. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 01:19 PM

Questions:
1) Why did he do it? Does he always bring that many weapons to the hotel room which had a perfect view of the concert that evening, just in case he flipped out over gambling debt?

2) I don't care how many weapons he had in the room or how many he had at home, or how many rounds of ammunition he had between the locations. Completely irrelevant. What weapon(s)/caliber specifically did he use in the massacre? Where were the guns purchased or how acquired, and what modifications were made to them.

3) How was the room secured and how long after the last shots were recorded?

(4) How do you get that many firearms and ammo up to the 32 floor, set up cameras, without being noticed. Cameras are everywhere. Where is the hotel footage of him making multiple trips transporting his arsenal?
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 01:33 PM

All good questions posted so far, I'm n Wait-n-See mode.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 02:02 PM

Well it was an AR after all, so much for my guess.

 

First off we don't know that he did do it until we see something to say for sure.

Weapons bought recently may assume the ammo also but that's a harder paper trail.

They were in 10 suitcases, which believe it or not is not uncommon.

Story keeps changing as usual, just the newsies trying to be first... or not.


Edited by Rhodes1968, 03 October 2017 - 02:08 PM.

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 02:10 PM

Well, two of the guns were AR's, he supposedly had 19 guns in the room.


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 02:28 PM

Yall might fnd this interesting.

Police scanner

https://www.youtube....h?v=UwD2pypWu-E


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 03:45 PM

Did all the bumpfire stocks sell out this fast or did the stores pull them?



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 04:14 PM

ISIS claims responsibility, says he was a recent convert and a soldier of Islam.
So was his roomie/girlfriend a Philippino Muslim and recruiter?


United States is flying her back from the Philippines...Sherrif just announced she is a person of interest also stated gunman wired her over $100K...hmm do I smell muzzie input?
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 04:59 PM

Quote from Rush L show:

“ So law enforcement gathered every detail about this nut in a little over 24 hours. Why is the Russian hacking of election still dragging on?”

Sad day, poor people didnt have a chance. Penned up, the perfect setup for the slaughter. We will never know what was going in his mind. I did like the WH response of now is not the time to talk about gun control.

Hug the the ones you love and tell them you do every chance you get. This only gets bumpier from here
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 06:39 PM

I just read what I wrote and even I think it is crazy, but unless some evidence starts surfacing otherwise, I am not seeing any other logical explanation. someone does not kill 59 and injure 560+ without a deep rooted hatred for the victims. Just my 2 cents.


I was just telling a buddy of mine earlier that something about this whole thing bugs me. (Aside from the fact that some dirt bag murdered 59 people and injured many more.) I can't seem to put my finger on exactly what it is and that might be why it bothers me so much. Something just seems off with this one, but what?

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Posted 03 October 2017 - 07:14 PM

Very sad. True Evil.The target sticks out to me...not just a concert but a country concert. He either has muzzie ties or he is anti Trump..If he was Republican it would have been plastered on fake news for the last 2 days...I find it very interesting that they have said he has hunting and fishing license but have not mentioned voter registration..I find it hard to believe someone with his economic means did not vote. Sometimes its what fake news doesn't report on that gives the best clues...May God bless the victims and thank God for LEO/EMS/FD and all 1st responders.
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Posted 03 October 2017 - 08:47 PM

before I share my .02$ on this, I do want to say this...

 

This is simply awful, and a real tragedy. My heart goes out to all the victims and their families, and my thanks goes out to all the first responders that have to deal with crap like this on a daily basis, no matter how big or small. Events such as this affect us all, in one way or another bigger or smaller. My thoughts and prayers are with each and every one of you, here, there, everywhere.

 

I too, think lack of information about motive is a bit fishy.was a camera or eyes on those two windows, and for how long before entry? A serious high stakes gambler can be an easy target to tempt. think about that one for a minute. This guy may very well be a patsy. This is something you really would have to have a LOT of absolute HATE in you to see through to this extent.

 

I have noticed a lot of conflicting details and misinformation in the news and media, as well. Granted, it is too soon to really tell anything at this point, but its WAY to all over the place for anyone to make any judgement at this time, and I can tell you with cetainty detailed information about the on scene evidence is being withheld for a reason, and the misinformation is being done on purpose. There is more to this than meets the eye, or nothing at all to it. It will be figured out in time, and the more folks talk about it, the more work the mainframes have to do to sort through little bits of information, as I am CERTAIN highest priority has been put on this by the electronic warfare divisions for all branches of govt and law enforcement. They probably have the backup coolers going at the same time in I run moun teen to help handle the overload.

 

As for our beloved guns and their hardware....I am sure everyone bought out the stock to most places, and those places that did not sell out, changed their stock amount to zero for one of two reasons - A - to prevent a lawsuit or out of sheer "i refuse to sell this item", or B - to save them for a later date and sell for 3 times as much. ...welcome to the gun industry.

 

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:55 AM

Unanswered and ignored questions

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 03:35 PM

Unanswered and ignored questions
http://www.zerohedge...snt-want-talk-a

A couple of things stated in ZeroHedge's questions make me look very dubiously upon them.
But especially #6, what a crock of crap!
My youngest son who is 12 can handle an AR easy as pie.
Especially with a bipod and a bump stock shooting from a stable platform.
No accuracy needed just aim into the stampeding sheep where they're the thickest... Mass Carnage very easily attained.

Advanced weapons? Just stop.

Training and stamina? 15 minutes basic knowledge, no stamina needed.

Elevation/range effect on accuracy?  You're aiming into a mass of tens of thousands of people not a 12" gong, so what if you forget to aim a bit low to compensate.

Would have to be a human super weapon?  What is this guy smoking?

This crap stinks like a roadkill skunk.

Stopped at #6, not bothering to read further.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 03:39 PM

There may be NO real answer to  WHY. This guy had $$$$$$$$. He was a high stakes gambler. His family has a history of mental disease.

I once had a neighbor who's ex was mentally ill and "dangerous".One night her 14 year old son (fathered by crazy ex) woke up, found a claw hammer, and killed his mother, brother, and step dad. No reason, insanity is the LACK of reason.

Maybe he lost BIG and this is how he payed off the debt?

We may NEVER know - he was on Valium, anti-depressents can cause cause violent and vainglorios suicide attempts, remember the kid who flew the private plane into a building in Florida?.

 

I see mental  illness as the most likely 'reason'.

 

Whatever, I see bump stop stocks going away.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 04:19 PM

Some people react badly to Valium. Apparently, this guy is one of them.

Maybe we need a waiting period on mood-altering prescription drugs? ;)

 

If he hadn't gotten firearms, he would have used a bomb, or drove a truck through the crowd, or something else.

 

Crazy is crazy.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 05:05 PM

It seems to me we're asking all the same questions we had after the CO movie theater shooting and the Newtown school shooting...

Did anyone really get any answers? Nope.

 

All this has happened before, and will happen again.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 05:14 PM

The audio I heard the 1st time sounded like AK47 fire, with ~30rds between pauses. I've heard it before. It sounds nothing like M16 fire.

The 2nd audio I head to day, that Hannity said was bodycam audio, sounded uneven, and higher pitched, like .223 bumpfire with a much longer burst than 30 rds.

I wonder why the two audios sounded so different? Different pitch, different cadence.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 07:35 PM

G O B has an excellent point "IM GOING ALL IN" plus mental illness history in the family

 

patriot, your point is well validated. what is all this crap the schools ask you all to give your kids doing to them or their nexts? anyone check that fact out ? nah, lets just hand psychotropic drugs out and "see what it does" to them. i am 100% against drugging kids, or loose medication prescriptions. you dont know what they are going to do over generations, and you also dont know rare reactions to the crap is, but its ok....just give it to them.

 

either way, its a travesty in a big way, and distracts us from the real problems that we all must deal with....


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:03 PM

The things that bother me......no digital footprint. Not impossible, but hard. He worked for the post office....then the IRS....hmmmm. What things could he learn from working at those places? Then he travels frequently out of the country and
Wins big money in casinos and comes back to country with lots of cash.. hmmmm...and his trips to certain countries. Hmmm....
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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:18 PM

I think I have his email address, so he was online.. He ordered some floor plates back in December.. Kinda creepy having an order from such a lunatic.


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:38 PM

The audio I heard the 1st time sounded like AK47 fire, with ~30rds between pauses. I've heard it before. It sounds nothing like M16 fire.

The 2nd audio I head to day, that Hannity said was bodycam audio, sounded uneven, and higher pitched, like .223 bumpfire with a much longer burst than 30 rds.

I wonder why the two audios sounded so different? Different pitch, different cadence.

He had 23 rifles in the room, of those most were ARs in 556 and one or more AR10 .308 and at least one AK47 7.62x39.

I can easily imagine him grabbing different rifles ready to go instead of reloading.

 

Echoes bouncing around, echoes of echoes, try holding the same rate of fire consistently with a bump stock throughout a 100 rd mag or multiple of such mags.

 

See the Surefire mags, looks like 100rd quad stack mags shown in his weapons.

There are at least 9-10 Surefire 100rd mags in the pics of his room, 8 stacked and ready, some empties lying near a shooting position amid all the casings and another in a rifle.

30rd mag in what appears to be .308 on floor and in one rifle?


Edited by ChileRelleno, 04 October 2017 - 10:13 PM.

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Posted 04 October 2017 - 09:53 PM

The first burst sounded like 60-100, then 30, and another 30.

 

75 rnd drum, then stick mags? 



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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:37 PM

 

Unanswered and ignored questions
http://www.zerohedge...snt-want-talk-a

A couple of things stated in ZeroHedge's questions make me look very dubiously upon them.
But especially #6, what a crock of crap!
My youngest son who is 12 can handle an AR easy as pie.
Especially with a bipod and a bump stock shooting from a stable platform.
No accuracy needed just aim into the stampeding sheep where they're the thickest... Mass Carnage very easily attained.

Advanced weapons? Just stop.

Training and stamina? 15 minutes basic knowledge, no stamina needed.

Elevation/range effect on accuracy?  You're aiming into a mass of tens of thousands of people not a 12" gong, so what if you forget to aim a bit low to compensate.

Would have to be a human super weapon?  What is this guy smoking?

This crap stinks like a roadkill skunk.

Stopped at #6, not bothering to read further.

 

Well thanks for the review on the article.. I guess.

 

Where did yall get the info the rifles or is all this just in the guesstimate phase?


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Posted 04 October 2017 - 10:40 PM

I think I have his email address, so he was online.. He ordered some floor plates back in December.. Kinda creepy having an order from such a lunatic.

 

 

im sure he was here, woudlnt be the first one.

 

heres the thing, n omatter what it turns out to be, are any of YOU willing to give up ANY of our rights because of someone that was off, or laws that didnt work?

 

i hate to say it, but maybe we should take a play from north koprea.... if you f up like this, your whole family mush pay. and you must be a registered card toter to boot. maybe its not a bad idea.

 

sicko would have thought twice if his baby relatives faced prison time because he misused his firearms card, now wouldnt he?

 

maybe not a good idea, but its an idea.

 

this shit needs to stop.

 

the GUN people need to write the GUN rules, and NOW. this has got to stop, and NOT at mine or your conviniences.....stop letting your 8 year olds play GTA5 and think its cool to run rampant with no law and "kill a niga" how the fuck is that any kind of normal behavior?

 

...everybody would be just a BIT MORE concerned if there were REAL consequences, now wouldnt they? this interferes with our freedom again, however.

 

there must be a way. the anti-gunning prudes arent ever going to figure this one out.....WE have to.


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I think I have his email address, so he was online.. He ordered some floor plates back in December.. Kinda creepy having an order from such a lunatic.

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