Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) I feel like a ass due to the fact that i can't find the original thread that started this mess. If anyone knows what i'm talking about and can find the original thread please post a link, i want to give those who gave me the idea credit... Anyway theres been some talk about if breaks work when on the end of the barrel. I descided to do a test. Right now all i have are a modified polychoke(that due to modification wouldn't tell you anything about yours) and a Chaos Warthog. So i got together 2 friends 40 3" steel turky loads, 100 3" steel goose loads some remington sluggers and some 3" 00 buck and... well... check it out Edit to add: The thread that gave me the idea to do this. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=40333&hl Edited June 7, 2009 by Nailbomb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 First up i slammed the warthog nose first into a steel door and a wooden door. Check for durability and take some anger out on inanimate objects. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 I did a better job blowing the lock off the wooden door than the steel one... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grendelz 61 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 First up i slammed the warthog nose first into a steel door and a wooden door. Check for durability and take some anger out on inanimate objects. MORE! More pics please. It looks like you had wicked fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Then we set up for the real test. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Shameless plug for Juggs shirts... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 (edited) I'll have some video up in a few... having trouble with Youtube... Ok... never done this befor someone tell me if this link works... http://www.youtube.com/user/66Nailhead Edited June 6, 2009 by Nailbomb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 And heres my favorite pic out of the bunch... if you ever wondered what that bulgarian ribbed pattern looks like after a bunch of high brass here you go... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Its not exacly scientific, but we had a great time. Toward the end i seemed to be the only one with any enthusiasm for firing off 3" magnums, but definitly fun. Its hard to make anything out of the videos, but i definitly prefered firing it with the warthog as opposed to without. I felt that my follow up shots came quicker, and my shoulder seemed to bother me less. Your turn, Get out and shoot! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grendelz 61 Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 I'll have some video up in a few... having trouble with Youtube... Ok... never done this befor someone tell me if this link works... http://www.youtube.com/user/66Nailhead It works, takes us too your page Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 It works, takes us too your page Thanks wasn't sure if that just worked for me due to me being signed on to my account. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Some Misc Pics from the same day... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Those are some cool pics! Looks like a ton of fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grendelz 61 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 We can now safely say the Warthog is certified BADASS. Before, i just thought it was a pretty addon. Now I gotta see if CSS has one in stock. Thanks for the good work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtnichols 51 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 It's interesting in the video how the smoke clouds out of the barrel are more towards the bottom front with that warthog, without it, it's all over , but mainly straight forward,... I'll bet those back facing vents on the top, you can't see the powder smoke coming out because it's so fast,... may have something to do with why you can see smoke consistantly at the bottom when installed. Those are some cool pics! Looks like a ton of fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moe Zambeak 53 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 When I fire off a bunch of quick shots at the range, I always have to stop shooting for second while the smoke clears. Looks like this might help that out. It's interesting in the video how the smoke clouds out of the barrel are more towards the bottom front with that warthog, without it, it's all over , but mainly straight forward,... I'll bet those back facing vents on the top, you can't see the powder smoke coming out because it's so fast,... may have something to do with why you can see smoke consistantly at the bottom when installed. Those are some cool pics! Looks like a ton of fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
krusader 1 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I feel like a ass due to the fact that i can't find the original thread that started this mess. If anyone knows what i'm talking about and can find the original thread please post a link, i want to give those who gave me the idea credit... Anyway theres been some talk about if breaks work when on the end of the barrel. I descided to do a test. Right now all i have are a modified polychoke(that due to modification wouldn't tell you anything about yours) and a Chaos Warthog. So i got together 2 friends 40 3" steel turky loads, 100 3" steel goose loads some remington sluggers and some 3" 00 buck and... well... check it out Just a thought, when you bash the warthog into an object like the door, arn't you putting a whole lot of stress on the barrel and the receiver paticularly where the barrel attaches to the receiver? I am not a saiga expert, in fact i'm a noob, but I was just wondering if that should be done to an expensive item like the saiga. Very very fun pics and story though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Shameless plug for Juggs shirts... Thanks, Bro!!! Sweet wright up ya got here!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Superhawk138 202 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Looks like a fun time Nailbomb. Are you talking about Saiganoobie's thread about brakes. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry365316 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Well since you recorded video from the side with different high-power loads both with and without the warthog, I think it's scientific enough. I didn't see a whole lot of difference in muzzle rise between the shots with the warthog and the shots without.. so although this "brake" might help some, it certainly doesn't seem to make much of a difference. I bet you'd get very similar results from shooting the gun with and without the slotted Polychoke.. course I could be wrong. You should test the Polychoke vs the warthog and see what results.. besides the shot pattern being tighter and more effective with the Polychoke, of course. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) Just a thought, when you bash the warthog into an object like the door, arn't you putting a whole lot of stress on the barrel and the receiver paticularly where the barrel attaches to the receiver?I am not a saiga expert, in fact i'm a noob, but I was just wondering if that should be done to an expensive item like the saiga. Very very fun pics and story though. The thought has occured to me that smashing the muzzle of my gun into a metal door repeatedly could be thought of as a bad idea... It also occurs to me that blowing locks off at point blank in a non combative situation isn't the wisest move either. I DO NOT recomend anyone do this. I don't want any liability for anyone else. Looks like a fun time Nailbomb. Are you talking about Saiganoobie's thread about brakes. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry365316 No thats not the one... The thread i'm talking about I think the only thing i posted was "i now know what i must do" other people came up with the idea of the grid to measure recoil and whatnot... Edited June 7, 2009 by Nailbomb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Just a thought, when you bash the warthog into an object like the door, arn't you putting a whole lot of stress on the barrel and the receiver paticularly where the barrel attaches to the receiver?I am not a saiga expert, in fact i'm a noob, but I was just wondering if that should be done to an expensive item like the saiga. Very very fun pics and story though. The thought has occured to me that smashing the muzzle of my gun into a metal door repeatedly could be thought of as a bad idea... It also occurs to me that blowing locks off at point blank in a non combative situation isn't the wisest move either. I DO NOT recomend anyone do this. I don't want any liability for anyone else. Too late, man. I shot my leg off by just doing what you described. Clearly, you are liable. Expect to hear from my attorneys on Monday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) Too late, man. I shot my leg off by just doing what you described. Clearly, you are liable. Expect to hear from my attorneys on Monday. I have heard over 1/2 the worlds population of lawyers live in america, we must be doing something right! Also you asked about my tri-rail setup, i covered that in my previous test run along with a bunch of other products. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...durability+test Oh and after looking at that again, i should point out that i resolved the issue of the trigger not reseting by just tweaking the reduced pressure spring out to the sides of the reciever some and bending them down for some more pressure. I really enjoy my trigger feel now, and I'm really looking foward to seeing what my trigger feel is like after i convert my x39 with another reduced pressure spring and a red star arms FCG.(thanks for the advice corbin) Edited June 7, 2009 by Nailbomb Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shades_of_grey 1,092 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 (edited) Yeah, I guess you briefly mentioned it. Has it continued to hold up pretty well? I'm just looking for a reliable, lighter, and cheaper alternative to aluminum tri-rails, especially since I have this 20% off coupon for Saigastock.com that'll expire at the end of the month and they sell the SGM handguard, (and nothing else I want), but no aluminum railed guards. Edited June 7, 2009 by post-apocalyptic Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 Yeah, I guess you briefly mentioned it. Has it continued to hold up pretty well? I'm just looking for a reliable, lighter, and cheaper alternative to aluminum tri-rails, especially since I have this 20% off coupon for Saigastock.com that'll expire at the end of the month and they sell the SGM handguard, (and nothing else I want), but no aluminum railed guards. Durability wise its holding up fine. You definitly need to use some blue locktight on the screw holding it in place though. if you don't it WILL Wiggle loose. The one(two accualy i destroyed the first venting it) i bought from CSS came with a small thing of blue thread locker, i don't have any expirience with saigastock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 edited the original post as i finaly found the thread that gave me the idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 7, 2009 Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I agree that using those loads and that procedure for blowing locks off at PBR does not look like a good idea at all. Some of you LEOs out there correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the correct way to use a door breaching attachment to jam the prongs into the hinge areas of the door and take them out instead? Seems like that would be a lot safer. I think you are also supposed to be using special shells made for that purpose, which have a dense powder instead of shot loads or slugs. Still looked like a lot of fun though! Great torture test for the Warthog. I'd like to see the Tromix Shark and the KA breaching brakes too... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted June 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2009 I agree that using those loads and that procedure for blowing locks off at PBR does not look like a good idea at all. Some of you LEOs out there correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the correct way to use a door breaching attachment to jam the prongs into the hinge areas of the door and take them out instead? Seems like that would be a lot safer. I think you are also supposed to be using special shells made for that purpose, which have a dense powder instead of shot loads or slugs. Still looked like a lot of fun though! Great torture test for the Warthog. I'd like to see the Tromix Shark and the KA breaching brakes too... Your right there are special rounds for that purpose(tritium has them as his avatar), i didn't have any so i made do with what i had on hand. I used 3" remington 00 for the locks. Smaller steel shot would be a worse idea IMHO. Sometimes stupid can be fun... In this case it was I wouldn't mind doing this with a tromix and a KA break either(minus the doors those just kindof fell into my lap, i don't know if i could just come up with another 6 for 2 more breaks), I'm just working with what i have. If there are any other members with those breaks that wouldn't mind doing a similar test that would be great. Getting a serious knowledge base together like that would be awsome! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cvhanh20 1,052 Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 Sweet review, looks like you guys had some fun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TTR 1 Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 BAD to the BONE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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