Silent No More
February 15th, 2007 | Category: Guest Authors
By OWB
When the scumbags who are today sympathizing with terrorists were taking instruction and direction from the USSR, we remained virtually silent. We sat quietly by as they defamed our warriors returning from VietNam. We hoped that if we pretended that they weren’t there, they would stop spitting on veterans, stop throwing disgusting things at them, and stop acting like jerks in general. In the name of getting along, hoping that failing to dignify their abhorrent behavior by responding to it would discourage them, we let it go. We who found them and their behavior repugnant and disgusting, remained silent. We are silent no more.
When the lunatics who work diligently for the destruction of life as we know it in this country took over our schools, we were busy providing for our families, building careers, and offering more and more funding for the insane programs which were being used for that aforementioned destruction. We seem to have become anesthetized by our own abundance. We remained silent for the new math, the social studies replacing the teaching of history, the introduction of calculators and computers instead of learning to think and solve problems. Let us pray that we haven’t waited too long, but we are silent no more.
We have sat back and allowed red diaper doper babies to grow into adulthood continuing to act as though the world revolves around them and we are only here to provide for whatever their next crazy scheme happens to be. The nuttier the better. No need for logic or real science any more. Just make stuff up and get some celebrities to endorse it and suddenly anyone who disagrees is vilified. We allowed this to happen, but we are silent no more.
Veterans, especially those who served during Vietnam, remember the damage done to all of us by them. Most of us have had it stuck in our craws all this time. We hear how everybody is free to curse at us, call us names, make rude and crude suggestions in every form of entertainment, and that is OK. Because speech is free. Perhaps we can test that theory now as we become silent no more.
Today we find ourselves seemingly surrounded by fools who would rather give this great land away than do anything to defend it. They ridicule those of us who are grateful for the accident of birth and the tenacity of our ancestors who came here to this land of the free. We want to defend what they and we have done for this country. We are tired of the distortions of who we are and why the people of this country are historically the most generous who have ever lived. We will tell our stories and our history because we are silent no more.
There are few times in the typical human’s lifetime when we have the opportunity to do something which may result in profound consequences. We have such an opportunity March 17. All of us who have kept quiet, have stuffed our opinions in a misguided effort to be good citizens, and have continued to hope that some day those who have caused so much pain to so many would change their ways will finally have our day. We will first honor our fallen warriors and then let the world know that we are silent no more.
Perhaps, at long last, our voices will not only be heard but be joined by the voices of millions of other proud Americans.
—
Originally published at Veteran-American Voices.
Crossposted with permission.
Full Version: Protect our sacred monuments!
I have hugged the weeping mothers of dead servicemen.
They had the sense and the courage to bury their sons with respect and honor
for the Military branch their sons proudly "volunteered" for.
Not one person serving was "forced into service"
Everyone serving in the U.S. armed forces IS a volunteer.
They had the sense and the courage to bury their sons with respect and honor
for the Military branch their sons proudly "volunteered" for.
Not one person serving was "forced into service"
Everyone serving in the U.S. armed forces IS a volunteer.
This was sent to me by a good friend who is very active on a Republican Internet board. She and I will probably attend this gathering at the Viet Nam Veteran's Memorial in VA.
Here is some info about her group.
Our Mission Statement
1. Gathering of Eagles is non-partisan. While each member has his or her own political beliefs, our common love and respect for America and her heroes is what brings us together.
2. We are a non-violent, non-confrontational group. We look to defend, not attack. Our focus is guarding our memorials and their grounds.
3. We believe that the war memorials are sacred ground; as such, we will not allow them to be desecrated, used as props for political statements, or treated with anything less than the solemn and heartfelt respect they–and the heroes they honor–deserve.
4. We are wholly and forever committed to our brothers and sisters in uniform. As veterans, we understand their incredible and noble sacrifices, made of their own accord for a nation they love more than life itself. As family members, we stand by them, and as Americans, we thank God for them.
5. We believe in and would give our lives for the precious freedoms found in our Constitution. We believe that our freedom of speech is one of the greatest things our country espouses, and we absolutely hold that any American citizen has the right to express his or her approval or disapproval with any policy, law, or action of our nation and her government in a peaceful manner as afforded by the laws of our land.
6. However, we are adamantly opposed to the use of violence, vandalism, physical or verbal assaults on our veterans, and the destruction or desecration of our memorials. By defending and honoring these sacred places, we defend and honor those whose blood gave all of us the right to speak as freely as our minds think.
7. We vehemently oppose the notion that it is possible to “support the troops but not the war.” We are opposed to those groups who would claim support for the troops yet engage in behavior that is demeaning and abusive to the men and women who wear our nation’s uniform.
8. We believe in freedom at all costs, including our own lives. We served to protect the freedoms Americans enjoy, and we agree with Thomas Jefferson’s assertion that “From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
9. We will accept nothing less than total, unqualified victory in the current conflict. Surrender is not an option, nor is defeat.
10. We stand to challenge any group that seeks the destruction of our nation, its founding precepts of liberty and freedom, or those who have given of themselves to secure those things for another generation. We will be silent no more.
Here is some info about her group.
Our Mission Statement
1. Gathering of Eagles is non-partisan. While each member has his or her own political beliefs, our common love and respect for America and her heroes is what brings us together.
2. We are a non-violent, non-confrontational group. We look to defend, not attack. Our focus is guarding our memorials and their grounds.
3. We believe that the war memorials are sacred ground; as such, we will not allow them to be desecrated, used as props for political statements, or treated with anything less than the solemn and heartfelt respect they–and the heroes they honor–deserve.
4. We are wholly and forever committed to our brothers and sisters in uniform. As veterans, we understand their incredible and noble sacrifices, made of their own accord for a nation they love more than life itself. As family members, we stand by them, and as Americans, we thank God for them.
5. We believe in and would give our lives for the precious freedoms found in our Constitution. We believe that our freedom of speech is one of the greatest things our country espouses, and we absolutely hold that any American citizen has the right to express his or her approval or disapproval with any policy, law, or action of our nation and her government in a peaceful manner as afforded by the laws of our land.
6. However, we are adamantly opposed to the use of violence, vandalism, physical or verbal assaults on our veterans, and the destruction or desecration of our memorials. By defending and honoring these sacred places, we defend and honor those whose blood gave all of us the right to speak as freely as our minds think.
7. We vehemently oppose the notion that it is possible to “support the troops but not the war.” We are opposed to those groups who would claim support for the troops yet engage in behavior that is demeaning and abusive to the men and women who wear our nation’s uniform.
8. We believe in freedom at all costs, including our own lives. We served to protect the freedoms Americans enjoy, and we agree with Thomas Jefferson’s assertion that “From time to time, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”
9. We will accept nothing less than total, unqualified victory in the current conflict. Surrender is not an option, nor is defeat.
10. We stand to challenge any group that seeks the destruction of our nation, its founding precepts of liberty and freedom, or those who have given of themselves to secure those things for another generation. We will be silent no more.
"Their blood testifies as a witness to our freedom!"
Let us never forget.
when is the event?
Let us never forget.
when is the event?
The event is on March 17th
Here is a link to the website for more info...
http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=75
Here is a link to the website for more info...
http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=75
Vietnam Vets Rally to Protect Memorial
By JENNIFER C. KERR
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 21, 2007; 11:30 PM
WASHINGTON -- Iraq war protesters are planning to converge on Washington next month and several organizations, including the POW-MIA group Rolling Thunder, are banding together to protect sacred ground for Vietnam War veterans.
The rally March 17 against the war, organizers say, is to get under way in a grassy park near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, known as the wall.
Two veterans' groups said Wednesday they fear protesters may deface the memorial, a claim dismissed by the demonstrating groups.
"We're going there to protect our memorial and show support for our troops," said Artie Muller, founder and executive director of Rolling Thunder.
Muller said he and other veterans grew concerned because during a January anti-war rally, some protesters spray-painted graffiti on the steps of the Capitol.
Richard Becker, a spokesman for the upcoming rally, said the organizations involved have no intention of desecrating the black granite memorial wall. "I think it's the spreading of myths and that's a polite way of putting it," Becker said.
The anti-war ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) Coalition is organizing the protest to coincide with the fourth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion, which was launched on March 20, 2003, in Iraq.
Becker declined to estimate the number of protesters expected. He said the crowd will include some Iraq war veterans and their families.
From the Vietnam War Memorial, the protesters plan to march to the Pentagon to demand an immediate withdrawal of U.S troops from Iraq.
Larry Bailey, a retired Navy captain, said he and other Vietnam veterans aim to guard entrance points to the wall to keep protesters away. "They stand for things that are a total anathema to those of us who were the next generation after the 'great generation,'" he said.
In late January, tens of thousands of protesters marched in a Washington anti-war demonstration. The rally drew celebrities including Jane Fonda and Sean Penn as well as active-duty service members.
A small group of demonstrators managed to spray-paint the steps on the west side of the Capitol. Capitol Police said the writing was cleaned off quickly.
By JENNIFER C. KERR
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 21, 2007; 11:30 PM
WASHINGTON -- Iraq war protesters are planning to converge on Washington next month and several organizations, including the POW-MIA group Rolling Thunder, are banding together to protect sacred ground for Vietnam War veterans.
The rally March 17 against the war, organizers say, is to get under way in a grassy park near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, known as the wall.
Two veterans' groups said Wednesday they fear protesters may deface the memorial, a claim dismissed by the demonstrating groups.
"We're going there to protect our memorial and show support for our troops," said Artie Muller, founder and executive director of Rolling Thunder.
Muller said he and other veterans grew concerned because during a January anti-war rally, some protesters spray-painted graffiti on the steps of the Capitol.
Richard Becker, a spokesman for the upcoming rally, said the organizations involved have no intention of desecrating the black granite memorial wall. "I think it's the spreading of myths and that's a polite way of putting it," Becker said.
The anti-war ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) Coalition is organizing the protest to coincide with the fourth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion, which was launched on March 20, 2003, in Iraq.
Becker declined to estimate the number of protesters expected. He said the crowd will include some Iraq war veterans and their families.
From the Vietnam War Memorial, the protesters plan to march to the Pentagon to demand an immediate withdrawal of U.S troops from Iraq.
Larry Bailey, a retired Navy captain, said he and other Vietnam veterans aim to guard entrance points to the wall to keep protesters away. "They stand for things that are a total anathema to those of us who were the next generation after the 'great generation,'" he said.
In late January, tens of thousands of protesters marched in a Washington anti-war demonstration. The rally drew celebrities including Jane Fonda and Sean Penn as well as active-duty service members.
A small group of demonstrators managed to spray-paint the steps on the west side of the Capitol. Capitol Police said the writing was cleaned off quickly.
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Damn guys what gives? 89 views so far and only one member shows any interest? I thought this would at least generate some chatter, positive OR negative...
This ain't a bunch of hippies we are talkin about it's a group of dedicated AMERICANS who want to do all they can to show their deep respect for our military, our country, and our war dead. At least give em a hardy HOOOAH! if you know someone who lives near DC or Maryland for God's sake please at least tell them about it.
This is another message I got about it:
A Gathering of Eagles
By Michelle Malkin
Wednesday, February 28, 2007
Take Action
How many times have you sat in front of the television over the last four years, watching anti-war activists march on Washington, chase the ROTC off your local college campus, vandalize war memorials, insult the troops and wreak havoc under the surrender banner?
How many times have you thought to yourself: What can I do?
Here is the answer: Get off the sofa and join the Gathering of Eagles on March 17 in Washington, D.C. On that day, well-funded, celebrity-studded anti-war groups plan to march to the Pentagon on a protest route that will take them past the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and climax in calls for immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, destruction of America's "global military machine," shutdown of the enemy combatant detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay and impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney (plus an end to "colonial occupation" in "Palestine, Haiti and everywhere" for good measure).
Last time the left-wing, peace-loving fun bunch came to town, their minions gone wild threw rocks at a military recruitment office in D.C's Dupont Circle neighborhood and at a local Fox News van, broke through a Capitol Hill police security cordon, spray painted the Capitol Grounds with impunity, desecrated the Lone Sailor statue that stands watch at the U.S. Navy Memorial and reportedly spat at disabled Iraq war veteran Josh Sparling as he voiced his support for his fellow troops.
There were tens of thousands of anti-war demonstrators at that event last month. You know how many showed up with Sparling to counter the far Left? Forty.
Now, imagine our troops getting word of that count. They're walking the talk, committed to the long, hard mission of counterinsurgency in Iraq and abroad, risking life and limb -- and only 40 of their fellow Americans bothered to represent them in the nation's capital?
The Gathering of Eagles, an impromptu coalition of veterans' groups, pro-military organizations and Internet activists, wants to right the wrong. "We are a non-violent, non-confrontational group. We look to defend, not attack. Our focus is guarding our memorials and their grounds," they explain. "We believe in and would give our lives for the precious freedoms found in our Constitution. We believe that our freedom of speech is one of the greatest things our country espouses, and we absolutely hold that any American citizen has the right to express his or her approval or disapproval with any policy, law or action of our nation and her government in a peaceful manner as afforded by the laws of our land."
What the Eagles will not stand for, however, are "violence, vandalism, physical or verbal assaults on our veterans, and the destruction or desecration of our memorials. By defending and honoring these sacred places, we defend and honor those whose blood gave all of us the right to speak as freely as our minds think."
Sgt. Artie Muller, founder of Rolling Thunder, the POW/MIA advocacy group, has called on his 80-plus chartered chapters to turn out. Move America Forward, the grass-roots, non-profit, pro-military charity, is launching a caravan from California March 8 to join the Eagles and will bring flags from across the country for the event. The Nam Knights will be there, too. Bill Devereaux, a member of the South Jersey Viet Nam Vets Association, wrote to tell me he had "appropriated a bus on which 40 of our members will be attending the event."
Daniel McPeters, an Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom veteran, e-mailed that "at least a dozen of my brothers will be attending this vigil of necessity and representing those not able to be present. This has needed to happen for 30-plus years. Anyone that supports our troops and their cause should try to make it out, or contact their local Veterans post and spread the word. The silent ones need not be silent any more."
Cindy Sheehan has responded to the Eagles by deriding them on the Gold Star Families for Peace website as "Rightest [sic] America Haters" who are "brainwashed and propagandized."
The question isn't, "What can I do to respond to the Sheehanistas?" The question now is, "What will you do?"
Get off the darned sofa and show your support. March 17. Washington, D.C. Find out more at www.gatheringofeagles.org.
Damn guys what gives? 89 views so far and only one member shows any interest? I thought this would at least generate some chatter, positive OR negative...
This ain't a bunch of hippies we are talkin about it's a group of dedicated AMERICANS who want to do all they can to show their deep respect for our military, our country, and our war dead. At least give em a hardy HOOOAH! if you know someone who lives near DC or Maryland for God's sake please at least tell them about it.
This is another message I got about it:
A Gathering of Eagles
By Michelle Malkin
Wednesday, February 28, 2007
Take Action
How many times have you sat in front of the television over the last four years, watching anti-war activists march on Washington, chase the ROTC off your local college campus, vandalize war memorials, insult the troops and wreak havoc under the surrender banner?
How many times have you thought to yourself: What can I do?
Here is the answer: Get off the sofa and join the Gathering of Eagles on March 17 in Washington, D.C. On that day, well-funded, celebrity-studded anti-war groups plan to march to the Pentagon on a protest route that will take them past the Vietnam Veterans Memorial and climax in calls for immediate withdrawal of our troops from Iraq, destruction of America's "global military machine," shutdown of the enemy combatant detention facilities at Guantanamo Bay and impeachment of President Bush and Vice President Cheney (plus an end to "colonial occupation" in "Palestine, Haiti and everywhere" for good measure).
Last time the left-wing, peace-loving fun bunch came to town, their minions gone wild threw rocks at a military recruitment office in D.C's Dupont Circle neighborhood and at a local Fox News van, broke through a Capitol Hill police security cordon, spray painted the Capitol Grounds with impunity, desecrated the Lone Sailor statue that stands watch at the U.S. Navy Memorial and reportedly spat at disabled Iraq war veteran Josh Sparling as he voiced his support for his fellow troops.
There were tens of thousands of anti-war demonstrators at that event last month. You know how many showed up with Sparling to counter the far Left? Forty.
Now, imagine our troops getting word of that count. They're walking the talk, committed to the long, hard mission of counterinsurgency in Iraq and abroad, risking life and limb -- and only 40 of their fellow Americans bothered to represent them in the nation's capital?
The Gathering of Eagles, an impromptu coalition of veterans' groups, pro-military organizations and Internet activists, wants to right the wrong. "We are a non-violent, non-confrontational group. We look to defend, not attack. Our focus is guarding our memorials and their grounds," they explain. "We believe in and would give our lives for the precious freedoms found in our Constitution. We believe that our freedom of speech is one of the greatest things our country espouses, and we absolutely hold that any American citizen has the right to express his or her approval or disapproval with any policy, law or action of our nation and her government in a peaceful manner as afforded by the laws of our land."
What the Eagles will not stand for, however, are "violence, vandalism, physical or verbal assaults on our veterans, and the destruction or desecration of our memorials. By defending and honoring these sacred places, we defend and honor those whose blood gave all of us the right to speak as freely as our minds think."
Sgt. Artie Muller, founder of Rolling Thunder, the POW/MIA advocacy group, has called on his 80-plus chartered chapters to turn out. Move America Forward, the grass-roots, non-profit, pro-military charity, is launching a caravan from California March 8 to join the Eagles and will bring flags from across the country for the event. The Nam Knights will be there, too. Bill Devereaux, a member of the South Jersey Viet Nam Vets Association, wrote to tell me he had "appropriated a bus on which 40 of our members will be attending the event."
Daniel McPeters, an Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom veteran, e-mailed that "at least a dozen of my brothers will be attending this vigil of necessity and representing those not able to be present. This has needed to happen for 30-plus years. Anyone that supports our troops and their cause should try to make it out, or contact their local Veterans post and spread the word. The silent ones need not be silent any more."
Cindy Sheehan has responded to the Eagles by deriding them on the Gold Star Families for Peace website as "Rightest [sic] America Haters" who are "brainwashed and propagandized."
The question isn't, "What can I do to respond to the Sheehanistas?" The question now is, "What will you do?"
Get off the darned sofa and show your support. March 17. Washington, D.C. Find out more at www.gatheringofeagles.org.
Cobra
I think you are probably getting few reponses since it is divisive topic.
Let me be perfectly clear - I support our troops 100% at all times, they deserve the best equipment and care so that they come back home to their loved ones at the end of their tour, this cut funding resolution is a load of crap because it just undermines the level of preparedness our troops in theater will have, it will not actually get Bush to pull them out, or not send them back for more tours of duty.
I understand the pain that those like sheehan have felt, my wife's family lost a friend early on in Iraq...as pointed out they mourned but did not blame the service for the death, he had volunteered.
I think the division is that most of the nation now questions why we are really in Iraq at all. It seems now that the public was more or less decieved by the leadership who now blame "bad intel" or "group think". Bush has admitted that "mistakes were made" in the decision to go to war with Iraq, and he has claimed responsibility for that. With that admission the public questions how many more of our soldiers should die for the mistake. Are they still dying for our freedom if we went to war under false pretenses, if Iraq was never a real risk to our freedom?
When does stay the course become too costly in lives? Is questioning that policy unpatriotic or is it duty of every citizen to hold the leadership accountable for their actions. Christ, we impeached Clinton for getting a blowjob and lying about it....nobody died because of that act.....but suggesting impeachment for someone who took us into a war we probably didn't need to fight (I mean Iraq not Afganistan), cost us 3000+ service men, missaapropriated funds (those funds set aside for operations in Afganastan - and which Bush divereted to Iraq without congresses approval), and has recently declared that he can "just ignore was Congress says"........those actions are not enough to make someone think impeachment???? (the Misapropriation of funds is an impeachable act!...he broke the law and we looked the other way!).....I would argue more so than getting your groove on with an intern in the oval office....
All that said - abosultely support the plan to show respect for the dead, our military and our country.....but i'm not able to muster much respect for our current leadership.....either in the presidency or congress.....
You have the right to peacebly assemble, just as the other side does, more power to both sides if they can do it peacibly.....not easy to do when differing ideologies butt heads......i support you notion to not make memorial site partisan backdrops as well!
Once again - 100% in support of the troops - but also respect the demonstrators rights to speak their voice....anything less and we give up our rights under the first amendment, if that one goes, the rest will soon follow....i don't plan to give up any of them....
I think you are probably getting few reponses since it is divisive topic.
Let me be perfectly clear - I support our troops 100% at all times, they deserve the best equipment and care so that they come back home to their loved ones at the end of their tour, this cut funding resolution is a load of crap because it just undermines the level of preparedness our troops in theater will have, it will not actually get Bush to pull them out, or not send them back for more tours of duty.
I understand the pain that those like sheehan have felt, my wife's family lost a friend early on in Iraq...as pointed out they mourned but did not blame the service for the death, he had volunteered.
I think the division is that most of the nation now questions why we are really in Iraq at all. It seems now that the public was more or less decieved by the leadership who now blame "bad intel" or "group think". Bush has admitted that "mistakes were made" in the decision to go to war with Iraq, and he has claimed responsibility for that. With that admission the public questions how many more of our soldiers should die for the mistake. Are they still dying for our freedom if we went to war under false pretenses, if Iraq was never a real risk to our freedom?
When does stay the course become too costly in lives? Is questioning that policy unpatriotic or is it duty of every citizen to hold the leadership accountable for their actions. Christ, we impeached Clinton for getting a blowjob and lying about it....nobody died because of that act.....but suggesting impeachment for someone who took us into a war we probably didn't need to fight (I mean Iraq not Afganistan), cost us 3000+ service men, missaapropriated funds (those funds set aside for operations in Afganastan - and which Bush divereted to Iraq without congresses approval), and has recently declared that he can "just ignore was Congress says"........those actions are not enough to make someone think impeachment???? (the Misapropriation of funds is an impeachable act!...he broke the law and we looked the other way!).....I would argue more so than getting your groove on with an intern in the oval office....
All that said - abosultely support the plan to show respect for the dead, our military and our country.....but i'm not able to muster much respect for our current leadership.....either in the presidency or congress.....
You have the right to peacebly assemble, just as the other side does, more power to both sides if they can do it peacibly.....not easy to do when differing ideologies butt heads......i support you notion to not make memorial site partisan backdrops as well!
Once again - 100% in support of the troops - but also respect the demonstrators rights to speak their voice....anything less and we give up our rights under the first amendment, if that one goes, the rest will soon follow....i don't plan to give up any of them....
She might be an ass, but she has every right to do what she is doing
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Of coarse you also have the right to counter protest and voice your opinion.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Of coarse you also have the right to counter protest and voice your opinion.
Ill be there for sure i just laid to rest two nam veterans last year. they were very close friends of mine.
Demonstrators have no right to throw paint or otherwise denigrate American monuments as this crowd did at the last potest in DC, especially when they are rallying at a monument to fallen American heroes. God Bless the Eagles and troops who are protectors of these losers rights to free speech. If I can arrange a sitter for my 21 month old, I'll be there.
Anyone desecrates a war monument and I'll be violatin' some civil rights! 
"Bootparty!"
"Bootparty!"
QUOTE (Juggernaut @ Feb 28 2007, 09:02 PM) 
Anyone desecrates a war monument and I'll be violatin' some civil rights!
"Bootparty!"
"Bootparty!"
Amen, brother! If you are gonna make it down, we are definitely gonna hook up! My wife wants to go too! I live maybe 30 minutes from DC.
why are Peace Protesters so Violent?
QUOTE (Juggernaut @ Feb 28 2007, 10:50 PM)
why are Peace Protesters so Violent?
that is a damn good question....i would bet that they find that a little violence gets them more PR.
of course....once someone throws a punch, all bets are off and you can end that event in a hurry.
[quote name='RangerM9' date='Feb 28 2007, 01:55 PM' post='125734']
Cobra
I think the division is that most of the nation now questions why we are really in Iraq at all.
I'm the one Cobra is talking about. I told him about this and we are more than likely going. As far as the Gathering of Eagles is concerned, this has nothing to do with Iraq and everything to do with this wall. We are going to be there to defend it. Period. Some don't necessarily agree with this war. But our repect for the military goes to the core of our being. This isn't a stand for Bush, it's a stand to protect the memorial. Period.
Cobra
I think the division is that most of the nation now questions why we are really in Iraq at all.
I'm the one Cobra is talking about. I told him about this and we are more than likely going. As far as the Gathering of Eagles is concerned, this has nothing to do with Iraq and everything to do with this wall. We are going to be there to defend it. Period. Some don't necessarily agree with this war. But our repect for the military goes to the core of our being. This isn't a stand for Bush, it's a stand to protect the memorial. Period.
[quote name='Racegal55' post='125923' date='Feb 28 2007, 10:25 PM'][quote name='RangerM9' post='125734' date='Feb 28 2007, 01:55 PM']
Cobra
I think the division is that most of the nation now questions why we are really in Iraq at all.
I'm the one Cobra is talking about. I told him about this and we are more than likely going. As far as the Gathering of Eagles is concerned, this has nothing to do with Iraq and everything to do with this wall. We are going to be there to defend it. Period. Some don't necessarily agree with this war. But our repect for the military goes to the core of our being. This isn't a stand for Bush, it's a stand to protect the memorial. Period.[/quote]
.......and, by God, that's right !!!! For these protestors to assemble and march is their right as American citizens......for them to choose the Vietnam Memorial, or any veterans memorial to stage their protest is an affront and an insult to the sacrifice that our friends, relatives, and brothers in arms made for our country. Agree or disagree with the war in Iraq......but don't use our honored dead, who gave their all in service to our country, as a backdrop for spitting on their memory. If they can't respect, then you must eject....... (how's that??)
I can't go for this event, but my heart is with all who do................
Cobra
I think the division is that most of the nation now questions why we are really in Iraq at all.
I'm the one Cobra is talking about. I told him about this and we are more than likely going. As far as the Gathering of Eagles is concerned, this has nothing to do with Iraq and everything to do with this wall. We are going to be there to defend it. Period. Some don't necessarily agree with this war. But our repect for the military goes to the core of our being. This isn't a stand for Bush, it's a stand to protect the memorial. Period.[/quote]
.......and, by God, that's right !!!! For these protestors to assemble and march is their right as American citizens......for them to choose the Vietnam Memorial, or any veterans memorial to stage their protest is an affront and an insult to the sacrifice that our friends, relatives, and brothers in arms made for our country. Agree or disagree with the war in Iraq......but don't use our honored dead, who gave their all in service to our country, as a backdrop for spitting on their memory. If they can't respect, then you must eject....... (how's that??)
I can't go for this event, but my heart is with all who do................
Cobra,
I agree with RangerM9. I would never disparage the office of the President of the United States however he is a public servant, just like me. I did not agree with the arguments for the war, but I carried out my orders as quickly as possible and to the best of my abilities. I have no regrets and I believe that I went in there with both eyes wide open, which is to say that I expected to have been lied to and I was not surprised that end troop numbers were figured out by DOD bean counters while General Shinseki, who had the courage to tell the truth, was marginalized and eventually replaced.
I wholeheartedly agree with anyone that wants to protect the monuments from vandals and I would be right there with the rest of the vets protecting them. But I do not buy into the argument that to demand the troops get out of Iraq is somehow wrong. If anything, we should be finishing the fight in Afghanistan instead of relying on NATO to do it for us. Regardless, Iraq has weakened our military capabilites which puts us in greater danger, not less.
We got hit with terrorist attacks and instead of focusing on the things that have made America great, our fears were pandered to and used against us. The enemy jihadists consider every American their sworn enemy. Instead of allowing every American the means to defend themselves and the nation as a whole, we had more and more civil liberties taken away for the sake of national security. It boggles my mind that the best advice the rail service can give passengers is to call a number if they see something or someone they think is suspicious. We have gun-free school zones that are just ripe for Beslan type tactics because teachers can not arm themselves and no one questions this. And I cannot believe none of our politicians have realized that the Constitution of the United States contains all the legislation we need to defend ourselves and remain proud of who we are and what we stand for.
It is my greatest fear that for the sake of national security we have started on the path towards a totalitarion state and this administration will have paved the way. But we are certainly culpable because we have not held them accountable for their actions. And we certainly lose more than we gain if we do anything to stifle anyone's voice regarding the war and the way it has been prosecuted...even if that person is Cindy Sheehan or her like.
I am damn proud of my service. I'm not so sure that I am damn proud of my country right now. But I will serve and continue to serve not for this particular president nor for our elected leaders but for the idea of America and the greatness of her past. For the hope that we find greatness again through true strength in our numbers and our common bonds. For that I'd wage war on her enemies, empty handed if need be.
With the utmost sincerity and respect,
GunnyR
I agree with RangerM9. I would never disparage the office of the President of the United States however he is a public servant, just like me. I did not agree with the arguments for the war, but I carried out my orders as quickly as possible and to the best of my abilities. I have no regrets and I believe that I went in there with both eyes wide open, which is to say that I expected to have been lied to and I was not surprised that end troop numbers were figured out by DOD bean counters while General Shinseki, who had the courage to tell the truth, was marginalized and eventually replaced.
I wholeheartedly agree with anyone that wants to protect the monuments from vandals and I would be right there with the rest of the vets protecting them. But I do not buy into the argument that to demand the troops get out of Iraq is somehow wrong. If anything, we should be finishing the fight in Afghanistan instead of relying on NATO to do it for us. Regardless, Iraq has weakened our military capabilites which puts us in greater danger, not less.
We got hit with terrorist attacks and instead of focusing on the things that have made America great, our fears were pandered to and used against us. The enemy jihadists consider every American their sworn enemy. Instead of allowing every American the means to defend themselves and the nation as a whole, we had more and more civil liberties taken away for the sake of national security. It boggles my mind that the best advice the rail service can give passengers is to call a number if they see something or someone they think is suspicious. We have gun-free school zones that are just ripe for Beslan type tactics because teachers can not arm themselves and no one questions this. And I cannot believe none of our politicians have realized that the Constitution of the United States contains all the legislation we need to defend ourselves and remain proud of who we are and what we stand for.
It is my greatest fear that for the sake of national security we have started on the path towards a totalitarion state and this administration will have paved the way. But we are certainly culpable because we have not held them accountable for their actions. And we certainly lose more than we gain if we do anything to stifle anyone's voice regarding the war and the way it has been prosecuted...even if that person is Cindy Sheehan or her like.
I am damn proud of my service. I'm not so sure that I am damn proud of my country right now. But I will serve and continue to serve not for this particular president nor for our elected leaders but for the idea of America and the greatness of her past. For the hope that we find greatness again through true strength in our numbers and our common bonds. For that I'd wage war on her enemies, empty handed if need be.
With the utmost sincerity and respect,
GunnyR
I think that we need a contributers' veterans and servicemen section....
not saying that you need to contribute, but it is a perk. our serveicemen should be rewarded, if only a small thing, if I can help.
would this be a good function to add to this petty little bbs??? I thnk it would be the least we could do for you all....
not saying that you need to contribute, but it is a perk. our serveicemen should be rewarded, if only a small thing, if I can help.
would this be a good function to add to this petty little bbs??? I thnk it would be the least we could do for you all....
Gunny I hear what you are saying and thanks for serving under what you consider to be bad leadership. I refuse to discuss that matter however. One, I hate to get involved in political, religious, or racial debates (these can not be won), and more importantly, Two, Just like Racegal said Ranger is missing the point if he thinks this thread is about stopping sheehan's march to the Pentagon or squelching her right to free speech. You guys please read again what she said. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE WAR OR THE ADMINISTRATION, IT'S ABOUT THE MEMORIALS, THE VIET NAM WALL IN PARTICULAR. My dad was there in Nam and didn't even meet me until 1969 when I was almost 4. He's got lots of buddies on that wall who never saw their loved ones again. Then when he came home he had a bunch of fucking hippies talkin shit about him and his friends like they had done something evil and wrong. Can you imagine what that would be like returning from the sandbox and having stupid people disrespect you and your dead friends like that and worse? I have no plans whatsoever to walk around carrying a sign or to waste my energy on that rediculous Jane Fonda wannabe or her cause. I will however, do whatever I can to keep some jerk from defacing sacred memorials after he gets all pumped up with sheehan's nonsense and gets out of control.
Ranger you guys have every right to stand behind her if that's what you believe, I'm not buying any of her crap (my opinion).
In retrospect, I see how this got started off wrong and I have renamed the thread to more accurately represent the purpose of this. I did ask for responses, "positive OR negative" so that could be misconstrued as an invitation to political debate. That wasn't my intention, sorry.
Here's a little political humor to try and ease the tension...lol.
An Archaelogical discovery at a site in Washington, DC could be the one of the greatest in history. The bones unearthed at this site were purported to be over 10,000 years old and are thought to be those of the first politician.
Click to view attachment
Ranger you guys have every right to stand behind her if that's what you believe, I'm not buying any of her crap (my opinion).
In retrospect, I see how this got started off wrong and I have renamed the thread to more accurately represent the purpose of this. I did ask for responses, "positive OR negative" so that could be misconstrued as an invitation to political debate. That wasn't my intention, sorry.
Here's a little political humor to try and ease the tension...lol.
An Archaelogical discovery at a site in Washington, DC could be the one of the greatest in history. The bones unearthed at this site were purported to be over 10,000 years old and are thought to be those of the first politician.
Click to view attachment
funny politician pic! Did you hear that Fonda bitch has the nerve to talk about war again after all she did to the Nam POW's?
Need back-up? I can arm 30+ volunteers if someone brings some steaks & beer...
Hey now you're talkin! Let's make it a dual purpose mission! Are there any places to shoot near Washington without being buried under the jail? We could get a bunch of Saigaholics together for our own little march! You and Juggernaut bring your better halfs and your Vet friends and I'll definately be there in full force! Can you even drive thru Maryland with cool guns in the truck?
Seriously with all the BS about a new AWB in the works we should consider assembling in HUGE show of support FOR what they cosider to be EVIL weapons of mass destruction. A couple of years ago on gunsnet someone was trying to put something like that together but it fizzled I think.
Seriously with all the BS about a new AWB in the works we should consider assembling in HUGE show of support FOR what they cosider to be EVIL weapons of mass destruction. A couple of years ago on gunsnet someone was trying to put something like that together but it fizzled I think.
QUOTE (dinzag @ Mar 1 2007, 09:19 AM)
Need back-up? I can arm 30+ volunteers if someone brings some steaks & beer...
Clio, Home of the Michigan Militia! J/K!
(it would be funnier if you knew the area!)
I thought D.C. was no guns!
Hello
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
Guido2 That's awesome man! I feel lucky to hang around cool people like you, even if it's only on the web. 
QUOTE (guido2 @ Mar 1 2007, 03:44 PM)
Hello
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
Guido2,
Man, I am DEEPLY humbled and honored by your incredibly generous offer.
It literally moved me to tears. Truly humbling.
I whole heartedly appreciate your patriotism and love of Country.
God has blessed me with my own small print shop and do my best to pursue the American dream.
I am by no means a rich man financially. ( I am bless with a wonderful family and friends and that is all the wealth I need.)
I am more than able to pay my own way If the Wife and I can take the time off.
I CAN NOT in good consciousness accept your offer, but PLEASE,PLEASE, PLEASE do not be offended.
I think your hard earned dollar could go so much farther at a V.A. Hospital or something of that nature.
Also know that if I am able to attend that I will be representing you and so many other countless patriots who wish to be there in spirit.
You are truly an incredible person with a golden heart and I thank you from the bottom of mine.
God Bless you Brother.
Semper Fi
Drew
QUOTE (Juggernaut @ Mar 1 2007, 03:57 PM)
QUOTE (guido2 @ Mar 1 2007, 03:44 PM)
Hello
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
Guido2,
Man, I am DEEPLY humbled and honored by your incredibly generous offer.
It literally moved me to tears. Truly humbling.
I whole heartedly appreciate your patriotism and love of Country.
God has blessed me with my own small print shop and do my best to pursue the American dream.
I am by no means a rich man financially. ( I am bless with a wonderful family and friends and that is all the wealth I need.)
I am more than able to pay my own way If the Wife and I can take the time off.
I CAN NOT in good consciousness accept your offer, but PLEASE,PLEASE, PLEASE do not be offended.
I think your hard earned dollar could go so much farther at a V.A. Hospital or something of that nature.
Also know that if I am able to attend that I will be representing you and so many other countless patriots who wish to be there in spirit.
You are truly an incredible person with a golden heart and I thank you from the bottom of mine.
God Bless you Brother.
Semper Fi
Drew
Hello, Juggernaut
Sir, I, in turn, am deeply humbled by your response.
How about those who may be in a financial bind if they elect to attend? I bet there are many who would go if the financial "edge" were softened a bit...In fact, I bet you meet folks there who may not be as fortunate but would sure appreciate someone recognizing that they could use a room to crash or whatever....Not to mention the unforseen costs of traveling there and staying reasonably comfortable for the duration.
And, if we, as a "group" could feel like we were maybe doing this together, well, I think it would be pretty cool....
Kudo's to you and all who are making the trek...Pretty noble endeavor!
Wit the utmost of respect,
Guido2 in Houston
A little psyche up vid perhaps?....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DHpJ2a6Qnk...ted&search=
Oh yeah...just for fun look at Juggernaut's avatar while this is playin! You can tell he's psyched!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DHpJ2a6Qnk...ted&search=
Oh yeah...just for fun look at Juggernaut's avatar while this is playin! You can tell he's psyched!
Hello
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
As far as I'm concerned, if you spread the word to as many people as you can, you've helped more than you'll ever know. We need as many people up there as we can get. It's too important. But I thank you for the offer.
I can not physically be there, but I would be proud to be able to help.
How 'bout if somebody who is going (Juggernaut, perhaps?) sets up a PayPal fund to help defray expenses for those who are going?
Those of us who are only able to be there in spirit can feel like we helped (if even just a little bit...)
I got $100.00 to start things off....
With the utmost respect,
Guido2 in Houston
As far as I'm concerned, if you spread the word to as many people as you can, you've helped more than you'll ever know. We need as many people up there as we can get. It's too important. But I thank you for the offer.
QUOTE (Cobra 76 two @ Mar 1 2007, 03:35 AM)
Gunny I hear what you are saying and thanks for serving under what you consider to be bad leadership. I refuse to discuss that matter however. One, I hate to get involved in political, religious, or racial debates (these can not be won), and more importantly, Two, Just like Racegal said Ranger is missing the point if he thinks this thread is about stopping sheehan's march to the Pentagon or squelching her right to free speech. You guys please read again what she said. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE WAR OR THE ADMINISTRATION, IT'S ABOUT THE MEMORIALS, THE VIET NAM WALL IN PARTICULAR. My dad was there in Nam and didn't even meet me until 1969 when I was almost 4. He's got lots of buddies on that wall who never saw their loved ones again. Then when he came home he had a bunch of fucking hippies talkin shit about him and his friends like they had done something evil and wrong. Can you imagine what that would be like returning from the sandbox and having stupid people disrespect you and your dead friends like that and worse? I have no plans whatsoever to walk around carrying a sign or to waste my energy on that rediculous Jane Fonda wannabe or her cause. I will however, do whatever I can to keep some jerk from defacing sacred memorials after he gets all pumped up with sheehan's nonsense and gets out of control.
Ranger you guys have every right to stand behind her if that's what you believe, I'm not buying any of her crap (my opinion).
In retrospect, I see how this got started off wrong and I have renamed the thread to more accurately represent the purpose of this. I did ask for responses, "positive OR negative" so that could be misconstrued as an invitation to political debate. That wasn't my intention, sorry.
Here's a little political humor to try and ease the tension...lol.
Ranger you guys have every right to stand behind her if that's what you believe, I'm not buying any of her crap (my opinion).
In retrospect, I see how this got started off wrong and I have renamed the thread to more accurately represent the purpose of this. I did ask for responses, "positive OR negative" so that could be misconstrued as an invitation to political debate. That wasn't my intention, sorry.
Here's a little political humor to try and ease the tension...lol.
Cobra, now that you have clarified the purpose of the thread, i'm with you 100% (actually i was on board with protection of the monuments from the beginnning as well).....I can't support suppressing anyone's right to free speech, pain me though it does at times...some people are such ignorant assholes that it is hard to tolerate, but even idiots have the right....
That's cool man, I could tell. Thanks for making me realize I had takin it off course from the very beginning.
QUOTE (GunnyR @ Mar 1 2007, 02:02 AM)
I wholeheartedly agree with anyone that wants to protect the monuments from vandals and I would be right there with the rest of the vets protecting them. But I do not buy into the argument that to demand the troops get out of Iraq is somehow wrong. If anything, we should be finishing the fight in Afghanistan instead of relying on NATO to do it for us. Regardless, Iraq has weakened our military capabilites which puts us in greater danger, not less.
We got hit with terrorist attacks and instead of focusing on the things that have made America great, our fears were pandered to and used against us. The enemy jihadists consider every American their sworn enemy. Instead of allowing every American the means to defend themselves and the nation as a whole, we had more and more civil liberties taken away for the sake of national security. It boggles my mind that the best advice the rail service can give passengers is to call a number if they see something or someone they think is suspicious. We have gun-free school zones that are just ripe for Beslan type tactics because teachers can not arm themselves and no one questions this. And I cannot believe none of our politicians have realized that the Constitution of the United States contains all the legislation we need to defend ourselves and remain proud of who we are and what we stand for.
It is my greatest fear that for the sake of national security we have started on the path towards a totalitarion state and this administration will have paved the way. But we are certainly culpable because we have not held them accountable for their actions. And we certainly lose more than we gain if we do anything to stifle anyone's voice regarding the war and the way it has been prosecuted...even if that person is Cindy Sheehan or her like.
GunnyR
We got hit with terrorist attacks and instead of focusing on the things that have made America great, our fears were pandered to and used against us. The enemy jihadists consider every American their sworn enemy. Instead of allowing every American the means to defend themselves and the nation as a whole, we had more and more civil liberties taken away for the sake of national security. It boggles my mind that the best advice the rail service can give passengers is to call a number if they see something or someone they think is suspicious. We have gun-free school zones that are just ripe for Beslan type tactics because teachers can not arm themselves and no one questions this. And I cannot believe none of our politicians have realized that the Constitution of the United States contains all the legislation we need to defend ourselves and remain proud of who we are and what we stand for.
It is my greatest fear that for the sake of national security we have started on the path towards a totalitarion state and this administration will have paved the way. But we are certainly culpable because we have not held them accountable for their actions. And we certainly lose more than we gain if we do anything to stifle anyone's voice regarding the war and the way it has been prosecuted...even if that person is Cindy Sheehan or her like.
GunnyR
GunnyR,
damn well put!
QUOTE (Cobra 76 two @ Mar 1 2007, 02:35 AM)
An Archaelogical discovery at a site in Washington, DC could be the one of the greatest in history. The bones unearthed at this site were purported to be over 10,000 years old and are thought to be those of the first politician.
Click to view attachment
Click to view attachment
And people always looked at me funny when I told them to aim low center mass!
Now I have hardcore scientific proof.
Hey Cobra thanks for renaming the thread and clarifying things!
hahahahah.
My back yard. I will be there. I may be opposed th W and his reign of stupidity--BUT the wall is SACRED!
When we came home we were abused by everyone-veterans,hippies, employers, .
NEVER AGAIN!
When we came home we were abused by everyone-veterans,hippies, employers, .
NEVER AGAIN!
Gunny R WELL SAID!
I have a couple couches if anyone needs a place to crash!
I have a couple couches if anyone needs a place to crash!
B)-->
QUOTE(G O B @ Mar 2 2007, 04:38 AM)
When we came home we were abused by everyone-veterans,hippies, employers, .[/quote]
...........and it wasn't just when we first got back, either.............. Finally ended up leaving VFW after 20 years because of the division within the post between WW II and Korean Conflict guys toward the Nam vets......... Treated us all like lepers and losers.......fellow veterans.........
We'll have to agree to disagree regarding "stupidity of the current administration" as regards the Iraq war, but IMHO if the Democrats get their way, these young Iraq vets will receive the same treatment that we Nam vets got........... I'd much rather see people abuse and spit on the Democrats, myself.
...........and it wasn't just when we first got back, either.............. Finally ended up leaving VFW after 20 years because of the division within the post between WW II and Korean Conflict guys toward the Nam vets......... Treated us all like lepers and losers.......fellow veterans.........
We'll have to agree to disagree regarding "stupidity of the current administration" as regards the Iraq war, but IMHO if the Democrats get their way, these young Iraq vets will receive the same treatment that we Nam vets got........... I'd much rather see people abuse and spit on the Democrats, myself.
QUOTE (Jeaux E @ Mar 2 2007, 08:22 AM)
IMHO if the Democrats get their way, these young Iraq vets will receive the same treatment that we Nam vets got........... I'd much rather see people abuse and spit on the Democrats, myself.
NEVER AGAIN
QUOTE (USpride @ Mar 2 2007, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE (Jeaux E @ Mar 2 2007, 08:22 AM)
IMHO if the Democrats get their way, these young Iraq vets will receive the same treatment that we Nam vets got........... I'd much rather see people abuse and spit on the Democrats, myself.
Not to be argumentative....and my response may be due to the fact that when most politicians come on TV, i change the channel... so forgive me if this one sounds ignorant...
I have not gotten the impression that the democrats this time around are planning to blame the soldiers for following their orders. I think most people learned in the last 30 years, you don't ever even think about blaming the soldier for carrying out the orders/ policy of the leadership - not if you every want to win any sort of office.
I know some really liberal people and not a one has mentioned hating our soldiers for doing what they are doing. However they all talk about getting our people home safe before any more are lost on a bad policy decission (ok they tend to be a bit more vocal than that). I am very much in the middle of the political spectrum.....i like it here.....however that means i will never have a presidential candidate i can without question support.....oh well, it also means that i hear it from both sides of the story from everyone around me at times......
QUOTE (RangerM9 @ Mar 3 2007, 12:24 AM)
QUOTE (USpride @ Mar 2 2007, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE (Jeaux E @ Mar 2 2007, 08:22 AM)
IMHO if the Democrats get their way, these young Iraq vets will receive the same treatment that we Nam vets got........... I'd much rather see people abuse and spit on the Democrats, myself.
Not to be argumentative....and my response may be due to the fact that when most politicians come on TV, i change the channel... so forgive me if this one sounds ignorant...
Done!
QUOTE (USpride @ Mar 3 2007, 10:22 AM)
QUOTE (RangerM9 @ Mar 3 2007, 12:24 AM)
QUOTE (USpride @ Mar 2 2007, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE (Jeaux E @ Mar 2 2007, 08:22 AM)
IMHO if the Democrats get their way, these young Iraq vets will receive the same treatment that we Nam vets got........... I'd much rather see people abuse and spit on the Democrats, myself.
Not to be argumentative....and my response may be due to the fact that when most politicians come on TV, i change the channel... so forgive me if this one sounds ignorant...
Done!
Hello
I think it's a safe bet that if Hitlery Klinton gets in, she will decimate not only the military but also the military persons' morale. At least she would try.....
Respectfully posted,
Guido2 in Houston
QUOTE (USpride @ Mar 3 2007, 12:22 PM)
QUOTE (RangerM9 @ Mar 3 2007, 12:24 AM)
QUOTE (USpride @ Mar 2 2007, 09:56 AM)
QUOTE (Jeaux E @ Mar 2 2007, 08:22 AM)
IMHO if the Democrats get their way, these young Iraq vets will receive the same treatment that we Nam vets got........... I'd much rather see people abuse and spit on the Democrats, myself.
Not to be argumentative....and my response may be due to the fact that when most politicians come on TV, i change the channel... so forgive me if this one sounds ignorant...
Done!
lol....guess i was asking for that.....
Seriously though, the left spectrum people i know have never given me any idication they harbor any malice towards the soldiers,......that is my own personal experience with the people i know........YMMV......of course i don't know the Clintons.....and per my above statement about changing the channel....Hillary induces pretty quick action with the remote.....some people just make ya itch when you see them......she is one of them for me.....
It's not a left or right issue. 'Nam era vets were screwed over by the right just as often-and it usually meant someone else got the job.
Support the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice. They are hero's-don't let anyone get ahead by steping on them.
Support the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice. They are hero's-don't let anyone get ahead by steping on them.
B)-->
QUOTE(G O B @ Mar 4 2007, 06:38 PM)
It's not a left or right issue. 'Nam era vets were screwed over by the right just as often-and it usually meant someone else got the job.
Support the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice. They are hero's-don't let anyone get ahead by steping on them.[/quote]
Nam vets were the first to "welcome" us home from the gulf war. (Beer 'n' pizza on the bus!)
I did not realize it at the time but I think they did it just as much for themselves as the did for us.
I hope this does not sound ungrateful because the welcome home meant so much to us.
It wasn't until I was out talking with a few of our Nam Vets in the league that it started to make sense.
G O B WELCOME HOME and THANK YOU!
Support the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice. They are hero's-don't let anyone get ahead by steping on them.[/quote]
Nam vets were the first to "welcome" us home from the gulf war. (Beer 'n' pizza on the bus!)
I did not realize it at the time but I think they did it just as much for themselves as the did for us.
I hope this does not sound ungrateful because the welcome home meant so much to us.
It wasn't until I was out talking with a few of our Nam Vets in the league that it started to make sense.
G O B WELCOME HOME and THANK YOU!
[quote name='Juggernaut' post='126904' date='Mar 4 2007, 06:52 PM']
--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G O B @ Mar 4 2007, 06:38 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's not a left or right issue. 'Nam era vets were screwed over by the right just as often-and it usually meant someone else got the job.
Support the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice. They are hero's-don't let anyone get ahead by steping on them.[/quote]
Nam vets were the first to "welcome" us home from the gulf war. (Beer 'n' pizza on the bus!)
I did not realize it at the time but I think they did it just as much for themselves as the did for us.
I hope this does not sound ungrateful because the welcome home meant so much to us.
It wasn't until I was out talking with a few of our Nam Vets in the league that it started to make sense.
G O B WELCOME HOME and THANK YOU!
[/quote]
Juggernaut wrote:
"I did not realize it at the time but I think they did it just as much for themselves as the did for us."
Juggernaut, believe me, I feel that one. Coming from someone who grew up in the late sixties and early seventies, all I can say is doing all I can do now to try to express my respect, thanks, and heartfelt appreciation is the best "medication for my guilt".
I did not serve (sidestepped the draft) and while I did not "dis" any Vet's, I sure didn't step up and do what I should have.
-Can't change history, but I can sure impact the future (mine, anyway...)
With the absolute utmost of respect and gratitude to all of you Vet's,
guido2 in Houston (hanging head...)
--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(G O B @ Mar 4 2007, 06:38 PM) </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It's not a left or right issue. 'Nam era vets were screwed over by the right just as often-and it usually meant someone else got the job.Support the ones that gave the ultimate sacrifice. They are hero's-don't let anyone get ahead by steping on them.[/quote]
Nam vets were the first to "welcome" us home from the gulf war. (Beer 'n' pizza on the bus!)
I did not realize it at the time but I think they did it just as much for themselves as the did for us.
I hope this does not sound ungrateful because the welcome home meant so much to us.
It wasn't until I was out talking with a few of our Nam Vets in the league that it started to make sense.
G O B WELCOME HOME and THANK YOU!
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Juggernaut wrote:
"I did not realize it at the time but I think they did it just as much for themselves as the did for us."
Juggernaut, believe me, I feel that one. Coming from someone who grew up in the late sixties and early seventies, all I can say is doing all I can do now to try to express my respect, thanks, and heartfelt appreciation is the best "medication for my guilt".
I did not serve (sidestepped the draft) and while I did not "dis" any Vet's, I sure didn't step up and do what I should have.
-Can't change history, but I can sure impact the future (mine, anyway...)
With the absolute utmost of respect and gratitude to all of you Vet's,
guido2 in Houston (hanging head...)
With the absolute utmost of respect and gratitude to all of you Vet's,
guido2 in Houston (hanging head...)
I'm with guido2.
guido2 in Houston (hanging head...)
I'm with guido2.
Hey- Don't thank me-i did my time on a PigBoat. No "jungle warefare" for me. We all got fucked over when we came back though.
Welcoming back our service men is a pleasure, and defending them our way of telling them THANK YOU!
Welcoming back our service men is a pleasure, and defending them our way of telling them THANK YOU!
QUOTE (Cobra 76 two @ Feb 25 2007, 08:52 PM)
Vietnam Vets Rally to Protect Memorial
By JENNIFER C. KERR
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 21, 2007; 11:30 PM
WASHINGTON -- Iraq war protesters are planning to converge on Washington next month and several organizations, including the POW-MIA group Rolling Thunder, are banding together to protect sacred ground for Vietnam War veterans.
The rally March 17 against the war, organizers say, is to get under way in a grassy park near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, known as the wall.
Two veterans' groups said Wednesday they fear protesters may deface the memorial, a claim dismissed by the demonstrating groups.
"We're going there to protect our memorial and show support for our troops," said Artie Muller, founder and executive director of Rolling Thunder.
Muller said he and other veterans grew concerned because during a January anti-war rally, some protesters spray-painted graffiti on the steps of the Capitol.
Richard Becker, a spokesman for the upcoming rally, said the organizations involved have no intention of desecrating the black granite memorial wall. "I think it's the spreading of myths and that's a polite way of putting it," Becker said.
The anti-war ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) Coalition is organizing the protest to coincide with the fourth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion, which was launched on March 20, 2003, in Iraq.
Becker declined to estimate the number of protesters expected. He said the crowd will include some Iraq war veterans and their families.
From the Vietnam War Memorial, the protesters plan to march to the Pentagon to demand an immediate withdrawal of U.S troops from Iraq.
Larry Bailey, a retired Navy captain, said he and other Vietnam veterans aim to guard entrance points to the wall to keep protesters away. "They stand for things that are a total anathema to those of us who were the next generation after the 'great generation,'" he said.
In late January, tens of thousands of protesters marched in a Washington anti-war demonstration. The rally drew celebrities including Jane Fonda and Sean Penn as well as active-duty service members.
A small group of demonstrators managed to spray-paint the steps on the west side of the Capitol. Capitol Police said the writing was cleaned off quickly.
By JENNIFER C. KERR
The Associated Press
Wednesday, February 21, 2007; 11:30 PM
WASHINGTON -- Iraq war protesters are planning to converge on Washington next month and several organizations, including the POW-MIA group Rolling Thunder, are banding together to protect sacred ground for Vietnam War veterans.
The rally March 17 against the war, organizers say, is to get under way in a grassy park near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial, known as the wall.
Two veterans' groups said Wednesday they fear protesters may deface the memorial, a claim dismissed by the demonstrating groups.
"We're going there to protect our memorial and show support for our troops," said Artie Muller, founder and executive director of Rolling Thunder.
Muller said he and other veterans grew concerned because during a January anti-war rally, some protesters spray-painted graffiti on the steps of the Capitol.
Richard Becker, a spokesman for the upcoming rally, said the organizations involved have no intention of desecrating the black granite memorial wall. "I think it's the spreading of myths and that's a polite way of putting it," Becker said.
The anti-war ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) Coalition is organizing the protest to coincide with the fourth anniversary of the U.S.-led invasion, which was launched on March 20, 2003, in Iraq.
Becker declined to estimate the number of protesters expected. He said the crowd will include some Iraq war veterans and their families.
From the Vietnam War Memorial, the protesters plan to march to the Pentagon to demand an immediate withdrawal of U.S troops from Iraq.
Larry Bailey, a retired Navy captain, said he and other Vietnam veterans aim to guard entrance points to the wall to keep protesters away. "They stand for things that are a total anathema to those of us who were the next generation after the 'great generation,'" he said.
In late January, tens of thousands of protesters marched in a Washington anti-war demonstration. The rally drew celebrities including Jane Fonda and Sean Penn as well as active-duty service members.
A small group of demonstrators managed to spray-paint the steps on the west side of the Capitol. Capitol Police said the writing was cleaned off quickly.
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