just wonderin'


saiga-12.com Staff edit:This topic will automatically close on 04-07-07 which is one week. please vote.

We value what you think.

I think 24 hours is a tad bit too long. I like 12 hours, but that is just me. I'd like to hear other opinions on the matter.

i dunno, at least an hour would be good. 2 hrs would be plenty for most occasions.


any limit does, however, eliminate the possibility of a nice, clean, perpetual for sale post in the marketplace.

...it even eliminates the possibility of tagging items with "SPF" in the marketplace.

I understand that you don't want people "changing history", but have there really been many problems with over-editing?

the point is to not wait for it to happen.

thank you for the question, and especially that it come from a contirbuter here.

we will never EXPIRE your subscriptions or donations here, UNLIKE the other places out there. it is money well spent. you will directly help with hosting fees, even if it is five bucks. your five bucks will make you a contributer, and you will ALWAYS have use of the for sale section, with that account.

I am writing a basic statement that the rest of the guys WILL look at and add to, and THEN WE will release it to you all in the next 24 hours. sometime sunday.

WTS, WTB and WTT sections should have extended editing timeframes, like at least two days.

Also, "Two hours, Twenty Four hours..." WTF? Is there no middle ground?

I put down a week, but actually like the old indefinate way. There are plenty of times when incorrect information is put in a post where it would be good to just be able to go back and delete it, or in some cases, add information without stringing the post along. The for sale thing is another good example, but I don't see the point of changing things, I don't see it as being broke in the first place.

I guess I don't understand the problem of guys editing their posts. I edit every one of mine about 3 times right after I post it.....fixing all the spelling and grammer errors. Now my posts are all going to look like a drunk posted them. ;-)

POST EDITED!

There is only one other forum that restricted the ability of people to edit their own posts, and shortly thereafter they lost participation and many other forums got new members. That forum has since gone back to its old policies on that and other things.

The problems with the prohibition are worse than the ones without. Posting and enforcing clear forum rules will do more to solve the problems.

Removing the editing feature is taking away a simple, common, and useful feature that everyone else offers. When mistakes can't be fixed and for-sale ads can't be updated without bumping, this forum will become less attractive and less competitive.

Recent issues, even though more or less resolved, have left a bad taste in people's mouths, and this forum needs to do everything possible to attract responsible members and take action against those who cause problems (as fits the occasion), not make everyone's life harder because of the actions of a few.

I agree,I like being able to fix my spelling errors,etc..I edit ALL my posts at least once or twice,right after I post them.

if it's spelling errors you guys are so fussed up about, the admin can simply add a spellchecker to the forum (easy as pie).

as far as i'm concerned, 30 minutes should be enough.

the problem if you let people edit too long after the actual post is that they'll change the content of the posts, thereby disrupting the history and flow of the thread (possibly rendering the following posts into incomprehensable gibberish).

sure, leave it to the european to favor heavier restrictions .... perhaps we should pay a per-post usage tax, as well? something along VAT lines?

(all in fun, of course)

+1




I doubt it would really be that catastrophic. Was it a problem before? Sometimes you just gotta give people the benefit of the doubt.

I like the old way, especially for tutorials. If you learn something new, or find that you had been wrong about some detail a few months down the road, it just makes more sense to edit the original post than to add a new comment to the end of the thread.

Are you guys willing to share any specific examples of the harm that has come from editing posts?

I vote to only restrict what is necessary. Don't fix what ain't broken, etc. But I edit my posts right after posting when I realize I only typed half the words in the sentence in my head.



*Mel Gibson voice* Freedom! F R E E D O M!!!!!!!!

I believe 24hr is a good compromise. Gives you plenty of time to catch any mistakes or even add a pic to your post . I am on another board that only gives you a couple of hrs which has aggravated me a few times.

Dude, I'm with you.

(in Arnold's voice) Sara Connor??.........

I say the for sale section should be longer, it just makes it easier when you are selling multiple items to edit the post.

not catastrophic, but simply annoying.

i've seen it happen 2-3 times since i've been here, but i dont really feel like wasting my time to dig it up (sorry squirrel).


even with the restrictions, you can still do that. just ask a mod to do that for you. i'm sure they'd be happy to comply if it is worthwhile information.



you know, that's what "preview post" is for.

forum discipline! (much like trigger discipline)

Any editing I may feel needs to be done to one of my posts/replies is done within a couple of minutes.

thats the thing. after a day, why WOULD you need to edit the posts?

we like to have record of for sale stuff here, it not only shows history of transactions and who sold what, but it also generates hits here. both of which, are good things. we also like to review past information to see fluctuations in the gun market, which you cannot do without a history of some kind to look at. how do you know what something is worth if you cannot look at past transactions? dont YOU all look on ebay at the completed auctions to see what something might be worth?

and FYI. in FULL reply, NOT the fast reply. there IS a spell checker. look in the upper right corner for the ABC box with a checkmark.

although I doubt it will fix drunken grammar mistakes.

That's my problem. Sometimes I'll come back a day later or after the weekend & while reading-up on new replies, I'll notice that I've left an entire word out of my post or something. So then I try to fix it & move on.

POST EDITED!

A lockdown on post editing is the easiest way to kill a forum.

My Grammar makes no drunken mistakes... She doesn't even drink! B^)

Never mind.

Has nothing to do with "forum discipline" because I speak in the same broken, recursive manner. Aethelbert said it better:



That said, I'll stay here regardless of whatever editing restrictions are added.

oh I can feel the love. nice signature, by the way, skull.

I am glad to see the lines of communication arent working. this is the first Ive heard of people complaining about the edit thing. the vote is WAY lopsided to the long term ANYWAY, which is why I thoguht I would ask the general public about what they thought.

I am glad I did, and glad you all are chiming in about it.

For the record, I think that the 2 people that made the above posts as well as just only a few others are realizing the very reason as to "why" this limit was placed to begin with...

Regardless of what my opinion may be on the subject as obviously it makes absolutely no difference to anyone as I’m just another "European dumb ass that knows nothing" (Thank You 44rdv4rk), I will put the EDIT button back on and we can all go back to reading "incomprehensible gibberish", especially in the WTS threads!!!

Cobra - I thank you for your "support"!

well, 24 hours seemed like a logical compromise, to me....

No, man! That would take away the right of reading "incomprehensible gibberish" and we cannot have that!!!

The edit button is back ON with no restrictions!!!

well, I tried to explain the theory to everyone, max. I guess it only makes sense to some of us. O well.

POST EDITED!

???? Not on my screen.


If overediting is becoming a problem in the for sale section couldn't there just be some new rules added? I know you guys just did that and probably don't want to add more, and I know that people don't always follow the rules, but... I don't know, just a thought I guess.

This isn't something worth getting upset about. As long as this forum remains informative and interesting, I'll keep reading and posting.

Max, I was just poking fun at SuA, our resident Belgian. And NOWHERE did I say y'all were dumb in any way. I was simply noting that European society in general favors regulation more than north american society does. There's no need to paint me as some sort of a bigot, thank you very much!

and for the record, i have no problem with belgium, Where would we be without waffles and Hercule Poirot ? edit: (another attempt at humor that will no doubt be a resounding failure to certain audiences)

To Cobra:

1. I have read your message loud and clear the first time!

2. If you want to say somthing to me, say it to me, not to "Max and Ben" - thank you for subdividing the forum the way you see fit!!!

3. Being a moderator, you knew the very "reasons" for the limit to begin with as it was discussed between the moderators prior to implementation.
You knew that the sole and none other reason for this limit was not to have the "incomprehensible gibberish" posts, and not limit anyone's freedom in anyway.
If you had any questions or were unclear about something you could have asked me directly - of all people you know how to get in touch with me! (obviously you just do not want to!)

It is very lovely to see you play this fucking game again with how "you care only about the people" speeches making indirect implies for everyone to read that I, retarded European, am the "bad guy" imposing unnecessary limits, and you, the "hero", did not have a clue about any of this!

As I said, to me, your first message was very clear!

...And as I said before, the edit button is back ON with no restrictions!

THANK you for restoring the editing feature. Let's everyone show our apprectation by making the most sensible contributions to this forum's discussions.

no offense taken from this side of the pond. i wanted to come up with a retort for your original message, but didn't want to derail this thread so i ducked & covered instead.

PS: you forgot belgian beer, FN Herstal and 'french' fries. very important, my friend.

There not "French"?????
SuA, you may be eurotrash, but you "our" eurotrash!

And Belgian chocolate. C'mon, can't pass that up.

As for the topic, it's not worth a fight.
If I leave a word out or type it twice in a row row & can't go back & fix it later, I don't really care. I'm kinda used to looking like an idiot now & then.
After all I've been living proof that something stupid is about to happen when a redneck says "Hey y'all, watch this!".

Thanks Makc - I love you! mucho appreciated!
I realize why it was turned off, but I'm glad it's back on.

Thanks for the words too Cobra - you need to get a handle on the racegal chick though.
Between being a Waltrip fan & supporting the no-editing thing she needs a stiff backhand!
(I kid, I kid! ) - Mikey's cool




edited: because I can!!!

I had a thought. If I'm outta line, let me know. But can you leave the edit button on the tech sections but limit it on the rest that isn't tech? There has to be a happy medium. I think debate is a healthy thing but this is turning into an argument and I hate to see that among friends. JMHO

I'm just jerking your chain...we're cool. I wasn't bashing your opinion.

I've been used to going back & fixing up my build threads & cleaning up & adding stuff.
All of those links in the tech section are just links from the general forum anyhow.

Generally it's been self policed & been fine & I'm resistant to change. The few abusers to the edit thing can have their privilages restricted & the rest of us are still Runnin' Free! (Hit it Steve!!!)

Damn reading the forum some times is better than reading
Greek tragedies.

POST EDITED!

Well I've seen it happen a few times where you couldn't follow the groove of the thread due to editing, but I think the good outweighs the bad.

you forget how many times the staff here have dropped the foot here. there has been some pretty damned outrageous shit deleted here. I can testity to that one...

...but most of it all is moderation duties anyway. I dont see why people are even complaining about the change that was UN made, after a 5 man decision.....

Reason i didnt like the short edits was i went back to update a pic in one of the picture post stickys and couldnt.My poor photo abilitys would be there forever for everyone to see..the horror,the horror

Dude, I haven't even addressed what you said yet! So what's wrong with Mikey? He's cool even though he can't seem to win races. I've been a fan of his since I started watching NASCAR. Seriously, no hard feelings. I was just trying to think of a way to make this problem go away with most people happy. I guess it's a non-issue now.

I like him actually - he's got a good sense of humor.
He's having a bad run at it this year so far.
I'm a big DEI/Gibbs/Chevy - non-Gordon nut...