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jcmfirearms
I just wanted to give folks a heads up on this dealer. The business is Elite Firearms in Hurst/Euless, Texas. He is pushing converted Saiga's on gunbroker and Guns America. After purchasing a weapon from him in the past the gun turned out to be put together poorly with damaged/rusted parts. After contacting him about it he refused to do anything about it. He stated all surplus parts have some pit rust on them and all sales are final. He is an obvious turd and any conversions should be purchased from TROMIX! I learned a valuable lesson on that deal!
micah360
Sorry man... that sucks ass...
Tigerclaw_x
The guy is a CROOK. HE promised me a VEPR II rifle. When I called in to see if he has one. He pretended to be one of his workers and told me that they are closing down the shop. Good thing that I didn't give him any money!!!
Bazooka
QUOTE (Tigerclaw_x @ Apr 5 2007, 05:20 PM) *
The guy is a CROOK. HE promised me a VEPR II rifle. When I called in to see if he has one. He pretended to be one of his workers and told me that they are closing down the shop. Good thing that I didn't give him any money!!!

I got burn by him too on a saiga .223, still have the rifle but its a single shot only! I payed over $800. bucks for it and now I'm going to have to sink alot more in it or sell it and take a lost!
csspecs
QUOTE (Bazooka @ Apr 5 2007, 08:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Tigerclaw_x @ Apr 5 2007, 05:20 PM) *
The guy is a CROOK. HE promised me a VEPR II rifle. When I called in to see if he has one. He pretended to be one of his workers and told me that they are closing down the shop. Good thing that I didn't give him any money!!!

I got burn by him too on a saiga .223, still have the rifle but its a single shot only! I payed over $800. bucks for it and now I'm going to have to sink alot more in it or sell it and take a lost!


Well whats wrong with it?

It is hard to screw up a saiga that bad, give me an idea of what is happening and maybe we can solve the problem.
Bazooka
QUOTE (csspecs @ Apr 5 2007, 09:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Bazooka @ Apr 5 2007, 08:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Tigerclaw_x @ Apr 5 2007, 05:20 PM) *
The guy is a CROOK. HE promised me a VEPR II rifle. When I called in to see if he has one. He pretended to be one of his workers and told me that they are closing down the shop. Good thing that I didn't give him any money!!!

I got burn by him too on a saiga .223, still have the rifle but its a single shot only! I payed over $800. bucks for it and now I'm going to have to sink alot more in it or sell it and take a lost!


Well whats wrong with it?

It is hard to screw up a saiga that bad, give me an idea of what is happening and maybe we can solve the problem.

well instead of a bullet guide, theirs a welded "blob"on the trunnion. I have try using all kinds of magazines with no luck. the rifle jams every other shot fired. and you wouldn't believe how long it took for me to get the rifle ship to me!
TonyRumore
It's going to be pretty damn tough to get in there will a dremel tool to grind that "blob" out. You will probably need to machine it out with an end mill and install a real bullet guide.

Tony
guido2
QUOTE (TonyRumore @ Apr 6 2007, 03:07 AM) *
It's going to be pretty damn tough to get in there will a dremel tool to grind that "blob" out. You will probably need to machine it out with an end mill and install a real bullet guide.

Tony


"Today, 03:07 AM"

Damn, Tony...You ever sleep?

Guido2 in Houston
TonyRumore
I went to bed at 8:00pm and got up at 2:30am to start work at the shop. I will be out all next week, and I have a bunch of loose ends to tie up.

Tony
csspecs
QUOTE
well instead of a bullet guide, theirs a welded "blob"on the trunnion


I stand corrected, it is possible to screw up a saiga that bad.
Bazooka
I was wondering if it would be possable to change the trunnion with another one I seen at K-var? God, I hope so.
Bvamp
if you are going to fix it, my advice, if you have to spend money to do it, is to send it to tony. he was a prototype machinist. it might take him a while to turn it around back to you, but the man has an incredible touch with metalwork. Im sure he would like to see what his competition's work looks like, as well. you can also try a local machine shop, and have the foreman do the work on it, but it'll cost ya, Im sure.

you might try a bit of epoxy to level out the blob into a ramp, just to see if that works. probably wont, but it might be an easy way to find out if that is the route to go with.


come to think of it, I have heard SO MUCH bad shit about this company, Im going to pin this fucking topic, and move it to the guest book section. I have half a mind to ban him here, as well. he has a user account here. I have heard what? one or two good stories about them, and a LARGE number of bad ones. people talking about the bad jobs they had done by him is NOT defamation, and I could give two craps what he has to say. this kind of business is bullshit, and people should know about it.

If anyone else out there has had good or bad experiences with them, please, by all means, take a minute and share them.
Bazooka
QUOTE (Bvamp @ Apr 7 2007, 01:06 AM) *
if you are going to fix it, my advice, if you have to spend money to do it, is to send it to tony. he was a prototype machinist. it might take him a while to turn it around back to you, but the man has an incredible touch with metalwork. Im sure he would like to see what his competition's work looks like, as well. you can also try a local machine shop, and have the foreman do the work on it, but it'll cost ya, Im sure.

come to think of it, I have heard SO MUCH bad shit about this company, Im going to pin this fucking topic, and move it to the guest book section. I have half a mind to ban him here, as well. he has a user account here. I have heard what? one or two good stories about them, and a LARGE number of bad ones. people talking about the bad jobs they had done by him is NOT defamation, and I could give two craps what he has to say. this kind of business is bullshit, and people should know about it.

If anyone else out there has had good or bad experiences with them, please, by all means, take a minute and share them.


Good Idea!!
Gary
QUOTE (Bazooka @ Apr 7 2007, 07:45 PM) *
QUOTE (Bvamp @ Apr 7 2007, 01:06 AM) *
if you are going to fix it, my advice, if you have to spend money to do it, is to send it to tony. he was a prototype machinist. it might take him a while to turn it around back to you, but the man has an incredible touch with metalwork. Im sure he would like to see what his competition's work looks like, as well. you can also try a local machine shop, and have the foreman do the work on it, but it'll cost ya, Im sure.

come to think of it, I have heard SO MUCH bad shit about this company, Im going to pin this fucking topic, and move it to the guest book section. I have half a mind to ban him here, as well. he has a user account here. I have heard what? one or two good stories about them, and a LARGE number of bad ones. people talking about the bad jobs they had done by him is NOT defamation, and I could give two craps what he has to say. this kind of business is bullshit, and people should know about it.

If anyone else out there has had good or bad experiences with them, please, by all means, take a minute and share them.


Good Idea!!


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Pointer
Go to any AK related forum and mention that name and 9 out of 10 responses will be negative.
klashki69
QUOTE (jcmfirearms @ Apr 5 2007, 05:43 PM) *
I just wanted to give folks a heads up on this dealer. The business is Elite Firearms in Hurst/Euless, Texas. He is pushing converted Saiga's on gunbroker and Guns America. After purchasing a weapon from him in the past the gun turned out to be put together poorly with damaged/rusted parts. After contacting him about it he refused to do anything about it. He stated all surplus parts have some pit rust on them and all sales are final. He is an obvious turd and any conversions should be purchased from TROMIX! I learned a valuable lesson on that deal!
klashki69
QUOTE (jcmfirearms @ Apr 5 2007, 05:43 PM) *
I just wanted to give folks a heads up on this dealer. The business is Elite Firearms in Hurst/Euless, Texas. He is pushing converted Saiga's on gunbroker and Guns America. After purchasing a weapon from him in the past the gun turned out to be put together poorly with damaged/rusted parts. After contacting him about it he refused to do anything about it. He stated all surplus parts have some pit rust on them and all sales are final. He is an obvious turd and any conversions should be purchased from TROMIX! I learned a valuable lesson on that deal!

Tromix builds quality, I can substantiate that with the .223 he built me and soon to have my .308 from him. It's worth the wait for piece of mind.
BattleRifleG3
"you can also try a local machine shop, and have the foreman do the work on it, but it'll cost ya, Im sure."

That would not be legal unless the shop had a gunsmith license, or unless you stayed there while the work was done.
AegisDei
Check the gun-broker ad. Unless there's a damn good disclaimer of warranty, you should have an action against him. I doubt you'd even have to take him to court, just a letter from a lawyer ought be enough. Or link me to his ads and I'll give it a quick glance.
Michael B
JCMFIREARMS and others:

I’m an SEO (search-engine-optimizer) and Web-Master--have many top five ranked web-sites. You can drill down and phone me…I can get complaints googled for this stated company.

When sharing/communicating alleged problem internet companies whether on forum or private web-sites it is best everyone state problems with no opinions as has been so!

Please don’t set Saiga-fourm—MackC-Up for litigation …be careful what you say! I know how to get this company googled with complaints! I will gladly use my top rated sites to let the public know what’s going on!
AegisDei
B)-->
QUOTE(Michael B @ Apr 11 2007, 10:47 PM) *
Please don’t set Saiga-fourm—MackC-Up for litigation …be careful what you say! I know how to get this company googled with complaints! I will gladly use my top rated sites to let the public know what’s going on![/quote]
Huh? I'm all about getting more information out, but what's subject for litigation? Opinions are protected.
WILSON
QUOTE
Go to any AK related forum and mention that name and 9 out of 10 responses will be negative.


It doesn't even have to be an AK forum, if this is about "Diamond Dave", he's been driving me nuts (& ruining perfectly good rifles) for years.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=432674 (please remove if cold links are against the rules)


At the opposite end of the spectrum,.. no matter where you go on the interweb - Tony's reputation is peerless! smile.gif




QUOTE
Damn, Tony...You ever sleep?


I’m pretty sure he doesn’t sleep – he regenerates! wink.gif
Cappie
QUOTE (WILSON @ Apr 19 2007, 04:45 PM) *
QUOTE
Go to any AK related forum and mention that name and 9 out of 10 responses will be negative.


It doesn't even have to be an AK forum, if this is about "Diamond Dave", he's been driving me nuts (& ruining perfectly good rifles) for years.

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=109&t=432674 (please remove if cold links are against the rules)


At the opposite end of the spectrum,.. no matter where you go on the interweb - Tony's reputation is peerless! smile.gif




QUOTE
Damn, Tony...You ever sleep?


I’m pretty sure he doesn’t sleep – he regenerates! wink.gif


Now if Tony could only clone himself 5-6 times so he could get his backlog down. rolleyes.gif
Tigerclaw_x
This gets even better. Remember, when he pretended that he closed his store? Well, I called him again, just for kicks. Asked him about the Galil rifle, asked him if he offers any warranty on them. He said "5 years warranty on a build", when I asked him "What about the parts, is he not responcible for what parts he puts in" he said "I don't want your business". Now, here is a question for you. What kind of a manufacturer would say something like that?
When I called Vector Arms and asked about their warranty, they gave me no such grief. Diamond Dave is a crook. At least he seems as one to me.
Aethelbert
QUOTE (WILSON @ Apr 19 2007, 05:45 PM) *
QUOTE
Damn, Tony...You ever sleep?


I’m pretty sure he doesn’t sleep – he regenerates! wink.gif


You mean... like the Borg on StarTrek Next Generation?
Twinsen
Hahaha, Elite Firearms is diamond dave. He's hilariously unpopular with everybody I've ever heard mention him. He trolls forums even. How is he still in business?!
Bvamp
thats a good question. it is a common question in the construction industry that I am a part of. I am REALLY seeing shitty craftsmenship now that I have gone to work down here in florida, not like I didnt expect it.

I have found the gun industry to be absolutely LOADED with schiesters, crooks, and assholes who know everything, and get (for instance) ammo at 10 cents a round and turn around and charge 30 cents a round for it. I have to bring my s12 around here to different shops to test them out and see who is honest when I ask them "what is this worth". you all know I aint selling it, but it will tell me twofold if I want to deal with them or not.
Mike Davidson
QUOTE (Twinsen @ Oct 19 2007, 03:27 AM) *
Hahaha, Elite Firearms is diamond dave. He's hilariously unpopular with everybody I've ever heard mention him. He trolls forums even. How is he still in business?!

He keep is business because there is just so damn many people in the world. He gets a few here and there that fail to do even minimal research on him. He is so full of shit it is crazy. He tried to get me to impusle buy a saiga-12 from him one time. I also resently reposted some of the complete BS this loser ass joke was trying to tell me about the saiga-12. Someone should follow him around with a rubber hose and just whip his ass bloody ever time he opens his mouth. Like, "S-T-F-U Daveee!"
dayan inikhaton
ai'nt nothing here some high velocity lead can't cure...
WarriorJudge
QUOTE (dayan inikhaton @ Oct 20 2007, 08:49 PM) *
ai'nt nothing here some high velocity lead can't cure...



When I first started looking at Saiga conversions about a month ago, Diamond Dave is one of the first guys I called. I was still gathering information at that time. Ultimately, I decided not to buy from him. Glad I did but I wish I would have found this thread first. When I was totally uniformed, what he had to say and sell sounded pretty good.

WJ
OVERKILL
QUOTE (Bvamp @ Apr 7 2007, 12:11 AM) *
if you are going to fix it, my advice, if you have to spend money to do it, is to send it to tony. he was a prototype machinist. it might take him a while to turn it around back to you, but the man has an incredible touch with metalwork. Im sure he would like to see what his competition's work looks like, as well. you can also try a local machine shop, and have the foreman do the work on it, but it'll cost ya, Im sure.

you might try a bit of epoxy to level out the blob into a ramp, just to see if that works. probably wont, but it might be an easy way to find out if that is the route to go with.


come to think of it, I have heard SO MUCH bad shit about this company, Im going to pin this fucking topic, and move it to the guest book section. I have half a mind to ban him here, as well. he has a user account here. I have heard what? one or two good stories about them, and a LARGE number of bad ones. people talking about the bad jobs they had done by him is NOT defamation, and I could give two craps what he has to say. this kind of business is bullshit, and people should know about it.

If anyone else out there has had good or bad experiences with them, please, by all means, take a minute and share them.








Holy Crap! I can't believe yall are talking about the same guy I just picked my gun up from. I went with him because he's about 30 min. down the road. Found him about 2 months ago, everytime I have ever talked to him, he's a super nice guy. I had him do a conversion on .308, took him about a month. I'm new, so I will try to post a picture. It turned out awesome, couldn't be happier with it, but you guys are scaring the shit out of me, because I left a S12 for the same configuration. But the Dave I've been talking to seems to be on the up and up and seems to be very proud of his work and from what I saw of his work on hand, I was very impressed. I'm sorry you guys had a bad experience with him, but if the S12 turns out to be as good as my .308, I will be doing more business with him for sure. Like I said, he is just down the road, so I have been doing business with him in person. I would love to have a Tromix, I'll will try to get on the waiting list for '09.
22_Shooter
QUOTE (OVERKILL @ Jan 4 2008, 12:51 AM) *
QUOTE (Bvamp @ Apr 7 2007, 12:11 AM) *
if you are going to fix it, my advice, if you have to spend money to do it, is to send it to tony. he was a prototype machinist. it might take him a while to turn it around back to you, but the man has an incredible touch with metalwork. Im sure he would like to see what his competition's work looks like, as well. you can also try a local machine shop, and have the foreman do the work on it, but it'll cost ya, Im sure.

you might try a bit of epoxy to level out the blob into a ramp, just to see if that works. probably wont, but it might be an easy way to find out if that is the route to go with.


come to think of it, I have heard SO MUCH bad shit about this company, Im going to pin this fucking topic, and move it to the guest book section. I have half a mind to ban him here, as well. he has a user account here. I have heard what? one or two good stories about them, and a LARGE number of bad ones. people talking about the bad jobs they had done by him is NOT defamation, and I could give two craps what he has to say. this kind of business is bullshit, and people should know about it.

If anyone else out there has had good or bad experiences with them, please, by all means, take a minute and share them.



You forgot to write something in your post 032.gif .
vepr545
QUOTE (Bvamp @ Apr 7 2007, 01:11 AM) *
if you are going to fix it, my advice, if you have to spend money to do it, is to send it to tony. he was a prototype machinist. it might take him a while to turn it around back to you, but the man has an incredible touch with metalwork. Im sure he would like to see what his competition's work looks like, as well. you can also try a local machine shop, and have the foreman do the work on it, but it'll cost ya, Im sure.

you might try a bit of epoxy to level out the blob into a ramp, just to see if that works. probably wont, but it might be an easy way to find out if that is the route to go with.


come to think of it, I have heard SO MUCH bad shit about this company, Im going to pin this fucking topic, and move it to the guest book section. I have half a mind to ban him here, as well. he has a user account here. I have heard what? one or two good stories about them, and a LARGE number of bad ones. people talking about the bad jobs they had done by him is NOT defamation, and I could give two craps what he has to say. this kind of business is bullshit, and people should know about it.

If anyone else out there has had good or bad experiences with them, please, by all means, take a minute and share them.


Not with them, but someone else, he sells on GunBrokers, I don't know how his feedback is positive and everyone rants and raves about his rifles, I even gave him a positive feedback, which was very premature, but that was before I took it to the range and field stripped it, "What a disater the inside of that rifle was"..

I don't know if I can mention names on here, and I'm not the type of person that likes hurting a business, but I feal obligated to speak my mind seeing how I spent $950 for a rifle from a manufacturer a couple months back, when I got it it wouldn't shoot at all, and the internals were full of grease, dirt, and carbon, this person claimed the rifle was brand new and built by him, If I wanted a crude greasy rifle I would have bought a WASR and saved $600, at least that would have worked the first time I shot it.. Anyways, point being, 1 month later, I end up getting my rifle back from repairs from him, at this point I'm furious, but I'm not gonna get into a pissing contest with the guy, I'll just Warn you all, and let it be your decision if you happen to come across his shit..

After I got it back from repairs I took it to the range and it worked, but at this point the rifle looks as used as hell, on a finish stand point. Just want to warn all my brothers and sisters, let me know Moderator if I'm free to speak, I would love to save someone their hard earned dollars from being flushed down the toilet.
1911
Vepr545, I am sure it is OK to post. It might be more appropriate in the Feedback - THE GOOD, BAD, UGLY located at http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showforum=44
1911
Cobb_50
wow. i just gave this guy a boatload of money. hopefully since i paid with a credit card, if my custom s-12 is junk ill just dispute the charges and fight back....
Cobra 76 two
I have seen some of Dave's work first hand that was really good. One of the most difficult S-12 conversions you can do is a Russian folding stock with the forward latch and the rear release / safety button. I have had some correspondence with him that was really bad. He was very rude and hard to get along with and I am not the type to not get along with good people. I have also seen some accounts (with pictures) of some of the work that came out of his shop that SUCKED! Now I'm sure that it wasn't Diamond Dave who actually butchered those guns, probably someone who was unhappy working for him and just punching a timeclock maybe...
unsure.gif
I will say though, that he has definitely turned out some very nice conversions and has the ability to do them when he really wants to....
Twinsen
QUOTE (Cobb_50 @ Feb 4 2008, 10:47 PM) *
wow. i just gave this guy a boatload of money. hopefully since i paid with a credit card, if my custom s-12 is junk ill just dispute the charges and fight back....

And credit card companies know business law, product fails to meet specifications, buyer gets money back. It hasn't taken me any effort in the past.
Leo@VKA
QUOTE (jcmfirearms @ Apr 5 2007, 04:48 PM) *
I just wanted to give folks a heads up on this dealer. The business is Elite Firearms in Hurst/Euless, Texas. He is pushing converted Saiga's on gunbroker and Guns America. After purchasing a weapon from him in the past the gun turned out to be put together poorly with damaged/rusted parts. After contacting him about it he refused to do anything about it. He stated all surplus parts have some pit rust on them and all sales are final. He is an obvious turd and any conversions should be purchased from TROMIX! I learned a valuable lesson on that deal!


if the weapon is not 922r compliant (Foreign parts) , report him to the BATF. that law has to be good for something. There might even be a reward
Vultite
hahaha, that guy is a noob, charges an arm and 2 legs for a conversion anyone can do
Genocide
Well, My latest S12 conversion for my brother has the gas ports misaligned, I dont have the tool and know-how to fix the problem. So my bro took the gun to Elite firearms to have the problem fixed. Apparently his idea is to mill a channel in the gas plug to allow more gas to flow through, instead of pressing the block and drilling/making holes bigger.

What do you guys think of this as a fix for the gun?
Gas Giant
anything that has the word "Mill" is going to cost more than the word "Drill"
That's a given.
The-collectorFL
I just found this thread, elite dave is one of three dealers I said have been buying up all the s-12's on gunbroker. as soon as they post he hits buy it now if it is in the 500-600 range and then just puts a grip and what sounds like crap parts for the 922. and sells them for 1000 not even a folder! another company sells them exactly like the weapons in the group buy are getting parts wise and they want 1800 and are selling the crap out of them.

IF YOU BOUGHT A WEAPON FROM HIM YOU BETTER MAKE DARN SURE THE FIRE CONTROL GROUP IS 922R SUCH AS A G2 FCG. IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW THAT IS YOUR HAMMER,TRIGGER AND DISCONNECTOR and make sure the grip is USA

BTW if you are wanting to do a conversion on your weapon it is very easy to buy a standard g2 set and modify the hammer yourself. I will post some pics to the thread were guys are converting to 922r. why pay 50 bucks for 25 dollar parts that can be altered correctly in 10 minutes with a set of calipers and proper grinding.

these guys are getting rich off others lack of know how. we need to change that now. the conversion process is monkey science. if I can do it anyone can. hell I had trouble setting my front site up on my iz108. it was an easy job that took a few words to explain and I had it. the conversion is just as easy.
GUYS,DONT PAY TO DO WHAT IS EASY AND REWARDING WORK YOU CAN DO YOURSELF. YOU WILL ALWAYS CARRY THAT PRIDE.
If you dont work on your own weapon dont waste your time in the BUGOUT BAG, BUGOUT THREADS SHTF because you are going to die if you dont try.....

Best Regards David
TonyRumore
David,

By the looks of the completely botched up conversions that I receive all the time, not everyone "can just do it". You are not doing anyone a favor when they end up with their gun in pieces and all fucked up.

If the person is handy with tools, its not a problem. But I have physical proof that not everyone is handy enough to get the job done in any reasonable fashion.

Tony

Cobra 76 two
I have to agree with Tony on this...no surprise huh?
Some retards can't even be trusted with a screwdriver, much less a dremel.

People who make money converting Saigas EARN every last cent. There are those who do it fairly, unlike dave, and don't use shitty century parts in their conversions. Also unlike dave, there are people out there who stand behind their work 110% and are very proud of it. To someone who has never even ventured as far as to change out the furniture on an SKS for example, it is a good feeling knowing they are getting a professional job done with a guarantee of satisfaction.

Not everyone is a ripoff artist like dave.

Also...if someone wants to buy a stock S-12 and do a nice conversion on it, then sell it at a fair price to fund another build, I don't see anything wrong with that. That's the American way.
WarriorJudge
018.gif I've got to agree with Tony and Cobra. I have no interest in working on a conversion. I have no time to do it. Yes, if I could do it, I would be proud of a job well done. But, some people just don't have the skills, tools or time to convert a Saiga. Unfortunately for me, I fall in that category. Fortunately, like many of you, I can pay to have a Professional do it. That is the American way.

WJ
Leo@VKA
QUOTE (WarriorJudge @ Mar 4 2008, 05:05 PM) *
018.gif I've got to agree with Tony and Cobra. I have no interest in working on a conversion. I have no time to do it. Yes, if I could do it, I would be proud of a job well done. But, some people just don't have the skills, tools or time to convert a Saiga. Unfortunately for me, I fall in that category. Fortunately, like many of you, I can pay to have a Professional do it. That is the American way.

WJ

God bless America
ugkbunb
I believe I saw this guys stand at the local Gunshow... not sure...

Hope the suckers gets shutdown, if hes selling non-922r compliant guns... shouldn't too hard.

Glad I read this thread... another company to put on my shitlist.
MD_Willington
Isn't he showcased in the latest SOF magazine or SWAT magazine?
powerbomb51
I called this guy today and he was a complete asshole on the phone. He'll never have my business.
six_anthonys
QUOTE (powerbomb51 @ May 10 2008, 07:06 PM) *
I called this guy today and he was a complete asshole on the phone. He'll never have my business.


We have purchased 3 Saiga's and 2 AMD-65's from Dave and have been pleased with his work. He can be difficult to deal with, but I live 15 minutes from his office. He is better if you make an appt with him thru his secretary.

6as
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