Jihad and the Collapse of the Swedish Model
By Fjordman
Created 2007-04-19 19:27
I decided to write this essay following the riots in Malmö this weekend. Malmö is Sweden's third largest city and by far the worst city in Scandinavia when it comes to Muslim aggression. I read recently that an Arab girl interviewed in Malmö said that she liked it so much there, it felt almost like an Arab city. Native Swedes have been moving away from the city for years, turned into refugees in their own country by Jihad, not too different from the non-Muslims in some regions of the Philippines, southern Thailand or Kashmir in India, or for that matter Christian Serbs in Kosovo.
Sweden was presented during the Cold War as a middle way between capitalism and Communism. When this model of a society collapses – and it will collapse, under the combined forces of Islamic Jihad, the European Union, Multiculturalism and ideological overstretch – it is thus not just the Swedish state that will collapse but the symbol of Sweden, the showcase of an entire ideological world view. I wrote two years ago that if the trend isn't stopped, the Swedish nation will simply cease to exist in any meaningful way during the first half of this century. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe, and the “Swedish model” will be one of warning against ideological madness, not one of admiration. I still fear I was right in that assessment.
Jonathan Friedman, an American living outside Malmö, mentions that the so-called Integration Act of 1997 proclaimed that “Sweden is a Multicultural society.” Notes to the Act also stated that “Since a large group of people have their origins in another country, the Swedish population lacks a common history. The relationship to Sweden and the support given to the fundamental values of society thus carry greater significance for integration than a common historical origin.”
Native Swedes have thus been reduced to just another ethnic group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Kurds or the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. The political authorities of the country have erased their own people's history and culture.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
This is a government that knows perfectly well that their people will become a minority in their own country, yet is doing nothing to stop this. On the contrary. Pierre Schori, Minister for immigration, during a parliamentary debate in 1997 said that: “Racism and xenophobia should be banned and chased [away],” and that one should not accept “excuses, such as that there were flaws in the immigration and refugee policies.”
In other words: It should be viewed as a crime for the native population not to assist in wiping themselves out.
Orback's attitude is what follows once you declare that culture is irrelevant. Our culture, even though we try to forget it, is steeped in a Judeo-Christian morality based on the Golden Rule of reciprocity: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” (Luke 6:31)
Muslims, on the other hand, are steeped in an Islamic tradition based on Muslim supremacy. Muslims view lack of force as a sign of weakness, and they despise weakness, which is precisely why Adolf Hitler stated his admiration for Islam, and thought it would be a better match for Nazism than Christianity, with its childish notions of compassion.
A Swedish man was nearly killed for the crime of wearing clothes with his own national flag while Sweden was participating in the 2006 football World Cup. Some “Multicultural youths” found this to be an intolerable provocation, and the 24-year-old man was run down by a car in Malmö, where Muhammad is becoming the most common name for newborn boys.
Feriz and Pajtim, members of Gangsta Albanian Thug Unit in Malmö, explain how they mug people downtown. They target a lone victim. “We surround him and beat and kick him until he no longer fights back,” Feriz said. “You are always many more people than your victims. Cowardly?” “I have heard that from many, but I disagree. The whole point is that they're not supposed to have a chance.” They didn't express any sympathy for their victims. "If they get injured, they just have themselves to blame for being weak," said Pajtim and shrugged.
The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant background in interviews with Petra Åkesson. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you're robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you've succeeded, it simply feels good.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to. The Swedes don't do anything, they just give us the stuff. They're so wimpy.”
“Exit Folkhemssverige - En samhällsmodells sönderfall” (Exit the People's Home of Sweden - The Downfall of a Model of Society) is a book from 2005 about immigration and the Swedish welfare state model dubbed “the people's home,” written by Jonathan Friedman, Ingrid Björkman, Jan Elfverson and Åke Wedin. According to them, the Swedish Multicultural elites see themselves first of all as citizens of the world. In order to emphasize and accentuate diversity, everything Swedish is deliberately disparaged. Opposition to this policy is considered a form of racism:
“The dominant ideology in Sweden, which has been made dominant by powerful methods of silencing and repression, is a totalitarian ideology, where the elites oppose the national aspect of the nation state. The problem is that the ethnic group that are described as Swedes implicitly are considered to be nationalists, and thereby are viewed as racists.”
The authors fear that the handling of the immigration policies has seriously eroded democracy because the citizens lose their loyalty towards a state they no longer consider their own. “Instead of increasing the active participation of citizens, the government has placed clear restrictions on freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of congregation.”
Mona Sahlin has held various posts in Social Democratic cabinets, among others as Minister for Democracy, Integration and Gender Equality. Sahlin has said that many Swedes are envious of immigrants because they, unlike the Swedes, have a culture, a history, something which ties them together. Notice how Swedish authorities first formally state that Swedes don't have a history or a culture, and then proceed to lament the fact that Swedes don't have a history or a culture. A neat trick.
Sahlin has also stated that: “If two equally qualified persons apply for a job at a workplace with few immigrants, the one called Muhammad should get the job. […] It should be considered an asset to have an ethnic background different from the Swedish one.” In 2004, she was quoted as saying that “A concerted effort that aims at educating Swedes that immigrants are a blessing to their country must be pursued,” stressing that her compatriots must accept that the new society is Multicultural. “Like it or not, this is the new Sweden.”
Mona Sahlin was elected leader of the Social Democratic Party, as thus a future contender for the post of Swedish Prime Minister, in 2007.
Why does the government dispense with the social contract and attack its own people like this? Well, for starters, because it can. Sweden is currently arguably the most politically repressive and totalitarian country in the Western world. It also has the highest tax rates. That could be a a coincidence, but I'm not sure that it is. The state has become so large and powerful that is has become an autonomous organism with a will of its own. The people are there to serve the state, not vice versa. And because state power penetrates every single corner of society, including the media, there are no places left to mount a defense if the state decides to attack you.
It has been said jokingly that while other countries are states with armies, Pakistan is an army with a state. Likewise, it could be argued that Sweden started out being a nation with a bureaucracy and ended up being a bureaucracy with a nation. In fact, the bureaucracy formally abolished the very nation it was supposed to serve. Its representatives are no longer leaders of a people, but caretakers preoccupied only with advancing their own careers through oiling and upholding, if possible expanding, the bureaucratic machinery.
Swedes pay the highest tax rates of any (supposedly) free nation, and for this they get flawed social security, non-existent physical security and a state apparatus dedicated to their destruction.
Anna Ekelund in the newspaper Aftonbladet writes that: “We are a people who allow ourselves to be insulted by the government on a daily basis. We are not expected to be capable of thinking for ourselves, of deciding what we will read, or managing our own money. […] Swedes are as co-dependent as an alcoholic's wife. Yet we do not hurry to the ballot box to remove the prevailing systems. Not because we don't want to but because too many of us have painted ourselves into their corners.”
Moreover, Swedes are keenly aware of the fact that their country is viewed by many outsiders as a “model society.” Sweden is a deeply ideological state dedicated to imposing a certain world view on its citizens, and because the state is ideological, dissenters are quite literally treated as enemies of the state.
In the book The New Totalitarians, the British historian Roland Huntford in the early 1970s pointed out that it was easier to establish the Fascist model of the corporate state in Sweden than in Mussolini's Italy for cultural reasons, since Sweden had a centralized bureaucracy whereas Italians are skeptical of state authority. Put simply: Swedes have tended to trust their bureaucrats, which no Italian in his right mind would ever do.
According to him, “The Swedes have a horror of controversy as something unpleasant, inefficient and vaguely immoral. They require for peace of mind, not confrontation, but consensus. Consensus guides everything: private conversation, intellectual life and the running of the State.”
The then Minister of Education, Mr. Ingvar Carlsson, defined the purpose of schooling: “It is to produce a well adjusted, good member of society. It teaches people to respect the consensus, and not to sabotage it” He also on one occasion said that “School is the spearhead of Socialism.” Mr. Carlsson was Swedish Prime Minister as late as 1996.
Mr. Carlsson's mentor in the Social Democratic Party and predecessor as Swedish Prime Minister (1969 to 1986), Mr. Olof Palme, openly flaunted his disregard, if not contempt for, Western civilization: “The Renaissance so-called? Western culture? What does it mean to us?” Under the watchful eye of the Labor movement, Swedish education has for decades mounted deliberate attacks on Western culture, making it look suspect.
According to Mr. Huntford, “When the Swedes change ideas, they do it to the full, leaving no room for criticism or reservation. The country lacks intellectual defences; anything new will conquer without resistance being offered.” The consensus “assumes that technological advancement is the sole path to happiness, and the Gross National Product the only measure of national success. It also assumes that the good of the collective at all times must take precedence over the good of the individual. It prescribes that the fundamentals of Swedish society must never be questioned or discussed.”
This is how Mrs Maj Bossom-Nordboe, then departmental chief of at the Directorate of Schools, expressed it: “It's useless to build up individuality, because unless people learned to adapt themselves to society, they would be unhappy. Liberty is not emphasized. Instead, we talk about the freedom to give up freedom. The accent is on the social function of children, and I will not deny that we emphasize the collective.”
Roland Huntford ended his book with a warning that this system of soft-totalitarianism could be exported to other countries. He has been proven right since:
“The Swedes have demonstrated how present techniques can be applied in ideal conditions. Sweden is a control experiment on an isolated and sterilized subject. Pioneers in the new totalitarianism, the Swedes are a warning of what probably lies in store for the rest of us, unless we take care to resist control and centralization, and unless we remember that politics are not to be delegated, but are the concern of the individual. The new totalitarians, dealing in persuasion and manipulation, must be more efficient than the old, who depended upon force.”
Following the September 2006 elections, Fredrik Reinfeldt became Prime Minister of Sweden, presiding over a center-right coalition government. This is, in my view, positive. Sweden has been described by some as a “one-party state,” since the Social Democrats have been in power for 65 of the last 74 years. However, the differences between the left-wing and the right-wing in Sweden are not always that big.
The last time these parties were in power, under the leadership of PM Carl Bildt from 1991 to 94, they presided over massive immigration, and have not been vocal in their opposition to the Multicultural policies since. The new Foreign Minister Bildt as a UN Commissioner to the Balkans called for recognizing Islam as a part of European culture.
PM Reinfeldt has stated that the original Swedish culture was merely barbarism: “It can sometimes be good to humbly remind of the fact that a great deal of what constitutes Sweden has been created in [a process of] evolution, exactly because we have been open to accept other people and experiences.”
Reinfeldt said this following a visit to an area called Ronna in Södertälje, near Stockholm. One year earlier a police station in Södertälje was hit by shots from an automatic weapon following a major confrontation between immigrant youths and police. The trouble in Ronna started after a Swedish girl had been called a “whore” and reacted to this. Ethnologist Maria Bäckman, in her study “Whiteness and gender,” has followed a group of Swedish girls in the immigrant suburb of Rinkeby outside Stockholm. Bäckman relates that several of the blond Swedish girls stated that they had dyed their hair to avoid sexual harassment.
I have called Sweden a soft-totalitarian country, but I am sometimes not so sure about the “soft” part. Opinion polls have revealed that two out of three Swedes doubt whether Islam can be combined with Swedish society, and a very significant proportion of the population have for years wanted more limitations on immigration. Yet not one party represented in Parliament is genuinely critical of the Multicultural society.
Is it just a coincidence that the one country on the European continent that has avoided war for the longest period of time, Sweden, is also arguably the one Western nation where Political Correctness has reached the worst heights? Maybe the prolonged period of peace has created an environment where layers of ideological nonsense have been allowed to pile up for generations without stop. I don't know what Sweden will look like a generation from now, but I'm pretty sure it won't be viewed as a model society. And if the absence of war is one of the causes of its current weakness, I fear that is a problem that will soon be cured.
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Jihad and the Collapse of the Swedish Model
By Fjordman
Created 2007-04-19 19:27
I decided to write this essay following the riots in Malmö this weekend. Malmö is Sweden's third largest city and by far the worst city in Scandinavia when it comes to Muslim aggression. I read recently that an Arab girl interviewed in Malmö said that she liked it so much there, it felt almost like an Arab city. Native Swedes have been moving away from the city for years, turned into refugees in their own country by Jihad, not too different from the non-Muslims in some regions of the Philippines, southern Thailand or Kashmir in India, or for that matter Christian Serbs in Kosovo.
Sweden was presented during the Cold War as a middle way between capitalism and Communism. When this model of a society collapses – and it will collapse, under the combined forces of Islamic Jihad, the European Union, Multiculturalism and ideological overstretch – it is thus not just the Swedish state that will collapse but the symbol of Sweden, the showcase of an entire ideological world view. I wrote two years ago that if the trend isn't stopped, the Swedish nation will simply cease to exist in any meaningful way during the first half of this century. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe, and the “Swedish model” will be one of warning against ideological madness, not one of admiration. I still fear I was right in that assessment.
Jonathan Friedman, an American living outside Malmö, mentions that the so-called Integration Act of 1997 proclaimed that “Sweden is a Multicultural society.” Notes to the Act also stated that “Since a large group of people have their origins in another country, the Swedish population lacks a common history. The relationship to Sweden and the support given to the fundamental values of society thus carry greater significance for integration than a common historical origin.”
Native Swedes have thus been reduced to just another ethnic group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Kurds or the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. The political authorities of the country have erased their own people's history and culture.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
This is a government that knows perfectly well that their people will become a minority in their own country, yet is doing nothing to stop this. On the contrary. Pierre Schori, Minister for immigration, during a parliamentary debate in 1997 said that: “Racism and xenophobia should be banned and chased [away],” and that one should not accept “excuses, such as that there were flaws in the immigration and refugee policies.”
In other words: It should be viewed as a crime for the native population not to assist in wiping themselves out.
Orback's attitude is what follows once you declare that culture is irrelevant. Our culture, even though we try to forget it, is steeped in a Judeo-Christian morality based on the Golden Rule of reciprocity: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” (Luke 6:31)
Muslims, on the other hand, are steeped in an Islamic tradition based on Muslim supremacy. Muslims view lack of force as a sign of weakness, and they despise weakness, which is precisely why Adolf Hitler stated his admiration for Islam, and thought it would be a better match for Nazism than Christianity, with its childish notions of compassion.
A Swedish man was nearly killed for the crime of wearing clothes with his own national flag while Sweden was participating in the 2006 football World Cup. Some “Multicultural youths” found this to be an intolerable provocation, and the 24-year-old man was run down by a car in Malmö, where Muhammad is becoming the most common name for newborn boys.
Feriz and Pajtim, members of Gangsta Albanian Thug Unit in Malmö, explain how they mug people downtown. They target a lone victim. “We surround him and beat and kick him until he no longer fights back,” Feriz said. “You are always many more people than your victims. Cowardly?” “I have heard that from many, but I disagree. The whole point is that they're not supposed to have a chance.” They didn't express any sympathy for their victims. "If they get injured, they just have themselves to blame for being weak," said Pajtim and shrugged.
The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant background in interviews with Petra Åkesson. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you're robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you've succeeded, it simply feels good.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to. The Swedes don't do anything, they just give us the stuff. They're so wimpy.”
“Exit Folkhemssverige - En samhällsmodells sönderfall” (Exit the People's Home of Sweden - The Downfall of a Model of Society) is a book from 2005 about immigration and the Swedish welfare state model dubbed “the people's home,” written by Jonathan Friedman, Ingrid Björkman, Jan Elfverson and Åke Wedin. According to them, the Swedish Multicultural elites see themselves first of all as citizens of the world. In order to emphasize and accentuate diversity, everything Swedish is deliberately disparaged. Opposition to this policy is considered a form of racism:
“The dominant ideology in Sweden, which has been made dominant by powerful methods of silencing and repression, is a totalitarian ideology, where the elites oppose the national aspect of the nation state. The problem is that the ethnic group that are described as Swedes implicitly are considered to be nationalists, and thereby are viewed as racists.”
The authors fear that the handling of the immigration policies has seriously eroded democracy because the citizens lose their loyalty towards a state they no longer consider their own. “Instead of increasing the active participation of citizens, the government has placed clear restrictions on freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of congregation.”
Mona Sahlin has held various posts in Social Democratic cabinets, among others as Minister for Democracy, Integration and Gender Equality. Sahlin has said that many Swedes are envious of immigrants because they, unlike the Swedes, have a culture, a history, something which ties them together. Notice how Swedish authorities first formally state that Swedes don't have a history or a culture, and then proceed to lament the fact that Swedes don't have a history or a culture. A neat trick.
Sahlin has also stated that: “If two equally qualified persons apply for a job at a workplace with few immigrants, the one called Muhammad should get the job. […] It should be considered an asset to have an ethnic background different from the Swedish one.” In 2004, she was quoted as saying that “A concerted effort that aims at educating Swedes that immigrants are a blessing to their country must be pursued,” stressing that her compatriots must accept that the new society is Multicultural. “Like it or not, this is the new Sweden.”
Mona Sahlin was elected leader of the Social Democratic Party, as thus a future contender for the post of Swedish Prime Minister, in 2007.
Why does the government dispense with the social contract and attack its own people like this? Well, for starters, because it can. Sweden is currently arguably the most politically repressive and totalitarian country in the Western world. It also has the highest tax rates. That could be a a coincidence, but I'm not sure that it is. The state has become so large and powerful that is has become an autonomous organism with a will of its own. The people are there to serve the state, not vice versa. And because state power penetrates every single corner of society, including the media, there are no places left to mount a defense if the state decides to attack you.
It has been said jokingly that while other countries are states with armies, Pakistan is an army with a state. Likewise, it could be argued that Sweden started out being a nation with a bureaucracy and ended up being a bureaucracy with a nation. In fact, the bureaucracy formally abolished the very nation it was supposed to serve. Its representatives are no longer leaders of a people, but caretakers preoccupied only with advancing their own careers through oiling and upholding, if possible expanding, the bureaucratic machinery.
Swedes pay the highest tax rates of any (supposedly) free nation, and for this they get flawed social security, non-existent physical security and a state apparatus dedicated to their destruction.
Anna Ekelund in the newspaper Aftonbladet writes that: “We are a people who allow ourselves to be insulted by the government on a daily basis. We are not expected to be capable of thinking for ourselves, of deciding what we will read, or managing our own money. […] Swedes are as co-dependent as an alcoholic's wife. Yet we do not hurry to the ballot box to remove the prevailing systems. Not because we don't want to but because too many of us have painted ourselves into their corners.”
Moreover, Swedes are keenly aware of the fact that their country is viewed by many outsiders as a “model society.” Sweden is a deeply ideological state dedicated to imposing a certain world view on its citizens, and because the state is ideological, dissenters are quite literally treated as enemies of the state.
In the book The New Totalitarians, the British historian Roland Huntford in the early 1970s pointed out that it was easier to establish the Fascist model of the corporate state in Sweden than in Mussolini's Italy for cultural reasons, since Sweden had a centralized bureaucracy whereas Italians are skeptical of state authority. Put simply: Swedes have tended to trust their bureaucrats, which no Italian in his right mind would ever do.
According to him, “The Swedes have a horror of controversy as something unpleasant, inefficient and vaguely immoral. They require for peace of mind, not confrontation, but consensus. Consensus guides everything: private conversation, intellectual life and the running of the State.”
The then Minister of Education, Mr. Ingvar Carlsson, defined the purpose of schooling: “It is to produce a well adjusted, good member of society. It teaches people to respect the consensus, and not to sabotage it” He also on one occasion said that “School is the spearhead of Socialism.” Mr. Carlsson was Swedish Prime Minister as late as 1996.
Mr. Carlsson's mentor in the Social Democratic Party and predecessor as Swedish Prime Minister (1969 to 1986), Mr. Olof Palme, openly flaunted his disregard, if not contempt for, Western civilization: “The Renaissance so-called? Western culture? What does it mean to us?” Under the watchful eye of the Labor movement, Swedish education has for decades mounted deliberate attacks on Western culture, making it look suspect.
According to Mr. Huntford, “When the Swedes change ideas, they do it to the full, leaving no room for criticism or reservation. The country lacks intellectual defences; anything new will conquer without resistance being offered.” The consensus “assumes that technological advancement is the sole path to happiness, and the Gross National Product the only measure of national success. It also assumes that the good of the collective at all times must take precedence over the good of the individual. It prescribes that the fundamentals of Swedish society must never be questioned or discussed.”
This is how Mrs Maj Bossom-Nordboe, then departmental chief of at the Directorate of Schools, expressed it: “It's useless to build up individuality, because unless people learned to adapt themselves to society, they would be unhappy. Liberty is not emphasized. Instead, we talk about the freedom to give up freedom. The accent is on the social function of children, and I will not deny that we emphasize the collective.”
Roland Huntford ended his book with a warning that this system of soft-totalitarianism could be exported to other countries. He has been proven right since:
“The Swedes have demonstrated how present techniques can be applied in ideal conditions. Sweden is a control experiment on an isolated and sterilized subject. Pioneers in the new totalitarianism, the Swedes are a warning of what probably lies in store for the rest of us, unless we take care to resist control and centralization, and unless we remember that politics are not to be delegated, but are the concern of the individual. The new totalitarians, dealing in persuasion and manipulation, must be more efficient than the old, who depended upon force.”
Following the September 2006 elections, Fredrik Reinfeldt became Prime Minister of Sweden, presiding over a center-right coalition government. This is, in my view, positive. Sweden has been described by some as a “one-party state,” since the Social Democrats have been in power for 65 of the last 74 years. However, the differences between the left-wing and the right-wing in Sweden are not always that big.
The last time these parties were in power, under the leadership of PM Carl Bildt from 1991 to 94, they presided over massive immigration, and have not been vocal in their opposition to the Multicultural policies since. The new Foreign Minister Bildt as a UN Commissioner to the Balkans called for recognizing Islam as a part of European culture.
PM Reinfeldt has stated that the original Swedish culture was merely barbarism: “It can sometimes be good to humbly remind of the fact that a great deal of what constitutes Sweden has been created in [a process of] evolution, exactly because we have been open to accept other people and experiences.”
Reinfeldt said this following a visit to an area called Ronna in Södertälje, near Stockholm. One year earlier a police station in Södertälje was hit by shots from an automatic weapon following a major confrontation between immigrant youths and police. The trouble in Ronna started after a Swedish girl had been called a “whore” and reacted to this. Ethnologist Maria Bäckman, in her study “Whiteness and gender,” has followed a group of Swedish girls in the immigrant suburb of Rinkeby outside Stockholm. Bäckman relates that several of the blond Swedish girls stated that they had dyed their hair to avoid sexual harassment.
I have called Sweden a soft-totalitarian country, but I am sometimes not so sure about the “soft” part. Opinion polls have revealed that two out of three Swedes doubt whether Islam can be combined with Swedish society, and a very significant proportion of the population have for years wanted more limitations on immigration. Yet not one party represented in Parliament is genuinely critical of the Multicultural society.
Is it just a coincidence that the one country on the European continent that has avoided war for the longest period of time, Sweden, is also arguably the one Western nation where Political Correctness has reached the worst heights? Maybe the prolonged period of peace has created an environment where layers of ideological nonsense have been allowed to pile up for generations without stop. I don't know what Sweden will look like a generation from now, but I'm pretty sure it won't be viewed as a model society. And if the absence of war is one of the causes of its current weakness, I fear that is a problem that will soon be cured.
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By Fjordman
Created 2007-04-19 19:27
I decided to write this essay following the riots in Malmö this weekend. Malmö is Sweden's third largest city and by far the worst city in Scandinavia when it comes to Muslim aggression. I read recently that an Arab girl interviewed in Malmö said that she liked it so much there, it felt almost like an Arab city. Native Swedes have been moving away from the city for years, turned into refugees in their own country by Jihad, not too different from the non-Muslims in some regions of the Philippines, southern Thailand or Kashmir in India, or for that matter Christian Serbs in Kosovo.
Sweden was presented during the Cold War as a middle way between capitalism and Communism. When this model of a society collapses – and it will collapse, under the combined forces of Islamic Jihad, the European Union, Multiculturalism and ideological overstretch – it is thus not just the Swedish state that will collapse but the symbol of Sweden, the showcase of an entire ideological world view. I wrote two years ago that if the trend isn't stopped, the Swedish nation will simply cease to exist in any meaningful way during the first half of this century. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe, and the “Swedish model” will be one of warning against ideological madness, not one of admiration. I still fear I was right in that assessment.
Jonathan Friedman, an American living outside Malmö, mentions that the so-called Integration Act of 1997 proclaimed that “Sweden is a Multicultural society.” Notes to the Act also stated that “Since a large group of people have their origins in another country, the Swedish population lacks a common history. The relationship to Sweden and the support given to the fundamental values of society thus carry greater significance for integration than a common historical origin.”
Native Swedes have thus been reduced to just another ethnic group in Sweden, with no more claim to the country than the Kurds or the Somalis who arrived there last Thursday. The political authorities of the country have erased their own people's history and culture.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
This is a government that knows perfectly well that their people will become a minority in their own country, yet is doing nothing to stop this. On the contrary. Pierre Schori, Minister for immigration, during a parliamentary debate in 1997 said that: “Racism and xenophobia should be banned and chased [away],” and that one should not accept “excuses, such as that there were flaws in the immigration and refugee policies.”
In other words: It should be viewed as a crime for the native population not to assist in wiping themselves out.
Orback's attitude is what follows once you declare that culture is irrelevant. Our culture, even though we try to forget it, is steeped in a Judeo-Christian morality based on the Golden Rule of reciprocity: “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.” (Luke 6:31)
Muslims, on the other hand, are steeped in an Islamic tradition based on Muslim supremacy. Muslims view lack of force as a sign of weakness, and they despise weakness, which is precisely why Adolf Hitler stated his admiration for Islam, and thought it would be a better match for Nazism than Christianity, with its childish notions of compassion.
A Swedish man was nearly killed for the crime of wearing clothes with his own national flag while Sweden was participating in the 2006 football World Cup. Some “Multicultural youths” found this to be an intolerable provocation, and the 24-year-old man was run down by a car in Malmö, where Muhammad is becoming the most common name for newborn boys.
Feriz and Pajtim, members of Gangsta Albanian Thug Unit in Malmö, explain how they mug people downtown. They target a lone victim. “We surround him and beat and kick him until he no longer fights back,” Feriz said. “You are always many more people than your victims. Cowardly?” “I have heard that from many, but I disagree. The whole point is that they're not supposed to have a chance.” They didn't express any sympathy for their victims. "If they get injured, they just have themselves to blame for being weak," said Pajtim and shrugged.
The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed is part of a “war against the Swedes.” This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant background in interviews with Petra Åkesson. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.” This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.” The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you're robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you've succeeded, it simply feels good.” “We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to. The Swedes don't do anything, they just give us the stuff. They're so wimpy.”
“Exit Folkhemssverige - En samhällsmodells sönderfall” (Exit the People's Home of Sweden - The Downfall of a Model of Society) is a book from 2005 about immigration and the Swedish welfare state model dubbed “the people's home,” written by Jonathan Friedman, Ingrid Björkman, Jan Elfverson and Åke Wedin. According to them, the Swedish Multicultural elites see themselves first of all as citizens of the world. In order to emphasize and accentuate diversity, everything Swedish is deliberately disparaged. Opposition to this policy is considered a form of racism:
“The dominant ideology in Sweden, which has been made dominant by powerful methods of silencing and repression, is a totalitarian ideology, where the elites oppose the national aspect of the nation state. The problem is that the ethnic group that are described as Swedes implicitly are considered to be nationalists, and thereby are viewed as racists.”
The authors fear that the handling of the immigration policies has seriously eroded democracy because the citizens lose their loyalty towards a state they no longer consider their own. “Instead of increasing the active participation of citizens, the government has placed clear restrictions on freedom of thought, freedom of speech and freedom of congregation.”
Mona Sahlin has held various posts in Social Democratic cabinets, among others as Minister for Democracy, Integration and Gender Equality. Sahlin has said that many Swedes are envious of immigrants because they, unlike the Swedes, have a culture, a history, something which ties them together. Notice how Swedish authorities first formally state that Swedes don't have a history or a culture, and then proceed to lament the fact that Swedes don't have a history or a culture. A neat trick.
Sahlin has also stated that: “If two equally qualified persons apply for a job at a workplace with few immigrants, the one called Muhammad should get the job. […] It should be considered an asset to have an ethnic background different from the Swedish one.” In 2004, she was quoted as saying that “A concerted effort that aims at educating Swedes that immigrants are a blessing to their country must be pursued,” stressing that her compatriots must accept that the new society is Multicultural. “Like it or not, this is the new Sweden.”
Mona Sahlin was elected leader of the Social Democratic Party, as thus a future contender for the post of Swedish Prime Minister, in 2007.
Why does the government dispense with the social contract and attack its own people like this? Well, for starters, because it can. Sweden is currently arguably the most politically repressive and totalitarian country in the Western world. It also has the highest tax rates. That could be a a coincidence, but I'm not sure that it is. The state has become so large and powerful that is has become an autonomous organism with a will of its own. The people are there to serve the state, not vice versa. And because state power penetrates every single corner of society, including the media, there are no places left to mount a defense if the state decides to attack you.
It has been said jokingly that while other countries are states with armies, Pakistan is an army with a state. Likewise, it could be argued that Sweden started out being a nation with a bureaucracy and ended up being a bureaucracy with a nation. In fact, the bureaucracy formally abolished the very nation it was supposed to serve. Its representatives are no longer leaders of a people, but caretakers preoccupied only with advancing their own careers through oiling and upholding, if possible expanding, the bureaucratic machinery.
Swedes pay the highest tax rates of any (supposedly) free nation, and for this they get flawed social security, non-existent physical security and a state apparatus dedicated to their destruction.
Anna Ekelund in the newspaper Aftonbladet writes that: “We are a people who allow ourselves to be insulted by the government on a daily basis. We are not expected to be capable of thinking for ourselves, of deciding what we will read, or managing our own money. […] Swedes are as co-dependent as an alcoholic's wife. Yet we do not hurry to the ballot box to remove the prevailing systems. Not because we don't want to but because too many of us have painted ourselves into their corners.”
Moreover, Swedes are keenly aware of the fact that their country is viewed by many outsiders as a “model society.” Sweden is a deeply ideological state dedicated to imposing a certain world view on its citizens, and because the state is ideological, dissenters are quite literally treated as enemies of the state.
In the book The New Totalitarians, the British historian Roland Huntford in the early 1970s pointed out that it was easier to establish the Fascist model of the corporate state in Sweden than in Mussolini's Italy for cultural reasons, since Sweden had a centralized bureaucracy whereas Italians are skeptical of state authority. Put simply: Swedes have tended to trust their bureaucrats, which no Italian in his right mind would ever do.
According to him, “The Swedes have a horror of controversy as something unpleasant, inefficient and vaguely immoral. They require for peace of mind, not confrontation, but consensus. Consensus guides everything: private conversation, intellectual life and the running of the State.”
The then Minister of Education, Mr. Ingvar Carlsson, defined the purpose of schooling: “It is to produce a well adjusted, good member of society. It teaches people to respect the consensus, and not to sabotage it” He also on one occasion said that “School is the spearhead of Socialism.” Mr. Carlsson was Swedish Prime Minister as late as 1996.
Mr. Carlsson's mentor in the Social Democratic Party and predecessor as Swedish Prime Minister (1969 to 1986), Mr. Olof Palme, openly flaunted his disregard, if not contempt for, Western civilization: “The Renaissance so-called? Western culture? What does it mean to us?” Under the watchful eye of the Labor movement, Swedish education has for decades mounted deliberate attacks on Western culture, making it look suspect.
According to Mr. Huntford, “When the Swedes change ideas, they do it to the full, leaving no room for criticism or reservation. The country lacks intellectual defences; anything new will conquer without resistance being offered.” The consensus “assumes that technological advancement is the sole path to happiness, and the Gross National Product the only measure of national success. It also assumes that the good of the collective at all times must take precedence over the good of the individual. It prescribes that the fundamentals of Swedish society must never be questioned or discussed.”
This is how Mrs Maj Bossom-Nordboe, then departmental chief of at the Directorate of Schools, expressed it: “It's useless to build up individuality, because unless people learned to adapt themselves to society, they would be unhappy. Liberty is not emphasized. Instead, we talk about the freedom to give up freedom. The accent is on the social function of children, and I will not deny that we emphasize the collective.”
Roland Huntford ended his book with a warning that this system of soft-totalitarianism could be exported to other countries. He has been proven right since:
“The Swedes have demonstrated how present techniques can be applied in ideal conditions. Sweden is a control experiment on an isolated and sterilized subject. Pioneers in the new totalitarianism, the Swedes are a warning of what probably lies in store for the rest of us, unless we take care to resist control and centralization, and unless we remember that politics are not to be delegated, but are the concern of the individual. The new totalitarians, dealing in persuasion and manipulation, must be more efficient than the old, who depended upon force.”
Following the September 2006 elections, Fredrik Reinfeldt became Prime Minister of Sweden, presiding over a center-right coalition government. This is, in my view, positive. Sweden has been described by some as a “one-party state,” since the Social Democrats have been in power for 65 of the last 74 years. However, the differences between the left-wing and the right-wing in Sweden are not always that big.
The last time these parties were in power, under the leadership of PM Carl Bildt from 1991 to 94, they presided over massive immigration, and have not been vocal in their opposition to the Multicultural policies since. The new Foreign Minister Bildt as a UN Commissioner to the Balkans called for recognizing Islam as a part of European culture.
PM Reinfeldt has stated that the original Swedish culture was merely barbarism: “It can sometimes be good to humbly remind of the fact that a great deal of what constitutes Sweden has been created in [a process of] evolution, exactly because we have been open to accept other people and experiences.”
Reinfeldt said this following a visit to an area called Ronna in Södertälje, near Stockholm. One year earlier a police station in Södertälje was hit by shots from an automatic weapon following a major confrontation between immigrant youths and police. The trouble in Ronna started after a Swedish girl had been called a “whore” and reacted to this. Ethnologist Maria Bäckman, in her study “Whiteness and gender,” has followed a group of Swedish girls in the immigrant suburb of Rinkeby outside Stockholm. Bäckman relates that several of the blond Swedish girls stated that they had dyed their hair to avoid sexual harassment.
I have called Sweden a soft-totalitarian country, but I am sometimes not so sure about the “soft” part. Opinion polls have revealed that two out of three Swedes doubt whether Islam can be combined with Swedish society, and a very significant proportion of the population have for years wanted more limitations on immigration. Yet not one party represented in Parliament is genuinely critical of the Multicultural society.
Is it just a coincidence that the one country on the European continent that has avoided war for the longest period of time, Sweden, is also arguably the one Western nation where Political Correctness has reached the worst heights? Maybe the prolonged period of peace has created an environment where layers of ideological nonsense have been allowed to pile up for generations without stop. I don't know what Sweden will look like a generation from now, but I'm pretty sure it won't be viewed as a model society. And if the absence of war is one of the causes of its current weakness, I fear that is a problem that will soon be cured.
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Great article. The above highlighted quote struck me. It's this kind of idiot in this country that's going to get us all killed.
Like, DAAAAAMMMMMMMNN.
I had no idea things were like that in Sweden. Sheesh.... sounds as though they are only one step-away from becoming the human species equivalent of Star Trek's BORG race (minus the weapons).
Thank you DeGroaner! This was truly an educational read. Mind if I inquire as to what prompted you to research this? Or... was this simply an article you happened across that you thought worthwhile sharing here in the forums? (just curious is all)
Hell, back "in the days of my youth" via the education that I received compliments of our illustrious U.S. education system, the only things I now seem to recall about Sweden and Swedes is.... They have always claimed neutrality during war.... skiing and winter activities there was reportedly fantastic.... and arguably one of their most noteworthy claims to fame was: damned gorgeous blonde hair, blue eyed, buxomy BABES!!!
Goes to show ya what a warped youth I had.
I had no idea things were like that in Sweden. Sheesh.... sounds as though they are only one step-away from becoming the human species equivalent of Star Trek's BORG race (minus the weapons).
Thank you DeGroaner! This was truly an educational read. Mind if I inquire as to what prompted you to research this? Or... was this simply an article you happened across that you thought worthwhile sharing here in the forums? (just curious is all)
Hell, back "in the days of my youth" via the education that I received compliments of our illustrious U.S. education system, the only things I now seem to recall about Sweden and Swedes is.... They have always claimed neutrality during war.... skiing and winter activities there was reportedly fantastic.... and arguably one of their most noteworthy claims to fame was: damned gorgeous blonde hair, blue eyed, buxomy BABES!!!
Goes to show ya what a warped youth I had.
Scary. We cant let these poeple disarm us.
QUOTE (Gary @ May 2 2007, 04:55 PM)
Like, DAAAAAMMMMMMMNN.
I had no idea things were like that in Sweden. Sheesh.... sounds as though they are only one step-away from becoming the human species equivalent of Star Trek's BORG race (minus the weapons).
Thank you DeGroaner! This was truly an educational read. Mind if I inquire as to what prompted you to research this? Or... was this simply an article you happened across that you thought worthwhile sharing here in the forums? (just curious is all)
Hell, back "in the days of my youth" via the education that I received compliments of our illustrious U.S. education system, the only things I now seem to recall about Sweden and Swedes is.... They have always claimed neutrality during war.... skiing and winter activities there was reportedly fantastic.... and arguably one of their most noteworthy claims to fame was: damned gorgeous blonde hair, blue eyed, buxomy BABES!!!
Goes to show ya what a warped youth I had.
I had no idea things were like that in Sweden. Sheesh.... sounds as though they are only one step-away from becoming the human species equivalent of Star Trek's BORG race (minus the weapons).
Thank you DeGroaner! This was truly an educational read. Mind if I inquire as to what prompted you to research this? Or... was this simply an article you happened across that you thought worthwhile sharing here in the forums? (just curious is all)
Hell, back "in the days of my youth" via the education that I received compliments of our illustrious U.S. education system, the only things I now seem to recall about Sweden and Swedes is.... They have always claimed neutrality during war.... skiing and winter activities there was reportedly fantastic.... and arguably one of their most noteworthy claims to fame was: damned gorgeous blonde hair, blue eyed, buxomy BABES!!!
Goes to show ya what a warped youth I had.
I've long been fascinated by the denial people were living in during thirties regarding the Germans and the death and destruction that resulted. I find it even more interesting that so many people are willing to allow it to happen again. Especially over a record low 3000 and something KIAs and the fact that Saddam was able to ditch his WMDs that EVERYONE knew he had and had used before we invaded. My purpose in posting this here is best demonstrated in Ironhead's post. I want Americans to pay attention to Europe's next two decades so we don't walk the same path.
Hello
I believe the fall of Europe will be the indicator that will be impossible to ignore.
I also fear that when that occurs, it will be too late for us. We may be irrevocably down the same path by then.
I worry for my children and their children.
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
I believe the fall of Europe will be the indicator that will be impossible to ignore.
I also fear that when that occurs, it will be too late for us. We may be irrevocably down the same path by then.
I worry for my children and their children.
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
QUOTE (DaGroaner @ May 2 2007, 04:57 PM)
I've long been fascinated by the denial people were living in during thirties regarding the Germans and the death and destruction that resulted. I find it even more interesting that so many people are willing to allow it to happen again. Especially over a record low 3000 and something KIAs and the fact that Saddam was able to ditch his WMDs that EVERYONE knew he had and had used before we invaded. My purpose in posting this here is best demonstrated in Ironhead's post. I want Americans to pay attention to Europe's next two decades so we don't walk the same path.
Well....sad to say but I wouldn't hold your breath regarding Americans paying any great deal of attention to the goings-on in Europe and with the EU. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not condoning our lack of interest (if I may speak in generalities).
I absolutely agree with you 110%.
My own personal lack of involvement or interest in following the news about events over there (i.e., in Sweden and the Scandanavian countries) is arguably indicative of most Americans.... not a defense mind you... simply an honest assessment (obviously, I could be wrong... wouldn't be the first time).
I bookmarked that website you listed as SOURCE for the article. At first look it appears to be a terrific news source for happenings across the great pond. Naturally, I had to smile when I noticed the Brussels web-blog site implied somewhere within it that it reports on behalf of "conservatives"....which makes it a hellva easier to read and understand....
(Then again, I just went back to try and find where I read that.... and bloody-hell, now I can't!)Thanks again DeGroaner. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
QUOTE (Gary @ May 2 2007, 09:25 PM)
QUOTE (DaGroaner @ May 2 2007, 04:57 PM)
I've long been fascinated by the denial people were living in during thirties regarding the Germans and the death and destruction that resulted. I find it even more interesting that so many people are willing to allow it to happen again. Especially over a record low 3000 and something KIAs and the fact that Saddam was able to ditch his WMDs that EVERYONE knew he had and had used before we invaded. My purpose in posting this here is best demonstrated in Ironhead's post. I want Americans to pay attention to Europe's next two decades so we don't walk the same path.
Well....sad to say but I wouldn't hold your breath regarding Americans paying any great deal of attention to the goings-on in Europe and with the EU. Please don't misunderstand me, I'm not condoning our lack of interest (if I may speak in generalities).
I absolutely agree with you 110%.
My own personal lack of involvement or interest in following the news about events over there (i.e., in Sweden and the Scandanavian countries) is arguably indicative of most Americans.... not a defense mind you... simply an honest assessment (obviously, I could be wrong... wouldn't be the first time).
I bookmarked that website you listed as SOURCE for the article. At first look it appears to be a terrific news source for happenings across the great pond. Naturally, I had to smile when I noticed the Brussels web-blog site implied somewhere within it that it reports on behalf of "conservatives"....which makes it a hellva easier to read and understand....
(Then again, I just went back to try and find where I read that.... and bloody-hell, now I can't!)Thanks again DeGroaner. I thoroughly enjoyed this.
You'd be surprised how many are paying attention. Everyone in the political group I'm in does. We definately keep tabs on what the Muslims of the world are doing. Haven't seen this and will be forwarding it.
Excellent read and information. Many thanks for sharing.
QUOTE (Racegal55 @ May 2 2007, 05:52 PM)
You'd be surprised how many are paying attention. Everyone in the political group I'm in does. We definately keep tabs on what the Muslims of the world are doing. Haven't seen this and will be forwarding it.
Okay then. I'm surprised.
The country remains pure and true to its roots only as long as it maintains those roots. USA is a country of: native americans, Anglo Saxon conquistadors, african slaves and everyone else who joined afterwards. Sounds pretty vicious, yes. I know. This is not the point. For a long time, US let in only people of European, and, to lesser extend Asian descent. Latinos were not allowed in, neither were many africans allowed in. The country did quite well, with the peak of its wealth and growth of Middle class was in 60s and 70s. After that, the borders were opened for EVERYONE, and things went rapidly downhill from there.
"Give me your unwanted and miserable". Yeah, you can't build a solid house with bad bricks. Each society has something called "assimilation capacity", you should not let more people in the those it is able to assimilate.
In USA, which has no common religion and no multicentury history, such assimilation is very low. In Chicago, there are Italian Neighbourhoods, Greek Town, Ukrainian Village, India Town, Polish Town. Most people there, even though they are 2nd and 3rd generations STAY WITH THEIR OWN. Polish people proudly fly POLISH flags on their cars and houses, even though they are born in USA. When my cousin married an Italian, both, her and his parents were not very happy, since they viewd their future "inlaw" as "not one of us". However, Nicko learned some Russian, my cousin Natasha learned some Italian, to please his parents she converted to Catholisism, to please her parents, they selebrate all Russian Holydays as well as italian ones. This is NOT a melting pot. It is a huge salad bar. Russians are mostly friends with Russians. Italians and Polish also keep to their own kind.
I dated a japanese girl and her father (Who was BORN here) asked me to break up the relationship because he wanted her to date "Her own kind". We, largely, do not mix. I am an exception, however I have strong prefferences as to whom to deal with: I will deal with an Italian, Germans, Irish, Polish, Asian or Black person before I will deal with a Latino or Anglosaxon. I will deal with Russians (not jews from Russia, but RUSSIANS) more prefferentially then I will deal with others. My cats veterenarian is a Polish guy. He gives me big discounts, just because my grandmother was polish and I speak the language a bit, and I have a Polish last name (just like many people in Ukraine). He says "We, Europeans, should help each other here." and he was BORN here. Long time ago, just after I graduated college a man gave me a job. He was French Canadian, but he gave me a job because he considered me, and himself "EUROPEAN" and not American or Canadian. He kept repeating to me "Never forget your roots". Similarly, the black guy who took me under his wing and taught me everything about what USA is in reality and not in Hollywood and other propaganda, he told me "You are European. Never forget that. Be proud of that. Never try to be like white folks here. They will never forget that you are Russian. They were taught to hate and distrust your kind, just like they were taught to hate and fear my kind."
We do not have melting pot here. We have a salad bar.
In Sweeden, they did have a melting pot.. However, each melting pot has a capacity to digest what is thrown in. The capacity depends on the WILLINGNESS of the population to assimilate to a certain degree at least.
Muslims often REFUSE to assimilate. Unlike people like me, they do not even have a basic respect for the culture that they came into. I cheer for whatever Hockey team that has more Russian players in it. However, I would never DREAM of attacking someone who cheers for the opposite team. There is a good principle: Live and Let Live. Muslims refuse to follow it. There is a good principle: When in Rome, do as Romans. Muslims do not follow it.
We must take a hard look at what kind of people we let in. Legally or otherwise. The latino influx have not done anything good to our culture except more glorification of "thug life".
They even refuse to learn the language. Just as I write those words, my co worker is loudly speaking Spanish on the phone with her friends. When I noted to her, few months back, that "We really should speak English, since we are in USA." She flipped and gave me a ghetto tude about "This is a free country and she will speak the language that she is damned pleased". Needless to say that despite being born here, all her friends are latino, she openly stated that she will never date anyone outside of her "raza" and that most americans are "strange and uptight" and that they just "Don't get it" the same way as Latinos.
Need I continue? We have people who refuse even to "go through the motions" of giving respect to the country they live in.
I said it on this very forum: Europe, once again will spread its legs before the aggressor and assume the position that in Russian is called "Knee and elbow" position. Of course, this time, it will not be a "brown plague" it will be a "green plague", of course, once again, USA and Russia will have to bail them out and spill the blood of their soldiers to stop the islamic expantion.
However, unlike in 40s, USA is NOT united. Not only the racial rifts have been deepened between black and whites, we have latinos introduced in that mix, which didn't stabilise the situation any.
In Europe, sooner or later, the pendillum will either swing the other way, and the ultra right nazis will come to power, or the old whore Europe, still dreaming for its former glory, will end up a province of a New Islamic Haliphat.
Here, the same will happen, except here, we have a third rout: we either will get swamped by latinos and muslims, we lashback at them and end up with a civil war on our hands, or we go the Brazil way and just breed with each other. I doubt that we will breed with each other and turn into brazil like race. We can't even get white folks to assimilate fully in 2-3 generations. The race war is a very scary, yet the racial tensions exists, the attitudes of blacks and Latinos and muslims (Nation of Islam) are not very constructive and the frustration that white folks feel that has been pent up too much. Something gotta give. If it doesn't. We will end up overran by Latinos and Muslims, that will be the end of USA. Even now you need Spanish language. Imagine how it will be in 15 years if the immigration and immigrant breeding rates do not slow down?
Scary, no?
"Give me your unwanted and miserable". Yeah, you can't build a solid house with bad bricks. Each society has something called "assimilation capacity", you should not let more people in the those it is able to assimilate.
In USA, which has no common religion and no multicentury history, such assimilation is very low. In Chicago, there are Italian Neighbourhoods, Greek Town, Ukrainian Village, India Town, Polish Town. Most people there, even though they are 2nd and 3rd generations STAY WITH THEIR OWN. Polish people proudly fly POLISH flags on their cars and houses, even though they are born in USA. When my cousin married an Italian, both, her and his parents were not very happy, since they viewd their future "inlaw" as "not one of us". However, Nicko learned some Russian, my cousin Natasha learned some Italian, to please his parents she converted to Catholisism, to please her parents, they selebrate all Russian Holydays as well as italian ones. This is NOT a melting pot. It is a huge salad bar. Russians are mostly friends with Russians. Italians and Polish also keep to their own kind.
I dated a japanese girl and her father (Who was BORN here) asked me to break up the relationship because he wanted her to date "Her own kind". We, largely, do not mix. I am an exception, however I have strong prefferences as to whom to deal with: I will deal with an Italian, Germans, Irish, Polish, Asian or Black person before I will deal with a Latino or Anglosaxon. I will deal with Russians (not jews from Russia, but RUSSIANS) more prefferentially then I will deal with others. My cats veterenarian is a Polish guy. He gives me big discounts, just because my grandmother was polish and I speak the language a bit, and I have a Polish last name (just like many people in Ukraine). He says "We, Europeans, should help each other here." and he was BORN here. Long time ago, just after I graduated college a man gave me a job. He was French Canadian, but he gave me a job because he considered me, and himself "EUROPEAN" and not American or Canadian. He kept repeating to me "Never forget your roots". Similarly, the black guy who took me under his wing and taught me everything about what USA is in reality and not in Hollywood and other propaganda, he told me "You are European. Never forget that. Be proud of that. Never try to be like white folks here. They will never forget that you are Russian. They were taught to hate and distrust your kind, just like they were taught to hate and fear my kind."
We do not have melting pot here. We have a salad bar.
In Sweeden, they did have a melting pot.. However, each melting pot has a capacity to digest what is thrown in. The capacity depends on the WILLINGNESS of the population to assimilate to a certain degree at least.
Muslims often REFUSE to assimilate. Unlike people like me, they do not even have a basic respect for the culture that they came into. I cheer for whatever Hockey team that has more Russian players in it. However, I would never DREAM of attacking someone who cheers for the opposite team. There is a good principle: Live and Let Live. Muslims refuse to follow it. There is a good principle: When in Rome, do as Romans. Muslims do not follow it.
We must take a hard look at what kind of people we let in. Legally or otherwise. The latino influx have not done anything good to our culture except more glorification of "thug life".
They even refuse to learn the language. Just as I write those words, my co worker is loudly speaking Spanish on the phone with her friends. When I noted to her, few months back, that "We really should speak English, since we are in USA." She flipped and gave me a ghetto tude about "This is a free country and she will speak the language that she is damned pleased". Needless to say that despite being born here, all her friends are latino, she openly stated that she will never date anyone outside of her "raza" and that most americans are "strange and uptight" and that they just "Don't get it" the same way as Latinos.
Need I continue? We have people who refuse even to "go through the motions" of giving respect to the country they live in.
I said it on this very forum: Europe, once again will spread its legs before the aggressor and assume the position that in Russian is called "Knee and elbow" position. Of course, this time, it will not be a "brown plague" it will be a "green plague", of course, once again, USA and Russia will have to bail them out and spill the blood of their soldiers to stop the islamic expantion.
However, unlike in 40s, USA is NOT united. Not only the racial rifts have been deepened between black and whites, we have latinos introduced in that mix, which didn't stabilise the situation any.
In Europe, sooner or later, the pendillum will either swing the other way, and the ultra right nazis will come to power, or the old whore Europe, still dreaming for its former glory, will end up a province of a New Islamic Haliphat.
Here, the same will happen, except here, we have a third rout: we either will get swamped by latinos and muslims, we lashback at them and end up with a civil war on our hands, or we go the Brazil way and just breed with each other. I doubt that we will breed with each other and turn into brazil like race. We can't even get white folks to assimilate fully in 2-3 generations. The race war is a very scary, yet the racial tensions exists, the attitudes of blacks and Latinos and muslims (Nation of Islam) are not very constructive and the frustration that white folks feel that has been pent up too much. Something gotta give. If it doesn't. We will end up overran by Latinos and Muslims, that will be the end of USA. Even now you need Spanish language. Imagine how it will be in 15 years if the immigration and immigrant breeding rates do not slow down?
Scary, no?
The Swedes are very diffrent from the other European countries and not really liked by some people in the other Nordic countries for their lobotomized mentality and silly history. There is a reason for that. They supported the Nazies back in WWII though the called them selves neutral. Bofors made guns for the Nazies and German engines used a lot of Swedish components. They let the German army go through theyr "neutral" country to invade Norway and commit atrocities. The reason some of theyr neighbours don´t like em much. After the war they are often noted as one of the worlds biggest maker of land mines, the country that made a loser friendly social system and kept it, the country that gave us ABBA and Ace of Base, the most Greenpeace-P.E.T.A. pro people in the world, and just really made us feel stunned and disgusted. But then again I have known some nice and fine people from Sweden, like I guess I could find in any country. Some of them actually went and fought the russians with the Finns during WWII wich I admire them for. Heck, I even had a Swedish girlfriend for 5 years. But the attitude and mentality of these people generally annoy the hell out of me. In conclusion : Nice people, but rather silly.
P.S. But worst of all, their language is just so fucking gay!
Cheers!
P.S. But worst of all, their language is just so fucking gay!
Cheers!
QUOTE (Tigerclaw_x @ May 3 2007, 02:15 PM)
... Anglo Saxon conquistadors...
... I am an exception, however I have strong prefferences as to whom to deal with: I will deal with an Italian, Germans, Irish, Polish, Asian or Black person before I will deal with a Latino or Anglosaxon...
... I am an exception, however I have strong prefferences as to whom to deal with: I will deal with an Italian, Germans, Irish, Polish, Asian or Black person before I will deal with a Latino or Anglosaxon...
The first thing here is a minor point -- there were no Anglo-Saxon 'conquistadors'. The very word is Spanish and the conquistadors were Spanish and had no love for Anglo-Saxons. The conquistadors conquered all of South America (except for Brazil which the Portugese took from the indigenous people) and all of central America and a large chunk of North America.
The second point I regard rather somewhat more seriously. I am an Anglo-Saxon. I am proud of my heritage for the most part even while being somewhat embarrassed by some of the shenanigans indulged in by some of my ancestors and sometimes by the Brits of the United Kingdom today. I have gone w-a-a-a-y out of my way over the years to learn about other people's cultural background. To show respect to them. To learn at least a little of their various languages -- I speak three languages fairly fluently and seven other languages haltingly.
I have long admired the achievements of the various peoples who comprised, first, the Russian Empire, later the USSR (even while not endorsing the practices of the Stalinist era) and, most recently, the amalgam that has emerged, almost stumbling, from the ashes of the old USSR.
It gives me no pleasure to see that, in spite of that, you have lumped all Anglo-Saxons (which brush tars me, as well) at the bottom of your list of undesirable groups.
Äîáðîé íî÷è, ãîñïîäèí, è èìååò ïðèÿòíûé âå÷åð.
Aethelbert
(an Anglo-Saxon name meaning "Noble Sword")
QUOTE (Aethelbert @ May 3 2007, 06:34 PM)
QUOTE (Tigerclaw_x @ May 3 2007, 02:15 PM)
... Anglo Saxon conquistadors...
... I am an exception, however I have strong prefferences as to whom to deal with: I will deal with an Italian, Germans, Irish, Polish, Asian or Black person before I will deal with a Latino or Anglosaxon...
... I am an exception, however I have strong prefferences as to whom to deal with: I will deal with an Italian, Germans, Irish, Polish, Asian or Black person before I will deal with a Latino or Anglosaxon...
The first thing here is a minor point -- there were no Anglo-Saxon 'conquistadors'. The very word is Spanish and the conquistadors were Spanish and had no love for Anglo-Saxons. The conquistadors conquered all of South America (except for Brazil which the Portugese took from the indigenous people) and all of central America and a large chunk of North America.
The second point I regard rather somewhat more seriously. I am an Anglo-Saxon. I am proud of my heritage for the most part even while being somewhat embarrassed by some of the shenanigans indulged in by some of my ancestors and sometimes by the Brits of the United Kingdom today. I have gone w-a-a-a-y out of my way over the years to learn about other people's cultural background. To show respect to them. To learn at least a little of their various languages -- I speak three languages fairly fluently and seven other languages haltingly.
I have long admired the achievements of the various peoples who comprised, first, the Russian Empire, later the USSR (even while not endorsing the practices of the Stalinist era) and, most recently, the amalgam that has emerged, almost stumbling, from the ashes of the old USSR.
It gives me no pleasure to see that, in spite of that, you have lumped all Anglo-Saxons (which brush tars me, as well) at the bottom of your list of undesirable groups.
Äîáðîé íî÷è, ãîñïîäèí, è èìååò ïðèÿòíûé âå÷åð.
Aethelbert
(an Anglo-Saxon name meaning "Noble Sword")
Ok, lets start from the beginning. How should I name the people who came here, claiming that the land was god given and then started to pay bounty for the scalpes of natives while taking the land? Invaders? Aggressors? Colonizators? No, neither of these words fully describes what have happened here. Now, I am well aware of Conquistadors being Spanish and not Anglo Saxon. However, the end result: invasion, decimation of the local population, are the same.
As far as Anglo Saxons go. I base my reactions and my prejudices from a real life experiences. I NEVER met a person of a German descend who was not smart, polite, friendly and had a great sence of humor. Same goes for Irish and Italians.
E. Europeans are a bit standoffish at least to a Russian, but as soon as they see that you are not "Imperial" they warm up to you. For some reason, most of Anglo Saxon folks I have met did not stike me as nice people. Very cold, very aloof, very calculating, very insencere. You see that their smiles are fake, you see that their politeness is practiced. It is not the rule in EVERY case, but it was the rule often enough that I sat down and started to take notice.
I deeply appologise, in front of everyone here, that I have offended you. I also THANK YOU, for speaking out your thoughts about it to me. I am wrong, and was wrong. The past experiences are no excuse for me not to judge people on their individual merit. I thank you for slapping me upside the head. I also want to extend my appologies to you again.
All of Europe is being infested by Muslims and becoming Islamized. The British who also have that idiotic 'politically correct' mentality have stopped teaching about the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims and are going out of their way to appease them. They also betrayed the noble Serbs and gave their sacred city of Kosovo to Albanian Muslims. The French have suffered an intifada (an Arab Muslim uprising and riots). In Holland Van Gough was murdered by a Mulim and in Denmark Muslims are taking over. Germany has a large second and third generation Turkish population which is a separate entity. Spain caved in after their trains were bombed.
Unless the Europeans wake up and open their eyes they are finished and this will be the death of the west. They have to end this idiotic ideologies of muliculturalism, socialism and liberalism. They abandoned their Christian roots to hedonism and liberalism and made themselves targets of non productive Muslims who want to turn Europe to another Islamic hellhole like Iran or under the Taliban.
The Swedish fool Orback who naively thinks being tolerant to Muslims will result in the same done to them needs to read history books about Islamic tolerance. His head willprobably be cut off by Muslims before he understands the Islamic mentality.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
Even in Israel the government appeases Arabs over Jews and in India the Muslims are getting preferential treatment over Hindus and other Indians. Appeasement doesn't work when dealing with Arabs and Muslims. While infidels love peace, Muslims love war (jihad).
Unless the Europeans wake up and open their eyes they are finished and this will be the death of the west. They have to end this idiotic ideologies of muliculturalism, socialism and liberalism. They abandoned their Christian roots to hedonism and liberalism and made themselves targets of non productive Muslims who want to turn Europe to another Islamic hellhole like Iran or under the Taliban.
The Swedish fool Orback who naively thinks being tolerant to Muslims will result in the same done to them needs to read history books about Islamic tolerance. His head willprobably be cut off by Muslims before he understands the Islamic mentality.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
Even in Israel the government appeases Arabs over Jews and in India the Muslims are getting preferential treatment over Hindus and other Indians. Appeasement doesn't work when dealing with Arabs and Muslims. While infidels love peace, Muslims love war (jihad).
QUOTE (uzitiger @ May 5 2007, 03:20 PM)
All of Europe is being infested by Muslims and becoming Islamized. The British who also have that idiotic 'politically correct' mentality have stopped teaching about the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims and are going out of their way to appease them. They also betrayed the noble Serbs and gave their sacred city of Kosovo to Albanian Muslims. The French have suffered an intifada (an Arab Muslim uprising and riots). In Holland Van Gough was murdered by a Mulim and in Denmark Muslims are taking over. Germany has a large second and third generation Turkish population which is a separate entity. Spain caved in after their trains were bombed.
Unless the Europeans wake up and open their eyes they are finished and this will be the death of the west. They have to end this idiotic ideologies of muliculturalism, socialism and liberalism. They abandoned their Christian roots to hedonism and liberalism and made themselves targets of non productive Muslims who want to turn Europe to another Islamic hellhole like Iran or under the Taliban.
The Swedish fool Orback who naively thinks being tolerant to Muslims will result in the same done to them needs to read history books about Islamic tolerance. His head willprobably be cut off by Muslims before he understands the Islamic mentality.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
Even in Israel the government appeases Arabs over Jews and in India the Muslims are getting preferential treatment over Hindus and other Indians. Appeasement doesn't work when dealing with Arabs and Muslims. While infidels love peace, Muslims love war (jihad).
Unless the Europeans wake up and open their eyes they are finished and this will be the death of the west. They have to end this idiotic ideologies of muliculturalism, socialism and liberalism. They abandoned their Christian roots to hedonism and liberalism and made themselves targets of non productive Muslims who want to turn Europe to another Islamic hellhole like Iran or under the Taliban.
The Swedish fool Orback who naively thinks being tolerant to Muslims will result in the same done to them needs to read history books about Islamic tolerance. His head willprobably be cut off by Muslims before he understands the Islamic mentality.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
Even in Israel the government appeases Arabs over Jews and in India the Muslims are getting preferential treatment over Hindus and other Indians. Appeasement doesn't work when dealing with Arabs and Muslims. While infidels love peace, Muslims love war (jihad).
The tactics of appeasing the enemy is a long tradition is Europe. To appease Mr. Hitler, the European Democracies with the silent agreement of USA have given to Europe: Austria, betrayed Chezh republic, the "beloved" child of Antanta, a true democracy, created after WW1. The "strange war" have allowed Hitler to eat 3/4th of the Poland. As usual, it is Russia and USA have have to save their sorry behinds. As usual, after that, europenas snub both, Russia and USA for that. Europe has great tradition of Power and might and Culture. However, after WW1 europe became just a tired old spineless woman. We are obliged to bale them out, however. This has NOTHING to do with Christianity. Europe was well christian before WW2. Didn't save them. Didn't stop French, Flemish, Dutch, Norwegians, Sweds etc to join Hitler's SS. Christianity has nothing to do with that. It doesn't help and it doesn't prevents anything. Much like a prayer. Spinelessness, however. DOES. Countries must have IDENTITY, not DIVERSITY. An AK will function well, if you put into the same clip, Tracers, AP, Hollow point, FMJ, Soft point. But they ALL must be 7.62x39. Same with countries. People can be of ANY descent: German, Chezh, Ukrainian, Belorussian, however, in Poland they mostly live together now without much problems.
Of course, not teaching the Holocaust of jews is bad. How about not teaching the holocaust of Slavs? In USSR, 15mln of civilian population were killed, just for being "inferior race". 15mln!!!. Not 6!!!. In Poland, one out of 5 people died!!! ONE OUT OF FIVE!!!
Nobody teaches that. Except in Russia and in Poland. Jewish holocaust is a tragedy, but it is not the only, and not the biggest tragedy of WW2
QUOTE (Tigerclaw_x @ May 6 2007, 07:47 AM)
QUOTE (uzitiger @ May 5 2007, 03:20 PM)
All of Europe is being infested by Muslims and becoming Islamized. The British who also have that idiotic 'politically correct' mentality have stopped teaching about the Holocaust to avoid offending Muslims and are going out of their way to appease them. They also betrayed the noble Serbs and gave their sacred city of Kosovo to Albanian Muslims. The French have suffered an intifada (an Arab Muslim uprising and riots). In Holland Van Gough was murdered by a Mulim and in Denmark Muslims are taking over. Germany has a large second and third generation Turkish population which is a separate entity. Spain caved in after their trains were bombed.
Unless the Europeans wake up and open their eyes they are finished and this will be the death of the west. They have to end this idiotic ideologies of muliculturalism, socialism and liberalism. They abandoned their Christian roots to hedonism and liberalism and made themselves targets of non productive Muslims who want to turn Europe to another Islamic hellhole like Iran or under the Taliban.
The Swedish fool Orback who naively thinks being tolerant to Muslims will result in the same done to them needs to read history books about Islamic tolerance. His head willprobably be cut off by Muslims before he understands the Islamic mentality.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
Even in Israel the government appeases Arabs over Jews and in India the Muslims are getting preferential treatment over Hindus and other Indians. Appeasement doesn't work when dealing with Arabs and Muslims. While infidels love peace, Muslims love war (jihad).
Unless the Europeans wake up and open their eyes they are finished and this will be the death of the west. They have to end this idiotic ideologies of muliculturalism, socialism and liberalism. They abandoned their Christian roots to hedonism and liberalism and made themselves targets of non productive Muslims who want to turn Europe to another Islamic hellhole like Iran or under the Taliban.
The Swedish fool Orback who naively thinks being tolerant to Muslims will result in the same done to them needs to read history books about Islamic tolerance. His head willprobably be cut off by Muslims before he understands the Islamic mentality.
Jens Orback, Minister for Democracy, Metropolitan Affairs, Integration and Gender Equality from the Social Democratic Party said during a debate in Swedish radio in 2004 that “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
Even in Israel the government appeases Arabs over Jews and in India the Muslims are getting preferential treatment over Hindus and other Indians. Appeasement doesn't work when dealing with Arabs and Muslims. While infidels love peace, Muslims love war (jihad).
The tactics of appeasing the enemy is a long tradition is Europe. To appease Mr. Hitler, the European Democracies with the silent agreement of USA have given to Europe: Austria, betrayed Chezh republic, the "beloved" child of Antanta, a true democracy, created after WW1. The "strange war" have allowed Hitler to eat 3/4th of the Poland. As usual, it is Russia and USA have have to save their sorry behinds. As usual, after that, europenas snub both, Russia and USA for that. Europe has great tradition of Power and might and Culture. However, after WW1 europe became just a tired old spineless woman. We are obliged to bale them out, however. This has NOTHING to do with Christianity. Europe was well christian before WW2. Didn't save them. Didn't stop French, Flemish, Dutch, Norwegians, Sweds etc to join Hitler's SS. Christianity has nothing to do with that. It doesn't help and it doesn't prevents anything. Much like a prayer. Spinelessness, however. DOES. Countries must have IDENTITY, not DIVERSITY. An AK will function well, if you put into the same clip, Tracers, AP, Hollow point, FMJ, Soft point. But they ALL must be 7.62x39. Same with countries. People can be of ANY descent: German, Chezh, Ukrainian, Belorussian, however, in Poland they mostly live together now without much problems.
Of course, not teaching the Holocaust of jews is bad. How about not teaching the holocaust of Slavs? In USSR, 15mln of civilian population were killed, just for being "inferior race". 15mln!!!. Not 6!!!. In Poland, one out of 5 people died!!! ONE OUT OF FIVE!!!
Nobody teaches that. Except in Russia and in Poland. Jewish holocaust is a tragedy, but it is not the only, and not the biggest tragedy of WW2
If we choose to bail them out again I hope we'll have the good sense to allow Russia to keep whatever territory they have to occupy to get the job done this time around.
LOL.
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