Shamnesty: Immigration Deal Would Grant Amnesty to Parents, Spouses and Children
Immigration Deal Would Grant Amnesty to Parents, Spouses and Children
Kennedy Wins Major Concessions From Republicans
Senate Democrats and Republicans are working feverishly with the White House to put the finishing touches on an immigration proposal that could be announced later today or tomorrow. The deal would give illegal aliens living in the United States amnesty, according to confidential sources. It would also allow illegal aliens to bring their parents, spouses and children into the United States.
Multiple sources on Capitol Hill with knowledge of the proposal said Sen. Teddy Kennedy (D.-Mass.) has been able to extract significant concessions from Republicans. The critical part of the deal is a lengthy section that spells out the provisions related to “Z” visas -- or what my sources described as the “Amnesty Title” of the bill. The “Z” visas would be broken down into three categories as follows:
Z-1 -- Illegal alien present and working in the United States up to January 1, 2007
Z-2 -- Parents and spouses of illegal aliens qualifying under the Z-1 category
Z-3 -- Children of illegal aliens qualifying under the Z-1 category
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One section of the proposal grants these “Z” non-immigrants four-year visas for an indefinite period of time. These visas would be given to people not currently in the United States if they are related to a current illegal worker.
Sources indicate that these aliens, along with their dependents, would be allowed to legally remain in the United States under certain conditions for an indefinite period of time, even if they chose not to pursue the so called “pathway to citizenship.”
The burden of proof would be low for illegal aliens to prove that they were continually illegally present in United States. This provision would reward the illegal alien for proving continual illegal presence and illegal employment in the United States with a “Z” visa. This provision in the Kennedy deal, approved by some Republicans, is clearly amnesty under any definition, according to immigration experts whom I consulted.
The proposal would require illegal immigrants to pay a fine to apply for the “Z” visa, but despite that penalty, conservatives are likely characterize this deal as a major sell out to Kennedy and his pro-amnesty allies.
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Full Version: Sham-nesty
Tell me again, why anyone would now legally want to come to this country?
..boy howdy... sure am glad I went through all legal means to move myself and my wife here...
Wish I had a webcam, you could see the veins on my neck bulging...
!FUCK!
..boy howdy... sure am glad I went through all legal means to move myself and my wife here...
Wish I had a webcam, you could see the veins on my neck bulging...
!FUCK!
This is their answer to the "immigration problem?" Illegal immigrants hold marches in big cities across the country demanding "reform" and our government gives in. So now all those illegals working farms in Kentucky sending money back to Mexico will multiply by 4 when they bring their families up....yeah that'll fix the problem. And why the hell are the politicians calling them "undocumented workers" all of a sudden. I would expect the Bush administration to call them "potential terrorists" and crack down on the problem.
Ask the Native Americans what happens when you don't have proper immigration policies-and SECURE borders.
Lest we forget....
The folks with their hands out seeking "reparations" were brought here less than two generations ago to "do the work Whitey didn't want to do".
Granted, somewhat different conditions that brought them here, but...How long do these moronic politicians really think they will be getting a "bargain" with this largely illiterate and semi-skilled (at best) "workforce"?
Will it improve the desparate conditions in Mexico that sent them here in the first place?
That being the case, will it prevent more from "crimigrating"?
What will happen when the new breed of "undocumented" workers are willing to undercut the wages of the "amnestied" workers? That may be an interesting scenario....Unless Government applies some legitimate pressure to employers (not very likely) we will continue to see wave after wave until Jorge Bush ( the Honorary President of Mexico) will have nobody left to preside over down there.
And we will have one hell of a mess here.
Wait a minute...Did I say "will have" one hell of a mess here? What the fuck am I thinking...We will have a MUCH GREATER mess here!
I'm staying locked and loaded.
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
The folks with their hands out seeking "reparations" were brought here less than two generations ago to "do the work Whitey didn't want to do".
Granted, somewhat different conditions that brought them here, but...How long do these moronic politicians really think they will be getting a "bargain" with this largely illiterate and semi-skilled (at best) "workforce"?
Will it improve the desparate conditions in Mexico that sent them here in the first place?
That being the case, will it prevent more from "crimigrating"?
What will happen when the new breed of "undocumented" workers are willing to undercut the wages of the "amnestied" workers? That may be an interesting scenario....Unless Government applies some legitimate pressure to employers (not very likely) we will continue to see wave after wave until Jorge Bush ( the Honorary President of Mexico) will have nobody left to preside over down there.
And we will have one hell of a mess here.
Wait a minute...Did I say "will have" one hell of a mess here? What the fuck am I thinking...We will have a MUCH GREATER mess here!
I'm staying locked and loaded.
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
This is bullshit. Face it folks. These people aren't the cream of the crop coming up here. They are the poor, uneducated, destitute types. Or worse. Criminals. We need to build more prisons because we keep importing criminals. Like we don't already have enough criminals.
Guys,
We have nothing to fear from Mexicans. I know many that were here illegally until the last amnesty(Reagan) when they became legal. they are as American as you and I. In fact several that I know are more "Dixie" than I am. We have a shared history with them. There's no denying that the best Westerns have Mexicans(even if they're Italian Mexicans). The new President is cleaning up Mexico in an unprecedented fashion and beginning to create a real American-style middle-class. In the near future Mexicans will no longer need to flee that country. Watch for American Democraps to start trying to damage the new anti-commie Mexican President Calderon because of his successes. They will accuse him of human rights abuses and the like, just as they always do(ala John F. Kerry lying to the Senate about Vietnam atrocities that never happened). Mark my words it will happen. There is a war going on down there between good and evil, corrupt leftists vs. vastly less corrupt Capitalists. The second richest man n the world is a Mexican do you realize that? What could me better for America than an economically strong Mexico? They have Walmarts, Home Depts, Brger King, KFCs etc popping up all over the place in Mexico right now. Look, 10% of everyone is scum, don't judge Mexicans by their 10% unless you agree to be judged by yours. The vast majority of those that are here just want to live and contribute to the American dream. Anyway some of my very best friends are Mexicans that got amnesty 20 years ago and are wonderful Americans today and I love them... and you should too. They're a hell of a lot more "American" than a lot of so-called "Americans" that were born here. Especially those with a (D) after their name.
Please try to stay focused on the real threats against US, Radical Islam and Communism, both foreign and domestic.
We have nothing to fear from Mexicans. I know many that were here illegally until the last amnesty(Reagan) when they became legal. they are as American as you and I. In fact several that I know are more "Dixie" than I am. We have a shared history with them. There's no denying that the best Westerns have Mexicans(even if they're Italian Mexicans). The new President is cleaning up Mexico in an unprecedented fashion and beginning to create a real American-style middle-class. In the near future Mexicans will no longer need to flee that country. Watch for American Democraps to start trying to damage the new anti-commie Mexican President Calderon because of his successes. They will accuse him of human rights abuses and the like, just as they always do(ala John F. Kerry lying to the Senate about Vietnam atrocities that never happened). Mark my words it will happen. There is a war going on down there between good and evil, corrupt leftists vs. vastly less corrupt Capitalists. The second richest man n the world is a Mexican do you realize that? What could me better for America than an economically strong Mexico? They have Walmarts, Home Depts, Brger King, KFCs etc popping up all over the place in Mexico right now. Look, 10% of everyone is scum, don't judge Mexicans by their 10% unless you agree to be judged by yours. The vast majority of those that are here just want to live and contribute to the American dream. Anyway some of my very best friends are Mexicans that got amnesty 20 years ago and are wonderful Americans today and I love them... and you should too. They're a hell of a lot more "American" than a lot of so-called "Americans" that were born here. Especially those with a (D) after their name.
Please try to stay focused on the real threats against US, Radical Islam and Communism, both foreign and domestic.
Mexicans are not the problem. Watch out for the canuks. The 9/11 assasins came from Canada. Mad cow disease comes from Canada.
Let's build a northern wall. Hell lets build a 100' wall all around the entire country.
Let's build a northern wall. Hell lets build a 100' wall all around the entire country.
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QUOTE(G O B @ May 20 2007, 06:04 PM) 
Mexicans are not the problem. Watch out for the canuks. The 9/11 assasins came from Canada. Mad cow disease comes from Canada.
Let's build a northern wall. Hell lets build a 100' wall all around the entire country.[/quote]
I am also vastly more concerned with the Northern border. Mexico has tougher immigration laws than Canada. Don't forget that the Millennium bomber was also caught entering from the North, caught by sheer luck and an attentive border guard.
Let's build a northern wall. Hell lets build a 100' wall all around the entire country.[/quote]
I am also vastly more concerned with the Northern border. Mexico has tougher immigration laws than Canada. Don't forget that the Millennium bomber was also caught entering from the North, caught by sheer luck and an attentive border guard.
QUOTE (DaGroaner @ May 20 2007, 10:16 AM)
Guys,
We have nothing to fear from Mexicans. I know many that were here illegally until the last amnesty(Reagan) when they became legal. they are as American as you and I. In fact several that I know are more "Dixie" than I am. We have a shared history with them. There's no denying that the best Westerns have Mexicans(even if they're Italian Mexicans). The new President is cleaning up Mexico in an unprecedented fashion and beginning to create a real American-style middle-class. In the near future Mexicans will no longer need to flee that country. Watch for American Democraps to start trying to damage the new anti-commie Mexican President Calderon because of his successes. They will accuse him of human rights abuses and the like, just as they always do(ala John F. Kerry lying to the Senate about Vietnam atrocities that never happened). Mark my words it will happen. There is a war going on down there between good and evil, corrupt leftists vs. vastly less corrupt Capitalists. The second richest man n the world is a Mexican do you realize that? What could me better for America than an economically strong Mexico? They have Walmarts, Home Depts, Brger King, KFCs etc popping up all over the place in Mexico right now. Look, 10% of everyone is scum, don't judge Mexicans by their 10% unless you agree to be judged by yours. The vast majority of those that are here just want to live and contribute to the American dream. Anyway some of my very best friends are Mexicans that got amnesty 20 years ago and are wonderful Americans today and I love them... and you should too. They're a hell of a lot more "American" than a lot of so-called "Americans" that were born here. Especially those with a (D) after their name.
Please try to stay focused on the real threats against US, Radical Islam and Communism, both foreign and domestic.
We have nothing to fear from Mexicans. I know many that were here illegally until the last amnesty(Reagan) when they became legal. they are as American as you and I. In fact several that I know are more "Dixie" than I am. We have a shared history with them. There's no denying that the best Westerns have Mexicans(even if they're Italian Mexicans). The new President is cleaning up Mexico in an unprecedented fashion and beginning to create a real American-style middle-class. In the near future Mexicans will no longer need to flee that country. Watch for American Democraps to start trying to damage the new anti-commie Mexican President Calderon because of his successes. They will accuse him of human rights abuses and the like, just as they always do(ala John F. Kerry lying to the Senate about Vietnam atrocities that never happened). Mark my words it will happen. There is a war going on down there between good and evil, corrupt leftists vs. vastly less corrupt Capitalists. The second richest man n the world is a Mexican do you realize that? What could me better for America than an economically strong Mexico? They have Walmarts, Home Depts, Brger King, KFCs etc popping up all over the place in Mexico right now. Look, 10% of everyone is scum, don't judge Mexicans by their 10% unless you agree to be judged by yours. The vast majority of those that are here just want to live and contribute to the American dream. Anyway some of my very best friends are Mexicans that got amnesty 20 years ago and are wonderful Americans today and I love them... and you should too. They're a hell of a lot more "American" than a lot of so-called "Americans" that were born here. Especially those with a (D) after their name.
Please try to stay focused on the real threats against US, Radical Islam and Communism, both foreign and domestic.
I can't argue that but the second biggest threat comes from the liberals of today. They're going to bring this country down before the terrorists.
Hello, DaGroaner
I agree with your points on Mexicans. My beef is not with Mexicans, my probelm is with CRIMIGRANTS, the vast majority of whom happen to be Mexican.
I have a problem with the crimigrants themselves, and I have a huge problem with how our Country's "laws" are being circumvented and ignored to provide sanctuary and employment to these criminals.
Just recently, Farmers Branch, a suburb of Fort Worth, TX held a public referendum to vote on adopting legislation restricting landlords from leasing property to undocumented people. The referendum passed with a two-to-one majority. I'm no statistician, but a two-to-one majority doesn't sound like a madate to do just the opposite. Yet, this whole "immigration reform" pill is being jammed down our throats like we have no choice.
Whose friggen' country is this, anyway?
I don't kow of a single person in my immediate circle of friends or co-workers who doesn't have a friend or family member, (if not they themselves) who have been personally or financially damaged by an uninsured, usually unlicensed, crimigrant driver causing an accident. You know what the consequences are for the crimigrant? Absolutely nothing! They don't have a license to remove, they don't show up in court if summoned, don't pay fines or get insurance or a drivers license, so the cops just throw up their hands. The crimigrant just walks away, unless they happen to be injured, at which point we, the taxpayers pick up their tab at the emergency room.
You think these incidents are isolated? Sir, you would not believe what it is like living anywhere near the border of Mexico. I have to believe that you will soon, however, because my nightmare will be coming to your town soon.
Three words of advice..."Uninsured Motorist Coverage".
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
I agree with your points on Mexicans. My beef is not with Mexicans, my probelm is with CRIMIGRANTS, the vast majority of whom happen to be Mexican.
I have a problem with the crimigrants themselves, and I have a huge problem with how our Country's "laws" are being circumvented and ignored to provide sanctuary and employment to these criminals.
Just recently, Farmers Branch, a suburb of Fort Worth, TX held a public referendum to vote on adopting legislation restricting landlords from leasing property to undocumented people. The referendum passed with a two-to-one majority. I'm no statistician, but a two-to-one majority doesn't sound like a madate to do just the opposite. Yet, this whole "immigration reform" pill is being jammed down our throats like we have no choice.
Whose friggen' country is this, anyway?
I don't kow of a single person in my immediate circle of friends or co-workers who doesn't have a friend or family member, (if not they themselves) who have been personally or financially damaged by an uninsured, usually unlicensed, crimigrant driver causing an accident. You know what the consequences are for the crimigrant? Absolutely nothing! They don't have a license to remove, they don't show up in court if summoned, don't pay fines or get insurance or a drivers license, so the cops just throw up their hands. The crimigrant just walks away, unless they happen to be injured, at which point we, the taxpayers pick up their tab at the emergency room.
You think these incidents are isolated? Sir, you would not believe what it is like living anywhere near the border of Mexico. I have to believe that you will soon, however, because my nightmare will be coming to your town soon.
Three words of advice..."Uninsured Motorist Coverage".
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
QUOTE (guido2 @ May 20 2007, 10:23 PM)
Hello, DaGroaner
I agree with your points on Mexicans. My beef is not with Mexicans, my probelm is with CRIMIGRANTS, the vast majority of whom happen to be Mexican.
I have a problem with the crimigrants themselves, and I have a huge problem with how our Country's "laws" are being circumvented and ignored to provide sanctuary and employment to these criminals.
Just recently, Farmers Branch, a suburb of Fort Worth, TX held a public referendum to vote on adopting legislation restricting landlords from leasing property to undocumented people. The referendum passed with a two-to-one majority. I'm no statistician, but a two-to-one majority doesn't sound like a madate to do just the opposite. Yet, this whole "immigration reform" pill is being jammed down our throats like we have no choice.
Whose friggen' country is this, anyway?
I don't kow of a single person in my immediate circle of friends or co-workers who doesn't have a friend or family member, (if not they themselves) who have been personally or financially damaged by an uninsured, usually unlicensed, crimigrant driver causing an accident. You know what the consequences are for the crimigrant? Absolutely nothing! They don't have a license to remove, they don't show up in court if summoned, don't pay fines or get insurance or a drivers license, so the cops just throw up their hands. The crimigrant just walks away, unless they happen to be injured, at which point we, the taxpayers pick up their tab at the emergency room.
You think these incidents are isolated? Sir, you would not believe what it is like living anywhere near the border of Mexico. I have to believe that you will soon, however, because my nightmare will be coming to your town soon.
Three words of advice..."Uninsured Motorist Coverage".
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
I agree with your points on Mexicans. My beef is not with Mexicans, my probelm is with CRIMIGRANTS, the vast majority of whom happen to be Mexican.
I have a problem with the crimigrants themselves, and I have a huge problem with how our Country's "laws" are being circumvented and ignored to provide sanctuary and employment to these criminals.
Just recently, Farmers Branch, a suburb of Fort Worth, TX held a public referendum to vote on adopting legislation restricting landlords from leasing property to undocumented people. The referendum passed with a two-to-one majority. I'm no statistician, but a two-to-one majority doesn't sound like a madate to do just the opposite. Yet, this whole "immigration reform" pill is being jammed down our throats like we have no choice.
Whose friggen' country is this, anyway?
I don't kow of a single person in my immediate circle of friends or co-workers who doesn't have a friend or family member, (if not they themselves) who have been personally or financially damaged by an uninsured, usually unlicensed, crimigrant driver causing an accident. You know what the consequences are for the crimigrant? Absolutely nothing! They don't have a license to remove, they don't show up in court if summoned, don't pay fines or get insurance or a drivers license, so the cops just throw up their hands. The crimigrant just walks away, unless they happen to be injured, at which point we, the taxpayers pick up their tab at the emergency room.
You think these incidents are isolated? Sir, you would not believe what it is like living anywhere near the border of Mexico. I have to believe that you will soon, however, because my nightmare will be coming to your town soon.
Three words of advice..."Uninsured Motorist Coverage".
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
+1 and an AMEN to that! You will be presing #1 for Spanish, #2 for Arabic , #3 for French and hang the hell up if you speak English.
QUOTE (guido2 @ May 20 2007, 08:23 PM)
Hello, DaGroaner
I agree with your points on Mexicans. My beef is not with Mexicans, my probelm is with CRIMIGRANTS, the vast majority of whom happen to be Mexican.
I have a problem with the crimigrants themselves, and I have a huge problem with how our Country's "laws" are being circumvented and ignored to provide sanctuary and employment to these criminals.
Just recently, Farmers Branch, a suburb of Fort Worth, TX held a public referendum to vote on adopting legislation restricting landlords from leasing property to undocumented people. The referendum passed with a two-to-one majority. I'm no statistician, but a two-to-one majority doesn't sound like a madate to do just the opposite. Yet, this whole "immigration reform" pill is being jammed down our throats like we have no choice.
Whose friggen' country is this, anyway?
I don't kow of a single person in my immediate circle of friends or co-workers who doesn't have a friend or family member, (if not they themselves) who have been personally or financially damaged by an uninsured, usually unlicensed, crimigrant driver causing an accident. You know what the consequences are for the crimigrant? Absolutely nothing! They don't have a license to remove, they don't show up in court if summoned, don't pay fines or get insurance or a drivers license, so the cops just throw up their hands. The crimigrant just walks away, unless they happen to be injured, at which point we, the taxpayers pick up their tab at the emergency room.
You think these incidents are isolated? Sir, you would not believe what it is like living anywhere near the border of Mexico. I have to believe that you will soon, however, because my nightmare will be coming to your town soon.
Three words of advice..."Uninsured Motorist Coverage".
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
I agree with your points on Mexicans. My beef is not with Mexicans, my probelm is with CRIMIGRANTS, the vast majority of whom happen to be Mexican.
I have a problem with the crimigrants themselves, and I have a huge problem with how our Country's "laws" are being circumvented and ignored to provide sanctuary and employment to these criminals.
Just recently, Farmers Branch, a suburb of Fort Worth, TX held a public referendum to vote on adopting legislation restricting landlords from leasing property to undocumented people. The referendum passed with a two-to-one majority. I'm no statistician, but a two-to-one majority doesn't sound like a madate to do just the opposite. Yet, this whole "immigration reform" pill is being jammed down our throats like we have no choice.
Whose friggen' country is this, anyway?
I don't kow of a single person in my immediate circle of friends or co-workers who doesn't have a friend or family member, (if not they themselves) who have been personally or financially damaged by an uninsured, usually unlicensed, crimigrant driver causing an accident. You know what the consequences are for the crimigrant? Absolutely nothing! They don't have a license to remove, they don't show up in court if summoned, don't pay fines or get insurance or a drivers license, so the cops just throw up their hands. The crimigrant just walks away, unless they happen to be injured, at which point we, the taxpayers pick up their tab at the emergency room.
You think these incidents are isolated? Sir, you would not believe what it is like living anywhere near the border of Mexico. I have to believe that you will soon, however, because my nightmare will be coming to your town soon.
Three words of advice..."Uninsured Motorist Coverage".
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
I can't argue with a single point you made. I am for a border fence and diligent guarding of our borders. However since we have failed in keeping people who are only trying to improve their lives out I want them to have a legal way to join our society. This new immigration bill is a POS, especially the part about making people go back for a year. How friggin stupid is that? They're supposed to give up the lives they've created for themselves here to start over? Utter stupidity! We need to fix the system, this bill is not the answer but neither is xenophobia. One would think that there are enough bitter realities surrounding the issue that our "leaders" could come up with a real solution but again they have let US down. Perhaps if we started with the idea that Mexicans are our brothers and sisters and worked outward from there but too many of US see them as something other than that. It's a goddamn shame.
Racegal, the liberals you spoke of are the same people I referred to as domestic Communists. We are on the same page in that regard.
QUOTE (guido2 @ May 20 2007, 11:23 PM)
Whose friggen' country is this, anyway?
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston
You must have missed the memo. It now belongs to the elite, top 1%.
I also agree this bill is bullshit. Its amnesty and nothing else. Its to bad that no immigration policy is going to work while we have a revolving door going back and forth from Mexico. There is no point in throwing them out if we haven't stopped how they can back in.,
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