http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2...their-guns.html

Something to think about when you pull the lever in November. It may be too late for them or this may be their last chance. We need not follow their lead of apathy that brought them to this situation.
1911

I pray every day that we do not come to this.........

Amen!

That was excellent. The things they were saying FROM THEIR EXPERIENCE echos thought for thought, word for word, the things I have learned. Sadly too many places here have the same legal jeopardy involved in defending self and property as Mr. Tony Martin faced.

Has anyone noticed that Europe is adjusting and moving toward more conversative and libertarian thoughts AGAIN? Germany - Merkel, more conservative and free market pro American, Italy - Berlusconi who was pro american, booted and just now re elected, France - SARKOZY, more conservative and free market, pro American. Britain just rebelled against their nanny state masters in parliamentary elections and mayor of London.

Funny thing is we have a damn good chance of electing Obama or Clinton who favor the type of government Europe is beginning to reject. Weird world.

"Freedom is only for those who have the guts to defend it."

Yet look at all the guns they dumped in the drink between Dover and France at the end of WW2... they were US civilian firearms...


I think we're in for a shit storm as firearms owners no matter which of the 3 get elected...

Prayers out for Tony Martin....

That news report was done BEAUTIFULLY! Best I have ever seen on the subject, and completely relevant to whats going on in the US today.

Tony Martin should NOT be in prison. Its getting to the point where we could all be in his shoes. The man certainly has class given how he got screwed over.

This is something I'd like the people who complain about the overzealous guns owners who jump all over "rational" gun controls laws to hear.

The laws against crime already exist, passing more gun control has zero effect other than getting us ever so closer to outright banning like in the UK. They did it a little piece of "rational" legislation at a time.

Hello
Even though I made a personal pledge to avoid all PAC's (I think they are a scourge on the system...) I'm going to sign-up for the NRA.
No other alternatives that I can see.....

Thanks for posting, 1911

Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston

Cold, dead hands.

Thanks 1911, that was an awesome post! Unfortunately, the British will likely find that, once you give up freedom, it is exceedingly difficult to get it back. We need to make sure that we NEVER give up our freedom, which so many brave people have worked, fought, and died for. God bless our troops!

Time for the Brits to force Parlament to obey the Magna Carta.

+1 to that.

What I like most is that the brits say it all started by "reasonable control" and went downhill from there.

..And people call us "gun nuts" because we are against "reasonable control". It seems that that only us "gun nuts" know how this kind of shit turns out.

This video is a great example.

BUMP - WATCH IT!

Brother man thank you for the bump, Emailing everybody I know

Wow, I guess it's time for me to stop being embarassed by Britain.

300.000 illegal guns mentioned in the UK? haha, no fucking way. a small country like belgium has a suspected 1.200.000 illegal firearms. i suspect it'll be a tad higher in the UK. but then again, very little of these illegal guns are actually used in crime.

anyhow, i'm happy to report that gun laws are actually loosening up a bit out here in Belgium. still, compared to the USA we're very much restricted, but overall i think we're slowly moving the right way.

I will not give up my guns without blood. Preferably someone elses. One thing I will say europeans are much more likely to roll over and do what they are told. I believe we are a little too rough around the edges to be forced without blood shed in to giving up our arms. Fortunately I am very passionate about anti gun laws. It's very hard to control a population that is armed:)

The last words in this article are words that every american needs to hear in this context. The public at large in NYC is in this position and look what happens to them. Criminals think twice about victimizing a person when they know they are armed but they think nothing of those they know are not armed. May we ALL remember this when we vote this time around. My union wants me to vote a certain way because of my livelihood but where would that be if I had no way to protect the life I have and those I love?

The only gun battles we hear about in the city are the ones between the criminals and the police or each other. You almost never hear about legally armed citizens blowing each other away because to legally own a handgun you have to have some common sense and need to have had a safety course in firearms. (At least that is what I had to do in CT when I did have a CCW permit which NY won't let me have) For a criminal to have a gun, he just needs to lay out the cash .

Anyway, if we all just sit back and wait to see what happens, we just need to look at this video to have an idea of what it will be like.(or just go through Central Park or the neighborhoods above 125th street after midnight).

As for me, they would have to pry them out of my cold dead fingers!

nyclu3

Every city which banned firearms has a higher crime rate since the criminals don't have to fear their victims. The British bought their government's lies hook, line and sinker and gave up their firearms. They got higher crime rates in return.

Self defense is illegal in England, look at what they did to Tony Martin who shot and killed a burglar who broke into his house seven times. The government came down heavy handed on him while the surviving burglar got a slap on the wrist.

This is what may happen if we vote for Hitlery or the Obamanable Muslim here in the US. Boston and New York City already have Nazi like anti gun laws.

Isn't liberalism great?

To fuck up cities and countries.

My view over here is that we dont have one voice like your NRA, when semi auto rifle & all handguns were banned the bulk of shooters were prone bolt action rifle shooters & shotgun clay busters & as such were not to bothered when another disipline was lost so long as they were allright.
I can remember getting $ 200 each for a semi Uzi, M1 garrand, 44 automag, 45 auto & an M14 off the police when we were forced to hand them over.
As a "practical " ( thats IPSC to you lot ) shooter iv had to addapt over the years from handgun to rifle to now semi auto shotgun, sure we can have single shot straight pull AR & AK rifles & stupid revolvers with 12" barrels & a fixed wire stock sticking out the back , but a lot of us are willing to shoot anything & traveling over to Belgium to semi auto's is now quite popular even though were all in the EU they have slightly better gun laws than the UK.

Shooting is not dead in the UK , just hard to find .................

I slightly have to disagree here. I do believe there is still a small "hardcore" group of Americans who hold the Second Amendment in high regard, and a much larger group of supposedly "Pro-2nd" smoke blowers (who would grudgingly turn in their collection at the first hint of Governmental confrontation).

That's why the liberal school system "indoctrinates" them at such an early age to think that an interest in firearms is an aberration of a normal, healthy personality. It's much easier to dis-arm a "brainwashed" society once the Cro Mags in it (gun fanciers) die off. Heil!

Drink that "liberal" Kool-Aid deeply, kids.

Drink that "liberal" Kool-Aid deeply, kids.
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A lot of very strong words said here...and I agree 100%. Talking about such subjects is great, but IMHO, we need to be on the ANTI gun sites attempting to re assimilate the koolaid drinking masses. Not here where its easy, cause we all agree with eachother anyway.

Great thread, lets get the word out. E-mail this news real to at least 10 people you know. Liberals are fasinated with europes socialist laws. Matbe some will see the light.

Member of the small %.

well, current legislation in Belgium is actually looking up.

there are even a few extra softing up of the law in the works, to make it easier to shoot IPSC and other practical sports. (you used to have to jump a few extra hoops for that)

My club go over to Coppensports quite a bit , its a long way to go but great fun to be able to shoot a handgun again !

Do you belong to a Club ?? id be very intersted in arranging to come over for a friendly shooting competition/range day .Practical shotgun is our main thing but we can all just about shoot a rifle & handgun .

Pm me if intersted.

No offense meant, but if that time ever comes (gun confiscation) I'm willing to bet money that those who rant and rave "from my cold, dead hands" will be the first ones to turn in their weapons without a peep and probably get a face slap or a good dose of taser "for good measure"

"From my cold dead hands" is a great seniment. In reality I am burying scrap iron and old auto parts. "Honestly---I sold the entire collection. Some guy name of Harry Balls took 'em all".

His name was Harry Ballsonya.

Sadly you can't get your Freedom Back with out Blood Shed. The Govt will not release the power they have over thier Subjects.... We are still Citizens , I doubt the English have the will to bleed.

Dear Friend across the pond : As you well know we ratified our Bill of rights in the spirit of the Magna Carta, With the Exception that our Bill of rights are granted by GOD him self. We can only observe and respect those Divine rights, MAN can NOT alter abridge or change those rights due to the fact they lack Authority and jurisdiction over The Devine rights of God. You stated something quite curious to me in your post.........."giving the guns to the police when we were FORCED to hand them over." That thought process is Alien to me, if the police "Forced" our people to surrender our guns ..there would be dead police littering the streets , We would just step over thier rotting bloated dead bodies , as they would recive our guns from the muzzle first. Our liberty is very personal to us. We love our police , but they are no longer police when they come for your guns they are NAZI stormtroopers.

Coppens? that's Knokke-Heist, right? i think he's the STI distributor for belgium or something like that. heard some good things.

and yeah, i'm member of a club too (obviously, as you have to, or you cant have a firearms license or sportshooting permit).

PM underway btw.