You don't have to explain anything to me sir, and im well aware of the problems the southwest has seen with the housing construction boom and now its crash, and the resulting influx of workers. its devastating, for alot of people. Im just clarifying the distinction between mexican crimigrants who want nothing more than money and think the american (sorta) way is the best to get it, and the political Chicano movement, which is a student movement of first, second and third generation americans (primarily, though that term is loose, as alot of students were brought here as children, i just dont think they qualify as imigrants, as they didnt chose to come here). To tie the rhetoric of one into the other is silly and missguided especially when many people are mislead as to what the rhetoric is. Again, mexicans never heard of Aztlan for the most part, nor would they call themselves Chicano, or want to "Reclaim the Chicano homeland" They are mexicans. Now, that isnt to say that these americans who call themselves Chicanos wouldnt like to see a larger spanish speaking immigrant population to push there Brown Power hispanic nationalism, but lets face it, they dont have the power to do much about any of it. If you want to blame someone for the immigration problem, look to the economy, and those in charge of it, not MEChA, which i stated is a college organization.
Glenn Spencer, of the American Patrol, is the source of the ENTIRE myth of the current "reconquista," either out of malice or ignorance. It was nothing more than rhetoric before then (and not to annex the southwest to mexico, but to unite americans of mexican heritage) and its nothing more than rhetoric now, (to push foreward Nativist politics)
The truth is that Aztlan is a spiritual, and not political idea set foreward by a poet named Alurista in the late 60's or early seventies. He later wrote:
“People call California, Arizona, Nueva Mexico and Colorado, Aztlán, but really, Aztlán is wherever we are. We don’t recognize borders. It’s more a matter of cultural/political identity. When I say this is our land, I don’t mean that we own it. "
Aztlan was a spiritual concept which was meant to unite Americans of mexican heritage in a united civil rights movement. Latinos throughout the US were very divided because they had very different and distinct cultures from state to state. At that time we arent even talking about immigrants as we had practically open borders, and very little movement across them then and these are all families that were "anexxed" so to speak, by the united states, first as the republic of texas, and the war with mexico. they were very seperate, and distinct comunities, and as civil rights became and issue nationaly, and with several different groups, activists were looking for a way to unite them behind a common goal. Before the Chicano Movement there was no concept that united them. In other words, “Aztlan,” is spiritual concept that those people who are american, but didnt feel that they fit into the culture of a whitebread america are still a people that have a homeland, people who belong where they were born and live. Its connection to immigration is practicly nil.
Im not saying your assertation that mexican immigration is detrimental to the united states is incorrect, but you should look at who is really to blame, and know all the facts before we form an army to go beat up a bunch of dorky college kids in french hats.
Besides, PETA IS trying to steal my right to own a dog, hunt, eat hamburgers, wear a coat in the winter (all 30 minutes of it) or use new medical technology. Please dont discount, or ignore this threat.
I have the hunch that you have strong feelings on the crimigrant issue, so Im sure we wont agree, but im always glad to be able to discuss relevant issues with people who arent drooling on the themselves as they watch Al Gore on TV. Besides, if you are right, you will be better served with more information.
Ever a soldier, till the war is won.
QUOTE (guido2 @ May 18 2008, 01:06 AM)

Hello, ReverendFranz
PETA isn't trying to steal my Country, my job, my children's future, my culture, or depreciate my home values. They aren't known for driving unlicensed and un-insured and often under some degree of inebriation, along with the above-mention lack of insurance, etc.
As far as I know, they don't overlook a "culture" of child molestation. They also don't make their first act as a "temporary American" an illegal one. And one difference in "silly college movements" is the "college" thing, misguided or no, at least they have some education. Not 19th century workers in a 21 century workforce. Or worse yet, a virtual boat-anchor around the neck of our children in public schools who actually want to be educated, and have the tools to do so.
Most specifically, PETA can be easily ignored. The above is a bit more difficult...
I see you are from Arizona, why should I have to explain this to you?
Rant off, again...
Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston