Heller has been affirmed!

"Answering a 127-year old constitutional question, the Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to have a gun, at least in one’s home. The Court, splitting 5-4, struck down a District of Columbia ban on handgun possession.

Justice Antonin Scalia’s opinion for the majority stressed that the Court was not casting doubt on long-standing bans on gun possession by felons or the mentally retarded, or laws barring guns from schools or government buildings, or laws putting conditions on gun sales."

Quoted from Scotusblog.com

Now let's see where the new ban goes......................

Wow that's a lot more than just great news for our friends in DC, who can finally exercise their right to protect themselves and their families.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out with the new AWB everyone is worried about.

I wonder how long it will take for Chicago and New York City to follow suit?

Apparently the NRA is filing suit in Chicago, San Francisco and other cities immediatly.

That's awesome.

The cities will make it as hard as possible to legally own a gun in my guess. There will be so many hoops to jump through they will hope the average citizen will give up trying to buy one.

Finally a long over due decision, but, we're not in the clear yet folks:

Even though the individual right is affirmed (5 to 4), there are other issues not addressed, Jdude has the 411 on them at his blog I suggest you check them out and press your .GOV employee on them:
http://unstoppablemadman.blogspot.com/

Just saw the DC mayor telling the press that automatic and semi automatic handguns are still not allowed for the citizens of DC and that all handguns must be registered and kept strictly in the home. That's horse shit. How the hell are people supposed to learn to operate them safely?

Thought this was interesting....from the Associated Press....

"The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns."

RE-OPEN THE REGISTRY!

Hello
Good news, to be sure, but a damn 5-4 ruling is way too close a margin, in my opinion.
And, if you read some of the dissenting opinions, it's downright chilling......"Just because you live in a high-crime area of D.C. does not mean you should be able to have a gun" (paraphrased).
WTF should you have a gun for? Well, I realize that question assumes that there is some legitimate reason to actually have a gun...

We're one idiot's vote away from having our most fundamental rights kicked to the curb.
Once that one goes, better hold on, the ride will get pretty adventurous!

I'll state it again...Until they can get our guns, they will focus on our supply of ammo. Be prepared!

guido2 in Houston

Two words: Stock. Pile.

From another forum:


Fenty will push very hard to keep things "as is" in Fenty-Land even with this ruling in place...

Dumbest quote regarding the ruling I've read so far:

But Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California and a former mayor of San Francisco, said she was disappointed in the ruling. “I speak as a former mayor,” she said at a session of the Senate Judiciary Committee. “I speak as somebody who has gone to homicide crime scenes.”


I hate this cunt.

cities like SHITCAGO are already saying that the ruling only effects federal level laws, not state or local ordnances.

so the fight will go on, however they have affirmed that gun ownership is an individual right.....subject to reasonable restrictions.....that is the new boogie monster...."reasonable" what is that?

Interesting in the decisions analysis is that it stated guns for hunting and self defense are ok......what about recreational shooting?....that does not appear to be addressed

The problem with extremist positions.....in any debate, is that there is no reasonable middle ground.

the problem in this debate is that it assume that by nature of owning a gun, you are immediately a gun totting maniac who will shot innocent strangers on a street.

The vast majority of gun crimes are committed by known criminals.....how about fixing the system that just keeps letting these people back on to the street.

why is it that we assume that a short stint in prison will turn a person into law abiding citizen, able to police their own activities? and yet those of us who have never been in trouble and been to prison are not given the same benefit of the doubt, why do we get restrictions placed on us?

I hand a big steaming pile of FUCK YOU to anyone who wants to punish me for the acts of others.....

Good news, but it will not stop the gun grabbers. This case was extremely dangerous to gun owners, it could have been used to strip us of our rights yet really does very little to protect us. That is the reason that the NRA did not want it filed.

I am very thankful that it went our way, but I am also mindful that it has came very early. Predictions were that the decision would not come until after the election.

And the bitch Pelosi still cant accept the ruling,shes still got to make it look like she hasnt lost and she has control...I hate that cunt too
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2008/06/26...gun-regulation/

I think ANY LAW that affects the ability of a good standing citizen from getting ANY GUN THEY CHOOSE is bullshit and Communistic. That goes along with B.S. about registry of ANYTHING, including cans and machine guns!

The BEST PART of that page is the comment section just below HER comments... I looked a LONG WAY down that page, and I did not see ONE COMMENT that was in her favor... she is very unloved...

Great news. I saw it on the news earlier today. I agree with everyone that it's only a small victory, but it's a victory nonetheless.

At least it's a step in the right direction. Hopefully, this will get better things in motion.

to go along with that....

what the fuck precedent is this crazy bitch talking about?

"I am profoundly disappointed in Justice Roberts and Justice Alito, both of whom assured us of their respect for precedent. With this decision, 70 years of precedent has gone out the window. And I believe the people of this great country will be less safe because of it." — Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.

In regards to handguns, the local sheriff has the most power.. At least in NC... The local sheriff or CLEO can deny pistol permits for any reason he wants. A guy that worked with me said he had one denied in a county here in NC and when he asked about it, the response was that the sheriff didnt want anymore guns in his county. This is still a great victory, but as Guido stated, it was way too close for comfort.

Yeah this is great however these chickenshits should have ruled on this decades ago, as a matter of fact it should not have even gone this far. The F**king people in the 2nd are the same F**king people in the rest of the bill of rights. Furthermore, the liberal asswipes will do as they do with any decision. IGNORE IT. They only accept rulings in their favor and shit on themselves if it is not enforced to the"T". "For the people,by the people", my ass! The majority rules on stuff all the time until some liberal asshole judge say "nah, thats unconstitutional" i.e. homo marriages, no freebees for illegals, etc,etc. Stock up on the ammo that is where they will act because they saw this coming. Remember arsenal permits and body-armour piercing ammo which is ALL centerfire rifle ammo? They will use this media-contrived horse-shit to scare those limp-dick politicians into new legislation outlawing ammo. They say amongst themselves, There ain't no constitutional right to possess ammo!

If our 2nd Amendment acknowledges an individual's fundamental right to keep and bear arms, why in hell do so many accept when politicians seek to infringe that right by restricting it (registries, conditions, licensing and ammo grabs)? They just need to feed their hungry bureaucracies, but they do so with the obedience of conformists.

Fuck Congress and fuck dissenting Justices and most of all, fuck NC Sheriffs. What right do they have to curb our rights?

And whether we like it or not, by accepting the infringement of one man's right to keep and bear arms (for whatever irrational reasoning), we invite the infringement of our own. IMO, if a man is no longer allowed to protect himself effectively, he shouldn't be forced to live among dangerous people.

Afterall, it's a RIGHT to be insured by our Constitution, NOT a privilege to be stripped away at the whim of some over-stepping politician and their bleeding-heart legislation.


Molon Labe!

U S Praetorian I was thinking somewhat along the same line when I read the article about Chicago Mayor Daly's hissy fit over this ruling. For decades the courts have been used to expand the federal control over the states. Now THEY get a ruling that runs counter THEIR world view and SUDDENLY they discover state rights again. The SCOTUS, RICO, interstate commerce, 14th amendment incorporation, federal highway money bribery has been used to erode individual and state rights for decades in the name of big government and collective thinking. Daley says this decision has no impact because it is just a federal issue. THEY are going to deny the big club they have been swinging when it comes down on them.

Was she carrying her *OWN* private CCW when she visited those homicide scenes?

Typical hypocritical tit.

Or maybe she visited those homicide scenes like John Kerry supposedly visited Laos around Christmastime once in his swift boat.

Although it is true that the fight for our rights as gun owners is not over, it is also true that WE WON. Let's celebrate just a little whether it be a new gun or a toast. We need to remember that as Guido pointed out it was a narrow victory. This re-affirms why it is important to vote for the most likely to win and the most likely to make Supreme Court appointments that are in our favor. I love Ron Paul but if I vote for him I am voting for future Supreme Court justices that will be anything but strict constructionists. I am delighted and going to have an adult beverage now that work is over.

1911

well put, cheers!

+1 U.S. Praetorian! You can bet they will go after ammo. However, while the 2nd Amendment does not specifically mention a right to possess ammunition, it does protect our right to keep and bear arms for the defense of our families and country. Without ammunition, firearms are rendered useless for such purposes. Therefore, a total ban on ammunition would, in effect, infringe upon our right to keep and bear arms. In my opinion, a total ban on ammunition would be unlikely to withstand legal scrutiny (as long as reasonable judges are in place--vote accordingly). I would look for the gun-ban crowd to continue to push schemes like ammunition serialization and bans on lead in ammo. to make ammunition prohibitively expensive for most people.

Anti-gun groups will also continue to attack certain types of firearms (e.g., so-called "assault weapons"). They will argue that even if the 2nd Amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms, it does not guarantee a right to possess "super-powerful assault weapons." They will try to follow their incremental approach to banning firearms until, if they have their way, we will be left with single-shot firearms at best.

The fight to preserve our fundamental rights will never be over. Nevertheless, WE WON THIS ROUND!!!

Remeber..... 4 SCOTUS "justices", believe that the 2nd Ammendment is obsolete and "quaint". We need to get rid of these moronic assholes. The fight is JUST beginning. Have a beer or a shot and enjoy, but get ready to fight even harder.... the gungrabbers are not giving up that easy, and they not only have deep pockets, they will work tirelessly to throw our hard earned freedoms away!

This country's freedom was WON WITH MUSKETS, and cannon!!!!

I would be willing to bet, if that was all we had, we could DO IT AGAIN!!!!

Yeah, bring on the choppers and the miniguns... Bring on the tanks... If the people truly want to fight for freedom bad enough... THEY WILL WIN even if they have to use rocks and sticks!!! Every downed traitor to the flag would supply weapons to those fighting for it... and do you honestly believe that were the S to ever really HTF... and the military were to be called out against the general population... do you think that every soldier in good conscience could go up against CIVILIANS? How many of them would take the side of liberty, against illegal and unconstitutional orders?!?!?

because ultimately, there will be winners... and freedom!!! Or there will be no one left with the balls to fight for it, and it wont matter anyway... lead the sheeple to pasture. Soylent green will probably be the main course, during that era, too...

Hello, Indy
I've pondered just how much BS from a Jihadist-leaning "Commander-in-Chief" who is intent on disassembling our military machine the brave American Servicepeople would be willing to stomach.
I wonder how far they and their commanders could be pushed? When the "orders" make them intentially vulnerable, for the benefit of our enemies, how long would that be tolerated? And what would be the solution?
I can imagine some pretty interesting (and a bit scary...) scenarios taking place.

Let's face it, on a number of different levels, things are happening in "our world" that can not continue down the same path. There appears no real solution under the current system. This "pressure cooker" will have to vent at some place and time.
I think every person I know is about fed up with the complete lack of logic, common sense, ethics, and morality in our leadership.
It may be that Hussein just may be the catalyst to push it over the top.
I hope and pray that we won't have to find out.

Respectfully posted,
guido2 in Houston

(Quote)-The first step is done. Now it's time to press for all federal, state and local laws that contravene the Second Amendment be rescinded immediately. This includes the National Fire Arms Act of 1934, and the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986. As far as I'm concerned all these laws are invalid and need not be obeyed. even tho they have not been formally challenged... Yet. My right to protect my family and my property, with any means necessary, is of paramount importance in today's world. When gas gets to 5+ dollars a gallon, and Chinese made crap merchandise from Wal-Mart cost more than it used to at Sears, I intend to make sure that those who wish to steal my property will be met with more than seven .30 cal balls from a shotgun. It is coming. Be prepared.

I was also pondering the whole local legislation argument coming from the left. Everyone's sentiment on this page coincides with mine. Their selective honoring of supreme court decisions is quite hexing, and frankly, insulting. It's sad that there are so many people in this country that are oblivious to such occurrences, yet are able to vote, even though they don't give half a thought to what they are voting for.

When I was offered a choice between Traditional Army and Modern Army at the recruiters office, I chose Local Militia!



It seems as though they are preparing for domestic treason/martial law by weeding out the "patriotic" to make room for the "fully programmed." They may breathe and bleed, but their brains have been reduced to 100 Gig HDDs.

It will be hard plugging a US Infantryman, but if it is kicking down my door, it is fair game!

Roger that "t". As the 2nd was originally written, we should possess what the military "de jour" possesses. I agree all subsequent legislation should be rendered immediately invalid. Although i am not looking foward to it, the impending shitstorm is coming. This is EXACTLY why they want YOU disarmed." You got a stick I got a M1A3 Abrams", who wins?

If you have enough sticks... Eventually the sticks will win... If the sticks want it bad enough... As I wrote above... Or... There wont be any more sticks, and it wont matter...

There is a reason they "grandfather" weapons that they ban. They have no stomach for the fight that confiscation would cause.We need to keep the right to arm onesself open to all honest nonlunatic Citizens. By limiting weapons to those already possesed the supply will go away in a generation. How many guns in private hands have survived DC's 3 decade ban? Damn shure it is NOT enough to arm an effective militia marching on the District Building to restore their God given rights. 1968 was the year of the race riots in DC, as well as the gun ban. They are linked together by fear and bigotry, the so called "black leaders" in DC are all getting their $$$ so they let this racist bullshit stand. Just more proof that those with plenty $$$$$ will sell out their Mothers for more of those $$$$.