There is an article in the August '08 issue of SWAT mag. It features a test of a Krebs Custom S-12 and they use a M-D drum!
There goes the next shipment!

Now that's fun. According to their site it goes on sale tomorrow.

According to their site, it doesn't even mention a MD 20,..

Some times you get it a little sooner if you have a subscription

Picked it up at Barnes & Noble's

I wasn't questioning Paladin's information. For all I know he is on staff there. I was just indicating that you could buy a copy tomorrow if you so desired. And I think I might.

Thank God someone has an article with an MD drum.......


Nice to have quality options being shown out there. Nothing worse than a weapon being categorized due to shitty accessories, from shifty manufacturers.


Now all I have to do is get one of Mike's drums, and life can go on.

Cool...there's another thing I don't have to keep under my hat any more!

How ya like that you WM losers?

Hmmmm, did bvamp hack your account?

still looking for a drum...whos got one they would like to get rid of? i wont give up until i find one...so dont bitch at me if i post in a thread that talks about MD 20's...

Only in his wildest cream dreams glocker...

Sicktooth are you trying to say you want to buy my beta test drum?

PM SENT

I'll take that as a yes.

OK let me explain something to you. Mine is one of 15 that were sent out to us with one purpose in mind. That was to test and evaluate and to give feedback on. Also to compare our results with the final run when it is READY. ONE was given away in a guessing game.

These ARE the only MD Arms drums in existance, aside from the rest of the ones Mike has himself.

What you are asking us is to doublecross Mike IMO and sell you something to make a profit off something HE TRUSTED US with.

I take offense at that. Just like I take offense at all these assclowns who come here almost every day and imply that there are no such thing as these drums, or ask when they are shipping and why they haven't gotten theirs yet if I have one. It shows ignorance that they didn't read all the available info and are jumping to conclusions.

If they post impatient threads and say stuff like
"still looking for a drum...whos got one they would like to get rid of? i wont give up until i find one...so dont bitch at me if i post in a thread that talks about MD 20's... "

I get pissed off, and rightfully so.

It's not too much worse than finding a loophole in the written rules of the forum and posting shit just to test our patience here.

I'll tell you one time, and I hope I speak for all 15 of us beta testers....

My drum is not for sale AT ANY PRICE. You need to WAIT just like all the rest of the guys.

I sure miss seeing the two drums Glocker use to have on his avtar

*sniffle* Me too, but the boss spoke...

Didnt need to, I already knew about this as well. There will be some other interesting things popping up this year as well. Like I keep saying, it will be the year for Saigas.

I will have another larger offering going up in the coming week or so. I hope everyone has an umbrella, because its going to rain saigas shortly, and with that, comes a rain of new users.

Hopefully, the MD20 will get released already, and put WM out of business.

so basically you asked me if i wanted to buy your betta, not knowing anything about them for one, just so you could yell at me? WHY THE FUCK DID YOU EVEN ASK ME IF I WANTED TO BUY IT THEN!? i even PM'ed you asking if this was a joke....mabey you could have been civilized and not called me out in front of everyone...i just don't get it. why am i all of a sudden an assclown full of ignorance? THAT SHIT DON'T FLY MAN, WTF!? and to say i want you to DOUBLE CROSS mike is another outlandish statement.

also this is America, why cant i ask a simple question? there was NOTHING, I REPEAT , NOTHING in the AD rules saying i couldn't post something to trade. now correct me if im wrong here, but humans cannot foresee the future OR read minds. sorry for "testing your patience"...but i am in no way in the wrong here. i read it...and i posted. i didn't know i had to ask a MOD if i could post something first.

this is just a big pile of BS if you ask me...and to post in a thread instead of just talking man-to-man would have done this more justice than blowing up on me in front of the whole forum....thanks allot.

p.s. i guess ill wait like the rest of you...i think that what cobra is trying to convey.

I'm sorry if you feel like I made an example out of you and your request. I was attempting to get the message out yet again, that there ARE no drums anywhere for sale. I didn't offer to sell you my drum, I asked if you were trying to buy it... or one of the other 14 that are out there (that should not be for sale). Are you sayin that after all the threads that have been started about these drums, you still didn't know that this was the case? From your above comment about "don't bitch at me if I post about drums...", I assumed you had heard enough times what the deal is. I If so then that is the exact reason I made one more attempt here to make it clear to everyone once and for all that THERE ARE NO MD ARMS DRUMS IN PRIVATE HANDS THAT ARE FOR SALE. In fact today is supposed to be the very day they start getting made finally. I also didn't say you were double crossing Mike. I said I would be doing that , or anyone else IMO, if I / they sold you my / their test drum and made money off of something that was sent to me...or them... for free.

From your post it was obvious that you already knew this was a sore subject. My response is a good example of what happens when people push too hard. I pushed back. Yes...I was trying again to convey that EVERYONE needs to sit back and wait. Maybe, just maybe.... this will be the last thread that goes south because of these drums. I sure hope so.

And about your rules violation the other day....did you receive a warning? No, you did not. Your thread was deleted by another mod and you were sent a PM explaining why that happened...accompanied by an apology from myself on the open forum, along with the PM. We thought it was clear to everyone that a WTT ad was the same as a WTS ad. Apparently not, so we are now working on a rewording of the rules to include a clear definition of just what an AD is. Thank you for helping bring that oversight to our attention.

I had it occur to me, that I was under the impression that this article was supposed to come out next month, for some reason.

Maybe thats a sign of the drums becoming available sooner than anticipated or something, dunno. Maybe I have it wrong in my head.

Well, now that some of the drama has died down, I will also mention that in the same mag is an article about the MGM Ironman. A freaking 1100 round 3 gun!!!! The guy writing the article is none other than Larry Correia from Fuzzy Bunny. He used a S12 for the event and broke the trigger pin. I have never heard of that failure?

Sorry for the drama. I'll try very hard in the future to totally ignore drum threads.

Maybe they should be titled "pa rum pum pum" till the little drummer boy gets to shipping.

So has anyone actually read the article and care to comment on their findings?

Since you asked I'll write up a short recap tonight. The bottom line was that they thought it offered premium performance over conventional types of shotguns for LE and civilians.

(They did some pattern testing and found that at 50yds the Remington std. 1 oz. slug group the best @ 1.69" And with buck Rem. L/E 9 had a 12" spread with all hits COM @25yrds. Which I thought was pretty good, but that will vary gun to gun.)

Thanks I'd like to get the article but I'm not sure where they sell it around here...

Just bought one today good article I am glad I bought my S12 I forsee it be coming expensive in the future.
here is what Steve malloy said at the end of his writing " After educating myself on the positive aspects of KCI-converted Saiga12 AK-47 type shotgun, I would not hestate to use it for duty or home protection ."