There has been lots of problems with BLM shooting ranges in California confiscating guns, and even trying to prosecute owners. BLM seems to have some special unit that gears up like spec ops comandos to mess with law abiding citizens at their shooting ranges. They specificaly target "evil looking stuff". I was approached by these guys at a range outside of Ridgecrest and they wanted to take my Saigas and AKs, luckily I was shooting with my Sherriff buddy who told them they are full of sh!t and I ended up just leaving the range with my stuff. About a month or so ago at the same range, these BLM "commandos" confiscated a guys AR build (built by a local CHP officer as a gift) and tried to prosecute. The Kern County DA refused to prosecute him, but sent his gun away to the DOJ. Lots of similar stories coming out of cali, I just happen to finally almost fall victim.

FYI: These are NOT California LEO doing this, this is Federal BLM employees! You know, the ones that used to put out wild fires and issue off-road permits.

Desert dog did they ask for your papers and your permits to shoot? BLM federal agents asking to confiscate your legal guns. WTF is going on in this country. This is bullshit I know im going to get flamed now but fuck it.

WHAT A BUNCH OF JACK BOOTED THUGS, AND THEY WILL SAY THEY WERE ONLY DOING THEIR JOBS BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now im all for LE don't get me wrong. I have family and friends that are LE, and im testing in october for a job with our local corrections.
I just ask myself and others how much of this liberal anti gun BULLSHIT are we going to take?
Everybody knows what happens when someone is backed up in a corner. That person has no choice but to come out fighting for their lives.
Im surprised they not just goind door to door asking for your guns in that fucked up state...
Whatever in done.

I just thought that I would share, that under the patriot act, ANY firearm that LEO lands hands on and takes, EVEN IF THE OWNER IS NOT BREAKING THE LAW AT THE TIME, once they have it in thier hands, they do NOT have to relinquish it.

Someone with more time, patience, and money SHOULD be able to win a large civil suit against a court that decides to do this, however. I myself, just wanted to be done with the whole thing, and wound up packing up and leaving.

I think the best part of that whole thing (I ranted about that a couple years ago on here, and its been tossed since then) was when myself and my mother were in the side chamber to the court while it was in session, having it out with the local cops, then re-entiring court to a silent town, with the entire police force wide eyed with hands on thier sidearms! And yes, it was thrown out.

But they never gave me my guns back that they took illegally. I was even told through a lawyer that the DA knew that I would win a lawsuit, but they would make it take years and years, and cost me tens of thousands of dollars.

I have a lot of faith in the officers, but not the courts that those same officers work for.

The only suggestion that I have, is to do what I did, and come election season, go full balls on supporting opposing pro-gun local candidates for office, and have them put into office. It all starts at the local level, and if we dont combat it at that point, when it is still sprouting it's socialist liberal and facist seed, we are going to regret our inaction some day.

Someone forgot to tell us in the Dallas PD that.

Can you source that claim for us?

Holy Shit!
Good thing you have a Republican Governator!
....Uhhhh....Wait a minute....Didn't that muscle-bound sissy recently volunteer to serve in Emperor Hussein's Cabinet?
These two actions must be merely coincidental, right? Right? Left? Facist?

Y'all need to do some serious housecleaning.....

guido2 in Houston

sure, if you want to help me recoup some of the 4 grand I spent on that case, Ill go dig in the lawbooks and give you copies of the crap.

I really am sorry to be snide about it, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth from that whole affair, and also am tired of digging up laws for people that question what I am saying, even though I have seen it first hand, as in this case. Yeh, I know, the law in all states have provisions and time tables for handing over firearms to various caretakers and such.

like i said though, the DA said that I would win a lawsuit against the town, and recover my guns, but they would make it cost me dearly. I was already being harrassed by the local PD, and really did not want to escallate it into a personal war with the town at that point, although I could (and should) have.

so like I said, if you would like to help me recoup the 4 grand I spent, Ill dig it up for you.

So, what you are saying is that no, it's not a provision of the Patriot Act, no, it's not even legal at all... In fact, it's the actions of a corrupt DA and PD... but you are still going to blame it on the Patriot Act?

Honestly, you should have sued the town. You could have found a lawyer to take the case pro bono. It's pretty open and shut. They must return your property. Tack on compensatory damages, and add your legal fees to the demanded injuries. If the PD did actually refuse to return your property to you, you could have made yourself and a smart lawyer quite a tiddy fee.

Oh, also. Unless you want to look just as much like a lieing schmuk as the DA and PD who stole your property, stop claiming the Patriot Act gives them the authority to do so. You don't have to put on the act about "digging up" anything. It's not in there.

alrighty then. if you insist, sir!

I had a neighbor that worked for the ATF, actually, and that is the source of my info.

like I said, if you want physical information out of me about this, you have to pay me for it, because it wasnt free for ME.

sorry!

Would this be the same ATF responsible for Ruby Ridge, Waco and the Cavalry Arms raid amongst other things?

And the same ATF that wants any PD, SO, etc to send them all confiscated weapons so they can "dispose" of them for you.

This is bullshit already.

Go open the gigantic federal law book that I was handed and that I read it in, and find it yourself, or you can PAY ME for my time and effort.

I couldn't find anything about LEO's right to confiscate legally owned weapons from US citizens or residents under the provision of the Patriot Act. I would think NRA would be very vocal about this issue.

Bvamp, I'm really sorry about your ordeal, I can understand how one might feel when the government barges into their life like that as I grew up in the former Soviet Union. If you happen to talk to your neighbor, ask him which part of the Patriot Act allows for such a blatant violation of our civil rights.

I tried to skim through the PA, but couldn't find anything of relevance. I hate reading legal stuff as they always use references to other things that you have to know in order to follow along.

Here is a link to the Patriot Act:
http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

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Our girly man governator is the same one that signed the bills to ban lead ammo in most hunting area of Kallyfornia. This was to protect the Condors, you know the same glorified buzzards that were too dumb to fly away from the recent wild fires out here. And he's also the same one who signed the microstamping bill that will scare away many hand gun manufacturers here in the PRK. And he's the same one who also signed the bill banning 50 cal rifles, you know the ones all the gang bangers use...LOL He's another big dissapointment to law abiding gun owners. He is a fraud

Steroids are a horrible thing aren't they!

I am a Paaty POOPah!

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Wait... you want me to find a law that I'm telling you doesn't exist? I hope you see the logic flaw there.

You're just being an ass now. Cut the garbage about "time and money". You've clearly demonstrated that you have plenty of time to spend posting here. Cut the crap. Either pony up something to support your claim or admit that you tossed out something that wasn't true.

+1

"I tried to skim through the PA, but couldn't find anything of relevance. I hate reading legal stuff as they always use references to other things that you have to know in order to follow along."


therein lies why I require payment. It wasnt free for me.

anyhow, I caught some rudeness, maybe it wasnt intended, but Im outta here.

have fun with this topic, guys!

I'm not taking my Saigas to the range anymore....only my bolt action rifles...I want to keep mine!

They will have to come to me to get them...GOOD LUCK!!!!

This is why i live any iowa, don't shoot the neighbors cow and it's all good. No peoples republic of NY or california to deal with. Our govenor is no gun guy either but he has his hands tied with other things. And no offence to bvamp but i would have sued the city and the local PD for a tidy sum of money. I'm sure there would have been a lawyer to take the case.
Just my to cents, and why i decided not to move to hawaii after a vacation there because of their gun laws. No high cap magazines and no 50cal.

‘‘SEC. 706. FIREARMS POLICIES.
‘‘(a) PROHIBITION ON CONFISCATION OF FIREARMS.—No officer
or employee of the United States (including any member of the
uniformed services), or person operating pursuant to or under color
of Federal law, or receiving Federal funds, or under control of
any Federal official, or providing services to such an officer,
employee, or other person, while acting in support of relief from
a major disaster or emergency, may—
‘‘(1) temporarily or permanently seize, or authorize seizure
of, any firearm the possession of which is not prohibited under
.
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120 STAT. 1392 PUBLIC LAW 109–295—OCT. 4, 2006
Federal, State, or local law, other than for forfeiture in compliance
with Federal law or as evidence in a criminal investigation;
‘‘(2) require registration of any firearm for which registration
is not required by Federal, State, or local law;
‘‘(3) prohibit possession of any firearm, or promulgate any
rule, regulation, or order prohibiting possession of any firearm,
in any place or by any person where such possession is not
otherwise prohibited by Federal, State, or local law; or
‘‘(4) prohibit the carrying of firearms by any person otherwise
authorized to carry firearms under Federal, State, or
local law, solely because such person is operating under the
direction, control, or supervision of a Federal agency in support
of relief from the major disaster or emergency.
‘‘( LIMITATION.—Nothing in this section shall be construed
to prohibit any person in subsection (a) from requiring the temporary
surrender of a firearm as a condition for entry into any
mode of transportation used for rescue or evacuation during a
major disaster or emergency, provided that such temporarily surrendered
firearm is returned at the completion of such rescue or
evacuation.
‘‘© PRIVATE RIGHTS OF ACTION.—
‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—Any individual aggrieved by a violation
of this section may seek relief in an action at law, suit in
equity, or other proper proceeding for redress against any person
who subjects such individual, or causes such individual
to be subjected, to the deprivation of any of the rights, privileges,
or immunities secured by this section.
‘‘(2) REMEDIES.—In addition to any existing remedy in law
or equity, under any law, an individual aggrieved by the seizure
or confiscation of a firearm in violation of this section may
bring an action for return of such firearm in the United States
district court in the district in which that individual resides
or in which such firearm may be found.
‘‘(3) ATTORNEY FEES.—In any action or proceeding to enforce
this section, the court shall award the prevailing party, other
than the United States, a reasonable attorney’s fee as part
of the costs.’’.

Um...

You live in Texas.

You can have a .50 bmg in Hawaii. You just can't shoot it at the state owned range. The PD and military use the state range to practice when the range is closed to the public and some soldier fired a .50 over one of the mountains and the round hit a house on the other side. Ever since then, the state banned .50s from the range. We've heard you can still shoot them at the military range, but we've never confirmed that.

What sucks more than the .50 cal issues is no NFA here.

LMFAO I was thinking the same damn thing!

never known a DA to give "legal" advice in a civil suit or any other time?

worked well in N.O. take a man's marlin but don't take the Nike's or Heineken.

Hey I said I could get the 300$ gun back. I also said I was informed via proxy that the DA intended to make it take years and loads of money to do so. I also pointed out that the local PD had begun harrassing me. I may or may not have ALSO stated that I moved out of that jurisdiction about a month later.


It was a combination of THREE pieces of law, all in separate parts of penal code both at federal and local levels. The one that was shown to me by my aforementioned neighbor, was in fact part of the patriot act that the shithead DA quoted in court.

After being spoken to rudely outright, I think Ill leave it to you fine fellows to find out how they fucked me over. I already know, and Im not going through thousands of pages of laws to recover proof for someone on the internet.

I will note that I joined the NRA about a month after my case was expunged.


I will also tell you all what I learned. Dont EVER call the police for help. Handle the situation yourself, and let them come if they have a problem with it. NEVER allow entry into your home by ANY member of the court, including the PD. Dont even let them on your property, and dont believe their bullshit reasons for it, either. You can hear the nice officers quite fine while they stand on the TOWN's road, and YOU stand INSIDE the variance (normally 8-10 feet) on your property.

Oh, and IMMEDIATELY press criminal charges on whoever you can, and SEE WHAT STICKS. Be sure when the case is expunged, to get a copy of the court documents and IMMEDIATELY follow a civil rights lawsuit.

If you want to know the law, hire a lawyer like I did.

Good luck!

Keep in mind;

These were NOT California LEOs, my local LE folks are very pro-gun. My local DA will not pursue these cases either

These were Feds....BLM

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madmax4x4 -

This was passed in response to what happened in New Orleans and was signed into law by President Bush. Suggest you print out a copy and keep it with your guns. Rules is Rules and The Law is the Law. It might come in handy one day.

1911

Oh give it up. You're a daytime soap opera. You made a claim. You made no effort to back it up... and now you're talking about rude behavior? Get a grip. Rude is making a claim and not attempting to back it up at all then telling people to go find it themselves.

I just realized you're the same guy that started the "Minutemen are under attack" thread and pulled the same BS there. It's a recurring disfunction.

Honestly, answer me this question. Why should anyone pay attention to anything you have to say?


Seriously, stop listening to Art Bell.



Hard to do if we wre to follow your previous advice of never calling the police.

yeh, yer right Will.

Glad you got a kick out of it! Seriously, it's kinda scary to think what could be comming to a 'theatre' near you soon....

Has anyone brought this issue up on Calguns? Someone else may have had a similar experience. If not it would at least make more Californians aware of the situation.

Duke of SD

I would also be interested in hearing more info on this. Seems kinda... I dunno... illegal.

Fugetaboudet

You hit that right on the head about Callyfornia. That's why I didn't totally convert my 308 and 7.62 to PG configuration. With the standard stocks on both its really easy to throw the "its just like a Mini-14" logic at the LEO's and I might add the only one that even began to hassle me was a BLM Ranger down at the border. After I rattled off all the regulations at him and showing how legal it was. he wandered off to chase 4x4's and quads!
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Here in Cali. and especially those of us on calguns,know the laws. Now trying to make sense of the laws in impossible. If you want to do a conversion it's no problem as long as the mag needs a tool to be dropped (bullet button,radlock,etc). If you want drop mags then get a monster man grip. I don't like having to alter my firearms but making love to my wife and holding my childern is a lot better than a stretch in prison. The laws are written to be confusing but as long as you take your time and read them and understand them you'll be O.K. I have quite a few cop buddies and I make sure they KNOW the laws.

I've been traveling for the past several weeks and just saw this post. BLM is a federal agency and any issues involving a federal agency should be addressed at the federal level. If it is not already to late to recover your rifle I highly suggest that you bring this matter to the attention of your congressman and senator that represents your district/region. I was a federal agent for 5 years and a DA Investigator for 22 years and the actions of the BLM from what I have read were egregious and without legal justification. What puzzles me is the BLM's jursidiction should be limited to federally owned lands and even further limited to enforcing firearms regulations on non-federal lands. I am assuming your shooting range was in county/city jurisdiction and should therefore fall under the jurisdiction of the ATF. It wouldn't hurt you to go to your local ATF office with your DROS and get their opinion on your situtation. FYI, federal LEAs are really touchy about other agencies poaching in their jurisdiction especially without giving a courtsey call to advance notice of shooting range inspection. The ATF office may even give you advice on how best to recover your rifle. The best scenario would be to get your local ATF office to call the BLM office. My last suggestion is to definitely contact the NRA-ILA (the legal arm of NRA) let them know about your situation. This type of abuse has to be confronted immediately--so for all the rest of us don't let it go uncontested. At a minimum contact the NRA regardless of your membership status. Keep us posted.

quote name='SJgunguy24' post='257223' date='Aug 20 2008, 12:57 AM']Here in Cali. and especially those of us on calguns,know the laws. Now trying to make sense of the laws in impossible. If you want to do a conversion it's no problem as long as the mag needs a tool to be dropped (bullet button,radlock,etc). If you want drop mags then get a monster man grip. I don't like having to alter my firearms but making love to my wife and holding my childern is a lot better than a stretch in prison. The laws are written to be confusing but as long as you take your time and read them and understand them you'll be O.K. I have quite a few cop buddies and I make sure they KNOW the laws.[/quote]

Very True...words of wisdom to be sure. We have to get the voting public educated on gun matters and vote out these socialist politicians.

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ayespin,

These incidents are happening on Federal (BLM) land. BLM has several shooting ranges / areas on their land open to the public. No probelms with local or state LE - just the feds. From what I understand, This is not just a California problem my friends, the BLM has become very anti 2nd ammendment.

The individual I descibed is in litigation now. Calguns removed the threads related to this incident pending litigation. It has been asked that we stay idle until the situation is sorted out in court. I will try to keep you posted on the outcome. My guns were not taken, but I was threatened. This is not just a California problem.

California state politics have pretty much given up on gun grabbing. They are now trying to regulate ammunition purchases, to save cops from killer bullets and regulate the people that stockpile or regularly shoot killer bullets. Gun control has lost public favor in California, so now its ammo control - which is much worse.