I have a seen a couple of adapters out there.

What do you think the best option is for this? Due to having a pistol grip in NJ, I cannot have a threaded barrel too. What are my options?

thanks

-Joe

Better yet, a part that is American made would be nice.

-Joe

This is actually exactly what you're looking for - http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=26908&hl= .

But I checked his site, and I didn't see them. Maybe you can get a hold of him to see when they are coming out.

Cool, thanks!

-Joe

No offence, but I wouldn't hold my breath on DPH's muzzle brake. I placed my order in May, and have yet to receive it. I called him twice since then, and was told their machinist would be machinining a batch the following week to go out for delivery. I never saw the brakes go back on the web site, and never received mine.

Damn, that sucks. I won't be ordering for a little while anyway actually.

-Joe

Yeah, I checked too, and didn't see them. But this is exactly what the OP needs, so hopefully they start selling them soon.

Could you thread it and then weld, silver solder, or blind pin it? OR is even a permanent brake out of the question in Jersey?

Not really sure about that, I just know that a threaded barrel is a no no.

-Joe

Yeah, I am not up on NJ laws but since it will be permanganate attached....

If it's anything like NY, you can have the barrel threaded, and then have a brake permanently attached, per the methods Moxie listed.

Dinzag sold me a tack welded a muzzle brake on a new FSB (with cleaning rod holder). Was very reasonable cost (far far less than having the barrel threaded then brake welded on).

Reach out to him he can help. Great guy.

Thanks for the replies guys. That makes sense I guess, if it is welded.

I love the look of your Saiga. Would you mind going into details about the furniture, grip?

That is the 15 round mag right? Which one would you recommend? There don't seem to be tons of options out there for 15 round mags.

-Joe

Is that actually a flash suppressor though? I can't have one if I'm using a pistol grip. Ughhhh.

-Joe

One more newb question: Whats does FSB stand for? Please don't throw any tomatoes at me...

-Joe

Front Sight Block.

Thanks!

-Joe

No, it is a muzzle brake and here is the way that Bob Ash so very well explained it to me. A muzzle brake has slots that are perpendicular to the barrel. A flash hider has slots that are parallel to the barrel.

Muzzle Brake
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Flash Hider
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Thanks for the clarification!

-Joe

Joe, thanks for the compliment. I actually have this site to thank for all the help!

- Furniture - KVar black Nato length stock kit (US parts). - (bought at KVar).

All the following purchased from Dinzag

- Front sight base, threads turned down (no bayo lug), muzzle brake welded on, barrel pin to press new FSB on

- Tapco G2 trigger kit modded for saiga

- bullet guide kit

- Lower handguard retainer - bolt on

- Ak gas tube

- Cleaning rod

For magazines, Im going with either double stack Chinese 10 rounders, or modded 30 to 15 rounders (cut down 30's)

- touch up paint for bottom of receiver- youll need it after you cut off trigger guard etc from stock saiga (BBQ high heat touch up paint - think its rustoleum)

Hope this helps - IM me if you need any help.

Can you use a threaded adapter? I used to have one on my Saiga until I threaded my barrel. It was held by four set screws which had Loctite on the threads. One time it shot off and I had to go 30 yards downrange to retrieve it. I later reinstalled it with super glue which held it in place.

Damn, that's a good way to tell. I've never thought about it that way. I always went on the fact that brakes have an inner diameter almost the same size as the bore, while the inner diameter of a FH is opened up.

About 15 round mags, I remember reading you could use these - http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?Id=6adb...16-525485097a84 in your factory 10 round mags, and it would now hold 15 rounds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

That makes 2 of us, more people as well i'm sure. It's going on 4 months now, i want my money back.

No offense taken on my part.....the one thing I cant control is the shop that we use. They give us CNC time just like all of their other customers. We did not fore see the problems with the original design and therefore the CNC time that we had ran out on us. The new design is there and it is rock solid. I talked to the shop last week and they are telling me that they should be running them in the next 2 weeks. Again, I cant control that. If this were something that we were not going to do....I would let everyone know. Just give us a few more weeks.

Scott

Thanks for the reply Scott. It is nice to see you on here and getting the word out.

Amen on the machine shop though....every order they get is always a "priority" order for someone. Ive got a shop engine shop down the street and they run a dyno too. Man, that place is always hopping and there are always guys looking to get some time in there

OK. Thanks for the response. I'm really looking forward to the brake once it comes in, I have my order in already, and will probably be ordering the flash hider once that comes in as well.

I talked to the shop today and he said he will deliver them to me at the Charlotte Gun Show on the 14th of this month...........not much longer.


scott

About 15 round mags, I remember reading you could use these - http://www.tapco.com/proddesc.aspx?Id=6adb...16-525485097a84 in your factory 10 round mags, and it would now hold 15 rounds. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.


If you don't want to buy those followers you can cut yours down. The rear of the follower should be marked at 1" thats from the flat area of the top of the follower. Mark the front at 3/4" where the follower is open, now connect the lines and cut .(I used tin snips) The pointy things in the plastic inner base plate need to go. Now trim the spring,as I count 14 coils one side 15 other side,cut to 8-9. Slap that back together and your GTG. I tested mine and it runs good and tapco aint got my cash. This works on factory 10 rd 7.62X39 only!!!! If you try this mod on another type of mag and fuck it up please don't blame me. You should of payed more attention when taking them apart. Now I have heard some of the mags have little guide rails for the follower so don't cut down that far.

Any update on news the non- threaded muzzle break ?

Thanks - Manny

We have a working prototype but it is too bulky. I just sent a new CAD model to the shop today and they agree that we need to try it out. Hopefully I will have that sample next week. I'll keep you guys updated.

Scott

I called on this item and the man said one month and they may be on the website. Could not give me rough cost.

I should have the much smaller...scaled down version of our "no thread" muzzle brake next week. I can assure you that they are coming but not until I am 100% satisfied that it is right.

Scott

GREAT !!!! Be sure and post here when they are ready!!!

Update, price and delivery and pics?

We have been in contact with Max here about coming on board so we are just waiting to hear back from him before we do a lot of posting. We are trying to be respectful of the rules here.

Scott

Hello

is it the difference in the amount of barrel in front of the front site block that keeps something like this to be used on a Saiga?

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/AKS015-1.html

I also want to throw a brake on my Saiga, but don't have any state laws regulating how I can do it. Should I just thread the end of the barrel and but a screw on brake?

We have our new NO THREAD muzzle brakes out getting black oxide finish put on them. We will have them in stock next week and I'm going to one last round of testing while our provisional patent is being processed. I should be able to start shipping them out by the 17th.

Scott

greedily awaiting the arrival of this product... have any preliminary pricing or product info yet?

We do have some preliminary info on them but we are not releasing anything yet. They are currently in the hands of a class 3 manufacturer who will be doing torture testing this week on full auto Saiga 7.62's. We want to make sure that we are 100% there on this version. Additionally, we are waiting to hear back from the lawyer on the provisional patent. Hopefully I will have all the info early next week. We will actually have deliverable product in the warehouse this week but we will not ship anything until everything is cleared.

scott

Is there any way to pre-order these? How many do you have in stock waiting 'til every thing is ready?

Thanks,

Carl

Are you taking orders?

Scott,

Price and delivery?

We make a few versions of our KA-1230 brake that are crosspinned in place like the FSB is. We also have installation jigs for making the two needed radius cuts in the barrel. If the muzzle OD is .550", .555", .568", or .585" you're in luck

KA-1230 page

OK,sorry to have been away as long as I have, I didnt want to "ruffle" feathers anymore than they already had been...

Now, moving forward.....

I have been to the lawyers office and the patent papers will be signed next Thursday. I will post pics on Friday to show you guys what we have come up with on the INTERCHANGABLE NO THREADING REQUIRED muzzle attachment for the 7.62 and the .223 rifles. Actually, it can be made to work on virtually any firearm that doesnt have threads on the muzzle.

The lawyer says no presales!!!! no pictures!!!! and dont give out any details until the papers are signed, so with that, stay tuned till next week.

Scott

Too Late......Already threaded my barrel.

Scott,

As someone with a few patents in the high tech industry, I can tell you that your lawyer is exactly right. I know that this may not be popular to say, but you need to do what it takes to protect your invention. These things take time, and unfortunately can't be rushed.

Thanks for not giving up on this. Get the paperwork done the right way. We'll be here when you're ready...

Carl

Patience......all good things come to those who wait. Here is a picture of our NO THREAD REQUIRED MUZZLE ATTACHMENT. We finally signed the patent pending paperwork today and the lawyer says we are good to go on advertising and selling these. We have a show this weekend so I will be away. I will try to get these on the site early next week.

Scott
This is the only picture I have right now but I will get better ones next week. It is an actual picture not a photoshop. The flash hider does screw off and on. You can change muzzle attachment whenever you want.

Pricing?!?

These are really nice brakes and hiders fellas. I saw them at the show. Well worth the wait.