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1911
What makes this story interesting is that the weapon of choice was a "22-millimeter caliber handgun" which would give it a bore diameter of 0.8667999999999999 inches which is considerably larger than your 12-gauge. The other interesting thing is that the "school janitor Jukka Forsberg" is an expert in weapons because he has identified the weapon as an "automatic pistol". Very interesting how accurate the reporting is. rolleyes.gif
1911

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426210,00.html

Suspected Gunman Was Questioned Before Shooting Massacre at Finnish School

HELSINKI, Finland — A gunman opened fire at a vocational school for adults in western Finland on Tuesday before shooting himself, police said. Finnish media reported nine people were killed and the gunman died later at the hospital from his injuries.

The shootings began just before 11 a.m. local time as about 150 students went to class in Kauhajoki, 180 miles northwest of Helsinki. Witnesses said panic broke out as the hooded gunman entered the school and began firing.

"Within a short space of time I heard several dozen rounds of shots, in other words it was an automatic pistol," school janitor Jukka Forsberg told broadcaster YLE. "I saw some female students who were wailing and moaning and one managed to escape out of the back door."

Finland's interior minister said the shooter was questioned by police a day before the massacre but released.

Anne Holmlund says the gunman was detained for questioning on Monday about YouTube postings in which he is seen firing a handgun. She says police released him because they had no legal reason to keep him detained.

She says the man used a 22-millimeter caliber handgun in Tuesday's attack. Holmlund says he got the license for the gun in August.

YLE, citing police at the school, reported nine people were killed. The Finnish news agency STT said the school building was on fire and the gunman reportedly had explosives on him.

Jussi Muotio, superintendent of the Kauhajoki police, confirmed that several people had been wounded but could not immediately confirm the deaths. "The incident is over now," Muotio said.

The gunman, a student at the school in the town of Kauhajoki, opened fire inside the building for some time before he shot himself, police said.

A Finnish hospital official said the gunman was "severely injured" by a gunshot wound to head, and died at the hospital.

Rescue personnel around the school had been unable to help while the student was continuing to fire in the building, said rescue squad coordinator Kari Saarinen, chief physician at Senajoki Hospital.

College rector Timo Varmola told YLE there were 150 students in the school at the time.

The shootings happened almost a year after another gunman killed eight people and himself at a school in southern Finland, an attack that triggered a fierce debate about gun laws in this Nordic nation with deep-rooted traditions of hunting in the sub-Arctic wilderness.

With 1.6 million firearms in private hands, Finland is an anomaly in Europe, lagging behind only the United States and Yemen in civilian gun ownership, studies show.

Finnish media said YouTube clips of a man firing a gun appeared to be linked to the shooting. In one of them, a young man wearing a leather jacket fires several shots in rapid succession with a handgun at what appears to be a shooting range.

The posting was made five days before the shooting and the location was given as Kauhajoki. The posting included a message saying: "Whole life is war and whole life is pain. And you will fight alone in your personal war."

The person who posted the clip identified himself as a 22-year-old with the name "Mr. Saari." He also posted three other clips of himself firing a handgun in the past three weeks.

Clips from the 1999 Columbine school shootings in Colorado were listed among his favorite videos.

Police could not immediately confirm whether the postings were linked to Tuesday's shooting.

Last year, Pekka-Eric Auvinen, described by police as a bullied 18-year-old outcast, opened fire at his high school in southern Finland on Nov. 7. He killed six students, a school nurse and the principal before ending his own life with a gunshot to the head.

Finnish investigators have said Auvinen left a suicide note for his family and foreshadowed his attack in YouTube postings.

After Auvinen's rampage, the government said it would raise the minimum age for buying guns from 15 to 18, but insisted there was no need for sweeping changes to Finland's gun laws.
Vultite
holy shit, where can i get my 22MM handgun? I bet that sneaky weapons expert janiter can show me how to use it in full auto!! lol happy.gif
Bean.223
NOW THAT is an airsoft gun!!!! wacko.gif
Bean.223
BTW, in all seriousness, i found the vids, this guy was a disturbed individual.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=00d_1222165221


The odd one.


http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=33d_1222168770
ReverendFranz
did you just link to Fox and then point out it wasnt accurate or well written? rolleyes.gif well, duh.
1911
QUOTE (ReverendFranz @ Sep 23 2008, 08:18 PM) *
did you just link to Fox and then point out it wasnt accurate or well written? rolleyes.gif well, duh.

I put the link for those who wanted it, I posted the story because I have had people complain when I just post a link. I did so to point out that our media is not the only one that is biased and I thought it was interesting just how off base this was. Sorry you felt "duh" after you read it. Do you feel that way often? Perhaps you are too smart for my posts. rolleyes.gif

1911
waltham_41
QUOTE (1911 @ Sep 23 2008, 09:31 PM) *
QUOTE (ReverendFranz @ Sep 23 2008, 08:18 PM) *
did you just link to Fox and then point out it wasnt accurate or well written? rolleyes.gif well, duh.

I put the link for those who wanted it, I posted the story because I have had people complain when I just post a link. I did so to point out that our media is not the only one that is biased and I thought it was interesting just how off base this was. Sorry you felt "duh" after you read it. Do you feel that way often? Perhaps you are too smart for my posts. rolleyes.gif

1911



He shoots! He scores!!!!! naaaa.gif naaaa.gif naaaa.gif
Racer 27
QUOTE (1911 @ Sep 23 2008, 11:25 AM) *
Finnish media said YouTube clips of a man firing a gun appeared to be linked to the shooting. In one of them, a young man wearing a leather jacket fires several shots in rapid succession with a handgun at what appears to be a shooting range.



1911 not directed at you at all, keep all of these kinds of posts coming. This article just seems to be poorly written.

Why is this, scratch that. How is a clip of a man firing a gun "linked" to the shooting? Was this report made by a student of the school that the shooting happened in?
ReverendFranz
that was all my point was as well, and the reason i try and avoid fox, just an observation.

He was linked to the videos as the police talked to him about the videos he posted on Youtube, but found no wrongdoing, though the next day he, and 10 other students are now dead.

Very sad situation in a case where there seem to have been many many warning signs but little involvement by others, it will most likely become a big issue as more details come up, and ive heard it has already been mentioned by several british legislators just the week after they convinced youtube to censor gun videos that might be construed to incite or glamorize violence there.

here is an earlier article
1911
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1723730.ece Originally the article mirrored The Sun article as though they were posted hastily to get the news out. They have both been updated since. Fox tells us the "Neulaniemi, who is heading the investigation of Tuesday's shootings, said he had also written that the solution was a Walther 22, referring to the .22-caliber pistol he used in the attack." Fair and balanced is only available at FOX. At other outlets THEY decide and then report. tongue.gif
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