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semiautoken
Do you or dont you register your guns if Obama takes over?

What do you think?
152dbs
QUOTE (semiautoken @ Oct 6 2008, 07:47 PM) *
Do you or dont you register your guns if Obama takes over?

What do you think?



what guns?
Gas Giant
I sold all mine
except the .22
(to my wife)
Vultite
won't ever happen, no matter who's voted in
evildog69
what guns, i'm afraid of guns 021.gif 021.gif 021.gif 021.gif rolleyes.gif
Norseman
I just read about guns and dream of owning one someday. Maybe I can get that single shot break open .22, thats all I'll ever need.

-E
ReverendFranz
i read this just today: "When you come for my guns"

As for registration, it has been shown in the past as a universal precursor to seizure and disarmament

disarmament has been show universally as a precursor to large scale genocide.

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

So, are you asking me if i would like to support genocide against the American public?



hmmm...
22_Shooter
I saw a gun once.....................................once.
SJgunguy24


Guns...aaaaaaaaa.........Huh??

Ooooooh yeah GUNS.....only cops and criminals have guns.......and they both want to take something from you.
152dbs
QUOTE (SJgunguy24 @ Oct 7 2008, 07:12 AM) *
Guns...aaaaaaaaa.........Huh??

Ooooooh yeah GUNS.....only cops and criminals have guns.......and they both want to take something from you.



cops have guns? sadly enough they are rarely used since we've been given the TASER.
hogdog
I have a large safe that could, in theory, hold guns; but, as a responsible citizen, I rely on the government to protect me, so I just store baseball cards in the safe.
BobAsh
All my "long" guns are already NFA.
Will
It just so happens that I sold all of mine last night.......................................




read_the_wall
really? that's weird, all mine got sold at a garage sale, stolen, lost, broken and thrown away all on ________(fill in date here).
Will
I hate it when that happens!



semiautoken
great answers ;-)
MD_Willington
QUOTE (semiautoken @ Oct 6 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Do you or dont you register your guns if Obama takes over?

What do you think?



Ever fill out a 4473? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Form_4473

Its registered...
DistalRadius
QUOTE (MD_Willington @ Oct 7 2008, 12:37 PM) *
QUOTE (semiautoken @ Oct 6 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Do you or dont you register your guns if Obama takes over?

What do you think?



Ever fill out a 4473? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Form_4473

Its registered...

Yep. +1
22_Shooter
QUOTE (MD_Willington @ Oct 7 2008, 01:37 PM) *
QUOTE (semiautoken @ Oct 6 2008, 04:47 PM) *
Do you or dont you register your guns if Obama takes over?

What do you think?



Ever fill out a 4473? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Form_4473


No.
tritium
They wouldn't have the s/n of your firearm until/unless they got it from the FFL's log where you bought it or from the 4473 your FFL has on file. You don't provide the s/n during the NICS check, just the type of firearm.
Gaddis
QUOTE (Vultite @ Oct 6 2008, 09:22 PM) *
won't ever happen, no matter who's voted in


I remember a few Brits and Scots saying something similar a few years back...rolleyes.gif
G O B
There is a sea monster named Chesse in the Bay, a lot of us here im MD have lost our guns to it. I would have a hard time regestering something at the bottom of the bay in the belly of a beast!

wet_eyes.gif
Paladin
I really don't think he has the votes people. I think some are overreacting or trying to drum up sales and prices. I think the worst he'll be able to do is reinstate the assault weapon ban. Which sucks, but doesn't mean anyone is coming to your house to check.

Time will tell.
evildog69
Best thing is not to vote him in or his liberal gun grabbing minions. I say 003.gif NOBAMA!!!
G O B
NOBAMA! Hussein is a pain.
bigj480
QUOTE (Paladin @ Oct 7 2008, 07:28 PM) *
I really don't think he has the votes people. I think some are overreacting or trying to drum up sales and prices. I think the worst he'll be able to do is reinstate the assault weapon ban. Which sucks, but doesn't mean anyone is coming to your house to check.

Time will tell.


I think he will win and most of the guns I want will be covered by a new AWB, especially if they expand the bill. I plan on buying all of the hi-cap magazines and "evil guns" I will want in the next 8 years before he is sworn in if my finances allow it. Not at inflated prices, though.
Will
QUOTE (G O B @ Oct 7 2008, 06:41 PM) *
There is a sea monster named Chesse in the Bay, a lot of us here im MD have lost our guns to it. I would have a hard time regestering something at the bottom of the bay in the belly of a beast!

wet_eyes.gif




Hey!
I lost my best rock fish bait and trolling pole to that damn monster too!





Paladin
QUOTE (bigj480 @ Oct 8 2008, 06:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Paladin @ Oct 7 2008, 07:28 PM) *
I really don't think he has the votes people. I think some are overreacting or trying to drum up sales and prices. I think the worst he'll be able to do is reinstate the assault weapon ban. Which sucks, but doesn't mean anyone is coming to your house to check.

Time will tell.


I think he will win and most of the guns I want will be covered by a new AWB, especially if they expand the bill. I plan on buying all of the hi-cap magazines and "evil guns" I will want in the next 8 years before he is sworn in if my finances allow it. Not at inflated prices, though.



I also think he's going to win. Its too bad his gun opinions come from his experiences with inner city gang bangers which hasn't got a damn thing to do with me.

Oh well, it is what it is. I have started putting back a serious supply of things I think I may need. But that being said I think the AWB is the worst he can do, there's bigger fish to fry nowadays.
kg4chm
Unfortunately I too think Osama........I mean Obama will win. Its sad......
moxie1c
Listen, it is obvious that “reasonable licensing fees and registration” will stop the casual ownership of guns which is plaguing our nation. On the same token, anyone who would jump through those hoops to own a gun is just plain obsessive. Right? nonono.gif
Gas Giant
Get whatever you want while the getting's good
ammunition and guns are relatively cheap at the moment.
I recommend buying anything you ever wanted, and get it fucking now because:

#1. Most things are only going to get more expensive, and hard to get.
#2. Shotguns, Rifles and pistols are only going to get more expensive, and harder to get.
#3. Ammunition is only going to get more expensive, and harder to get.
#4. Good Jobs and income are only going to get harder to come by, and hard to get.

#5 and if the Shit Does happen to Hit The Fan, things will get even worse,...... rapidly

evildog69
QUOTE (Gas Giant @ Oct 9 2008, 08:13 PM) *
Get whatever you want while the getting's good
ammunition and guns are relatively cheap at the moment.
I recommend buying anything you ever wanted, and get it fucking now because:

#1. Most things are only going to get more expensive, and hard to get.
#2. Shotguns, Rifles and pistols are only going to get more expensive, and harder to get.
#3. Ammunition is only going to get more expensive, and harder to get.
#4. Good Jobs and income are only going to get harder to come by, and hard to get.

#5 and if the Shit Does happen to Hit The Fan, things will get even worse,...... rapidly


I buy ammo every pay day just in case of the affore mentioned things come to pass i hope not but i see it coming. I have noticed the price of ammo is really taking off in price. Guns are not bad right now but wait that will be next. But you can have all the guns you want, but what if the ammo is so expensive you can't afford to shoot anyway? Even reloading is getting bad. mad.gif
SOPMOD
I'm not gonna lie,I'll hand them the guns in my house when they come a knockin.I own these things to run off looters,nazis and invaders not teenaged kids working for uncle sugar.

That doesn't mean I won't get replacements for them as soon as I think the coast is clear wink.gif
evildog69
QUOTE (SOPMOD @ Oct 9 2008, 11:21 PM) *
I'm not gonna lie,I'll hand them the guns in my house when they come a knockin.I own these things to run off looters,nazis and invaders not teenaged kids working for uncle sugar.

That doesn't mean I won't get replacements for them as soon as I think the coast is clear wink.gif


knock knock, that's me at the door. I'll take everything you have please. naaaa.gif With NOBAMA nation in place you won't be able to buy anything except maybe a .410 or .22 bolt actions when the coast clears. I'll give your current guns a nice home to be used regardless who comes knocking. They will have their orders and i have my FREEDOM as a LAWABIDDING AMERICAN for now.

SOPMOD
QUOTE (evildog69 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:25 AM) *
QUOTE (SOPMOD @ Oct 9 2008, 11:21 PM) *
I'm not gonna lie,I'll hand them the guns in my house when they come a knockin.I own these things to run off looters,nazis and invaders not teenaged kids working for uncle sugar.

That doesn't mean I won't get replacements for them as soon as I think the coast is clear wink.gif


knock knock, that's me at the door. I'll take everything you have please. naaaa.gif With NOBAMA nation in place you won't be able to buy anything except maybe a .410 or .22 bolt actions when the coast clears. I'll give your current guns a nice home to be used regardless who comes knocking. They will have their orders and i have my FREEDOM as a LAWABIDDING AMERICAN for now.



Let me give you a clue,no rifle and no dwelling that I know of are adequate protection from two M998s with TOW launchers,Mk19s and M2s full of well trained tough kids back from the ME and I really,really want to impress that upon everyone who thinks they would resist a government confiscation effort with force.Your home is not the place to pick a fight you are guaranteed to lose.

Gangbangers, roving bands and maybe even rogue ex police officers trying to play cop and bully some goodies out of you and your neighbors are all fine times to grab your AK and "go loud" and take your chances but not against our guys in uniform(soldiers,marines,airmen,sailors)not just because they will most certainly kill you deader than dinoshit but also because it's just wrong and creating a state of enmity with them does nothing for our cause.Invite them in,offer them coffee or a coke and then offer to hand over whatever you have in the house and be smart enough to have a spare(or two,or three,or ten) hidden offsite to resupply yourself with when they are gone.You will live to fight another day and not have a SMAW or TOW shot through your tissue paper house making all of your efforts totally pointless.

Comprendo?

I might suggest that you need to train for UO or PSD with a group of guys you trust for a year and really get your shit wired tight to even have a concept of what you would be facing if Obama deploys CCMURF to take your guns and all that training will do is convince you that you have no business picking fights with people who have nearly limitless support and who in all reality are just doing their jobs.
22_Shooter
QUOTE (SOPMOD @ Oct 11 2008, 05:05 AM) *
QUOTE (evildog69 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:25 AM) *
QUOTE (SOPMOD @ Oct 9 2008, 11:21 PM) *
I'm not gonna lie,I'll hand them the guns in my house when they come a knockin.I own these things to run off looters,nazis and invaders not teenaged kids working for uncle sugar.

That doesn't mean I won't get replacements for them as soon as I think the coast is clear wink.gif


knock knock, that's me at the door. I'll take everything you have please. naaaa.gif With NOBAMA nation in place you won't be able to buy anything except maybe a .410 or .22 bolt actions when the coast clears. I'll give your current guns a nice home to be used regardless who comes knocking. They will have their orders and i have my FREEDOM as a LAWABIDDING AMERICAN for now.



Let me give you a clue,no rifle and no dwelling that I know of are adequate protection from two M998s with TOW launchers,Mk19s and M2s full of well trained tough kids back from the ME and I really,really want to impress that upon everyone who thinks they would resist a government confiscation effort with force.Your home is not the place to pick a fight you are guaranteed to lose.

Gangbangers, roving bands and maybe even rogue ex police officers trying to play cop and bully some goodies out of you and your neighbors are all fine times to grab your AK and "go loud" and take your chances but not against our guys in uniform(soldiers,marines,airmen,sailors)not just because they will most certainly kill you deader than dinoshit but also because it's just wrong and creating a state of enmity with them does nothing for our cause.Invite them in,offer them coffee or a coke and then offer to hand over whatever you have in the house and be smart enough to have a spare(or two,or three,or ten) hidden offsite to resupply yourself with when they are gone.You will live to fight another day and not have a SMAW or TOW shot through your tissue paper house making all of your efforts totally pointless.

Comprendo?

I might suggest that you need to train for UO or PSD with a group of guys you trust for a year and really get your shit wired tight to even have a concept of what you would be facing if Obama deploys CCMURF to take your guns and all that training will do is convince you that you have no business picking fights with people who have nearly limitless support and who in all reality are just doing their jobs.


You think if actual "gun grabbing" were to happen, they would bring that kind of firepower to each house that has/had a registered gun in it? No way.

No way in hell is the military going to be blowing rockets through peoples houses, on US soil, to get their guns.

And about that last part, it wouldn't be us civilians "picking fights" if the government sent out squads to take peoples weapons.

I have faith in our military, that a majority would look past the "it's my job, I have to do it" mind-set.

All of this being said, I personally don't think it will ever come to police/military actually going house to house, to collect guns. Restricting the hell out of what we already have? Sure. Because in the end, if they succeed in that, our guns would be useless anyway. A gun without ammo is an expensive stick.
uzitiger
Obama wants us disarmed so his Islamic terrorist relatives and Louis Farrakhan's thugs can have a free for all on infidels while we have no guns to drive them off. The last thing we need is this Arab Muslim taking over this country. My father who is Jewish from Iraq feels that Obama is an Al Qaeda sleeper that has been foisted to run as a DemocRAT candidate for president. He knows what it's like to live under Arabs and Muslims and doesn't want a repetition in America. When he hears the howling from mosques he still feels uncomfortable (as he did when I lived in the Detroit area). To him it's a call to murder infidels.

Registration leads to confiscation. The government has records of gun purchases using the Form 4473 especially from gun dealers who went out of business. They also have records from states which guns are registered like Michigan that registers handguns (thanks to teh Ku Klux Klan) and others. The accursed Nazis were the first to register guns then confiscate them. The British who fought the Nazis in World War II followed their example about fifty years later as did New York City.

The Nazis were held off by half starved Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto uprising with the few guns they had and held them off for a longer time than the Polish army who rode horses into battle against tanks. The Nazis had to use artillery and dive bombers to destroy the ghetto but at least the victims went down fighting to the end. I heard the stories the survivors told. These stories are the reason one should have guns to defend against tyranny and genocide. Hussein Obama is too similar to the murderers Hitler and Stalin in his mannerism combined with Islamic blood thirst to satisfy their false allah.
THE_HUNTER
I don't know about the rest of you, but I only own bb guns and a single shot Springfield Jr. .22 rifle. wink.gif
22_Shooter
QUOTE (THE_HUNTER @ Oct 11 2008, 03:17 PM) *
I don't know about the rest of you, but I only own bb guns and a single shot Springfield Jr. .22 rifle. wink.gif


Damn. I mean, I own a BB gun too, from when I was 12. But a single shot .22!?!?!? Are you some kind of angry war machine?!?!?

One day, maybe I will own a real gun too.













biggrin.gif
hawk78
QUOTE (SOPMOD @ Oct 11 2008, 04:05 AM) *
...also because it's just wrong and creating a state of enmity with them does nothing for our cause.

... you have no business picking fights with people who have nearly limitless support and who in all reality are just doing their jobs.


Wait a second! ANYONE that comes to your house to take your guns is the one in the wrong! Be it a thug, a military man, a cop, an ATF agent, ANYONE! There is no giving in to fight another day with this, once your guns are gone they are GONE! The time for sitting down and talking is done. Not to mention under the Posse Comitatus Act the military is NOT ALLOWED to be used as a police force in the US!

Let me remind everyone that to be in the military means an oath to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic...this means any order given that is in conflict with the Constitution is not a valid order! Will you stand up to an order that is not right even though you could be punished? That is for you to decide. If it means taking away my guns you'd better be prepared to answer to your creator for the wrong decision!
Please let me elaborate on the history of the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment:

The Bill of Rights is not a document that gives us rights at all, but just a partial listing of what rights we have as human beings. Note the founding fathers use of "inalienable" and "endowed to us by our Creator", not "for interpretation by the supreme court". These rights exist without a Bill of Rights or the Constitution, they are God-given and for everyone, not just United States citizens. The govt cannot take away your rights, but if they are powerful enough they can DENY you your rights. This is what is happening today. The founding fathers just thought that without a Bill of Rights the govt would end up denying our rights little by little, one at a time, like they have been. So they enumerated SOME of our rights so that wouldn't happen. Well look where we've ended up, our rights are being denied anyway. The govt's primary job is to protect these rights, and it's doing a piss poor job.

Specific to the 2nd Amendment: Now DC vs Heller stated that personal firearms ownership is a right(Great, I already knew that), but you can still have "reasonable" restrictions. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand? This applies to CCW permits, 4473's, open carry laws, most any gun laws. No matter what way ANYONE interprets the 2nd amendment it does not change it. Remember "inalienable" and "endowed to us by our Creator" again? Still applicable.

"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." ---George Washington

"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." ---George Washington

"It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it."
---George Washington

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." ---George Washington


bigj480
QUOTE (22_Shooter @ Oct 11 2008, 05:21 PM) *
QUOTE (THE_HUNTER @ Oct 11 2008, 03:17 PM) *
I don't know about the rest of you, but I only own bb guns and a single shot Springfield Jr. .22 rifle. wink.gif


Damn. I mean, I own a BB gun too, from when I was 12. But a single shot .22!?!?!? Are you some kind of angry war machine?!?!?

One day, maybe I will own a real gun too.


You own a BB gun? Wow, how unreasonable! Those things shoot dangerous flesh piercing metallic projectiles and they are often given to CHILDREN! Do you love your children? I think they should be taken away from you. You are a savage with a blood lust! I refuse to own ANY kind of gun. BB guns, airsoft guns, cap guns, nail guns, staple guns, caulk guns, toy guns, non have a place in our society. Then you go on to say that one day you may own a REAL gun! Ludicrous!
evildog69
QUOTE (THE_HUNTER @ Oct 11 2008, 02:17 PM) *
I don't know about the rest of you, but I only own bb guns and a single shot Springfield Jr. .22 rifle. wink.gif


Man, when the shit hits the fan and tanks are rolling down main street with NOBAMA riding in his gold chariot i'm coming to your compound. lol 021.gif That's if you haven't shot your eye out yet Ralphy.
Paladin
QUOTE (hawk78 @ Oct 11 2008, 10:29 PM) *
QUOTE (SOPMOD @ Oct 11 2008, 04:05 AM) *
...also because it's just wrong and creating a state of enmity with them does nothing for our cause.

... you have no business picking fights with people who have nearly limitless support and who in all reality are just doing their jobs.


Wait a second! ANYONE that comes to your house to take your guns is the one in the wrong! Be it a thug, a military man, a cop, an ATF agent, ANYONE! There is no giving in to fight another day with this, once your guns are gone they are GONE! The time for sitting down and talking is done. Not to mention under the Posse Comitatus Act the military is NOT ALLOWED to be used as a police force in the US!

Let me remind everyone that to be in the military means an oath to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic...this means any order given that is in conflict with the Constitution is not a valid order! Will you stand up to an order that is not right even though you could be punished? That is for you to decide. If it means taking away my guns you'd better be prepared to answer to your creator for the wrong decision!
Please let me elaborate on the history of the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment:

The Bill of Rights is not a document that gives us rights at all, but just a partial listing of what rights we have as human beings. Note the founding fathers use of "inalienable" and "endowed to us by our Creator", not "for interpretation by the supreme court". These rights exist without a Bill of Rights or the Constitution, they are God-given and for everyone, not just United States citizens. The govt cannot take away your rights, but if they are powerful enough they can DENY you your rights. This is what is happening today. The founding fathers just thought that without a Bill of Rights the govt would end up denying our rights little by little, one at a time, like they have been. So they enumerated SOME of our rights so that wouldn't happen. Well look where we've ended up, our rights are being denied anyway. The govt's primary job is to protect these rights, and it's doing a piss poor job.

Specific to the 2nd Amendment: Now DC vs Heller stated that personal firearms ownership is a right(Great, I already knew that), but you can still have "reasonable" restrictions. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand? This applies to CCW permits, 4473's, open carry laws, most any gun laws. No matter what way ANYONE interprets the 2nd amendment it does not change it. Remember "inalienable" and "endowed to us by our Creator" again? Still applicable.

"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." ---George Washington

"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." ---George Washington

"It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it."
---George Washington

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." ---George Washington



EXACTLY!, that's why they are not going to be sending troops door to door to take your guns, I don't think we need to be freaking out here. Obama is going to win and the worst he's going to able to do is reinstate the AWB. You heard it here first folks. The only thing I'm freaking out about is the price of everything is going to go up big time. Even BB's.
evildog69
QUOTE (Paladin @ Oct 12 2008, 07:48 AM) *
QUOTE (hawk78 @ Oct 11 2008, 10:29 PM) *
QUOTE (SOPMOD @ Oct 11 2008, 04:05 AM) *
...also because it's just wrong and creating a state of enmity with them does nothing for our cause.

... you have no business picking fights with people who have nearly limitless support and who in all reality are just doing their jobs.


Wait a second! ANYONE that comes to your house to take your guns is the one in the wrong! Be it a thug, a military man, a cop, an ATF agent, ANYONE! There is no giving in to fight another day with this, once your guns are gone they are GONE! The time for sitting down and talking is done. Not to mention under the Posse Comitatus Act the military is NOT ALLOWED to be used as a police force in the US!

Let me remind everyone that to be in the military means an oath to protect the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic...this means any order given that is in conflict with the Constitution is not a valid order! Will you stand up to an order that is not right even though you could be punished? That is for you to decide. If it means taking away my guns you'd better be prepared to answer to your creator for the wrong decision!
Please let me elaborate on the history of the Bill of Rights and the 2nd Amendment:

The Bill of Rights is not a document that gives us rights at all, but just a partial listing of what rights we have as human beings. Note the founding fathers use of "inalienable" and "endowed to us by our Creator", not "for interpretation by the supreme court". These rights exist without a Bill of Rights or the Constitution, they are God-given and for everyone, not just United States citizens. The govt cannot take away your rights, but if they are powerful enough they can DENY you your rights. This is what is happening today. The founding fathers just thought that without a Bill of Rights the govt would end up denying our rights little by little, one at a time, like they have been. So they enumerated SOME of our rights so that wouldn't happen. Well look where we've ended up, our rights are being denied anyway. The govt's primary job is to protect these rights, and it's doing a piss poor job.

Specific to the 2nd Amendment: Now DC vs Heller stated that personal firearms ownership is a right(Great, I already knew that), but you can still have "reasonable" restrictions. What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand? This applies to CCW permits, 4473's, open carry laws, most any gun laws. No matter what way ANYONE interprets the 2nd amendment it does not change it. Remember "inalienable" and "endowed to us by our Creator" again? Still applicable.

"The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments." ---George Washington

"Over grown military establishments are under any form of government inauspicious to liberty, and are to be regarded as particularly hostile to republican liberty." ---George Washington

"It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it."
---George Washington

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." ---George Washington



EXACTLY!, that's why they are not going to be sending troops door to door to take your guns, I don't think we need to be freaking out here. Obama is going to win and the worst he's going to able to do is reinstate the AWB. You heard it here first folks. The only thing I'm freaking out about is the price of everything is going to go up big time. Even BB's.


All kidding aside, your probably right about the election. I know i'm not voting for NOBAMA but if he does get in i do believe he reinstate the AWB unless we vote out the dems from the house and senate so they don't get the votes. I can see them backdooring a issue like before so the cost of ammo or reloading powder and so and so forth shy rocket. Maybe you can keep your guns but pay a tax for them i don't know i hope not or a lot of us will paying an unfair share. lol
All we can do is be a LOUD voice and vote vote vote and show these professional lifers in the political arena that we won't stand for their appression.
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