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mikein
How to Know if You're a Democrat

If you are FOR partial birth abortion, but AGAINST using animals to find a cure for cancer or AIDS… you might be a democrat.

If you want cheaper gas, but don't want to drill for oil… you might be a democrat.

If it makes sense to you that public middle schools should have gay student clubs, but an after-hours bible study group somehow violates someone's constitutional rights… you might be a democrat.

If you think the American death rate in Iraq is too high, but don't feel the same way about comparable death rates in Detroit or Washington DC … you might be a democrat.

If you went to Youtube to see terrorists behead innocent people, but believe waterboarding terrorists for information to prevent more innocent deaths is inhumane… you might be a democrat.

If, instead of 'Shock & Awe', the military strategy you prefer is 'Run & Hide'… you might be a democrat.

If you preach about tolerance and diversity but protest against offensive slogans such as, 'Merry Christmas' and 'In God We Trust'… you might be a democrat.

If you think that a flat-screen tv, cell phone, and high speed internet were guaranteed in the Constitution… you might be a democrat.

If you believe that not wanting the government to take so much of your money makes YOU greedy… you might be a democrat.

If you think FEMA response to the recent hurricanes was BAD, but government-run healthcare would be GOOD… you might be a democrat.

If you think increasing taxes on oil companies is going to somehow result in lower gas prices, because they'll never think to pass that cost on to the consumer… you might be a democrat. (piling huge taxes and lawsuits on tobacco companies did what to the price of cigarettes??)

If you believe, 'Tis better to have sued and lost than to never have sued at all'… you might be a democrat.

If you believe the Boy Scouts of America has NO right to tell openly gay men they can't be scout leaders and take young boys on overnight campouts… you might be a democrat.
(this right was recently won in the Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision!)

If you think the Hollywood elite, who dine with Obama for $28,500 a plate and still can't manage to wear underwear on a regular basis, know what's best for middle America… you might be a democrat.

If you believe the education system in America should be better, but students, teachers, and schools should not be judged by their performance… you might be a democrat.

If you accuse the American people of being intolerant and unenlightened, but are willing to overlook muslim nations which execute homosexuals and stone to death women who are VICTIMS of gang rape… you might be a democrat.

If you believe the 10 Commandments should not be displayed in a courthouse because it would create a hostile work environment for lawyers… you might be a democrat.

If your political party is fighting for voting rights for illegal immigrants, convicted felons, and dead people… you might be a democrat.


"Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime… give a man a fish and you put four generations on welfare."

If you think this election isn't important, THINK AGAIN!!
This next president will likely appoint 2-3 Supreme Court Justices. Replacing just one conservative justice with one liberal one, will sway the voting enough to rewrite the Constitution.

How bad is that??
In a recent 5-4 decision that went the way of liberals, the Supreme Court decided against a state's right to execute persons convicted of brutally raping and torturing multiple children under the age of 10!! One of the justices cited, "…evolving societal mores" as his reason for ruling against the states. Isn't this the same as saying he's going against what's written in the Constitution based on the latest CNN viewer poll?

In another recent decision, barely won by common sense, the Supreme Court ruled that the Boy Scouts of America does not have to allow openly gay men to be Cub Scout leaders, and take young boys on overnight campouts. This was a 5-4 decision!

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

bigj480
If you went to Youtube to see terrorists behead innocent people, but believe waterboarding terrorists for information to prevent more innocent deaths is inhumane… you might be a democrat.

I watched beheading videos to see what the savages were doing to our soldiers and I am against water boarding because I belive that we should be above that. Call me what you will.

If, instead of 'Shock & Awe', the military strategy you prefer is 'Run & Hide'… you might be a democrat.


An oversimplification, to say the least.

If you preach about tolerance and diversity but protest against offensive slogans such as, 'Merry Christmas' and 'In God We Trust'… you might be a democrat.

Nothing wrong with people saying "Merry Christmas" or saying "in god we trust". Our currency and government property are another matter, though.

If you believe the 10 Commandments should not be displayed in a courthouse because it would create a hostile work environment for lawyers… you might be a democrat.


They should not be displayed unless it is also OK to have displays relating to other religions or atheism. All or none. Regardless, no government money should be used for this purpose.

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

Which god? No, they are not all the same. We are supposed to be one nation, indivisible. The whole "under god" thing was added over 50 years after the pledge was written to please those with an agenda.

What does this make me?
gunboy69
Are you a conservative Athiest?
mikein
QUOTE (bigj480 @ Oct 10 2008, 05:49 PM) *
If you went to Youtube to see terrorists behead innocent people, but believe waterboarding terrorists for information to prevent more innocent deaths is inhumane… you might be a democrat.

I watched beheading videos to see what the savages were doing to our soldiers and I am against water boarding because I belive that we should be above that. Call me what you will.

If, instead of 'Shock & Awe', the military strategy you prefer is 'Run & Hide'… you might be a democrat.


An oversimplification, to say the least.

If you preach about tolerance and diversity but protest against offensive slogans such as, 'Merry Christmas' and 'In God We Trust'… you might be a democrat.

Nothing wrong with people saying "Merry Christmas" or saying "in god we trust". Our currency and government property are another matter, though.

If you believe the 10 Commandments should not be displayed in a courthouse because it would create a hostile work environment for lawyers… you might be a democrat.


They should not be displayed unless it is also OK to have displays relating to other religions or atheism. All or none. Regardless, no government money should be used for this purpose.

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

Which god? No, they are not all the same. We are supposed to be one nation, indivisible. The whole "under god" thing was added over 50 years after the pledge was written to please those with an agenda.

What does this make me?


Who knows what it makes you? (and it may not make you anything!) Confused? Angry? Libertarian? Buddhist? Confucion? Muslim? Jewish? The point of the post was to generate the kind of thought and introspection you just went through. I don't personally care what you, or anyone else is a result of reading through this; I just want the thought processes to be working, full time, as we all approach the coming election.
Paladin
QUOTE (bigj480 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:49 PM) *
If you went to Youtube to see terrorists behead innocent people, but believe waterboarding terrorists for information to prevent more innocent deaths is inhumane… you might be a democrat.

I watched beheading videos to see what the savages were doing to our soldiers and I am against water boarding because I belive that we should be above that. Call me what you will.

If, instead of 'Shock & Awe', the military strategy you prefer is 'Run & Hide'… you might be a democrat.


An oversimplification, to say the least.

If you preach about tolerance and diversity but protest against offensive slogans such as, 'Merry Christmas' and 'In God We Trust'… you might be a democrat.

Nothing wrong with people saying "Merry Christmas" or saying "in god we trust". Our currency and government property are another matter, though.

If you believe the 10 Commandments should not be displayed in a courthouse because it would create a hostile work environment for lawyers… you might be a democrat.


They should not be displayed unless it is also OK to have displays relating to other religions or atheism. All or none. Regardless, no government money should be used for this purpose.

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

Which god? No, they are not all the same. We are supposed to be one nation, indivisible. The whole "under god" thing was added over 50 years after the pledge was written to please those with an agenda.

What does this make me?



Well, that makes you;

A rational American that can make independent judgments on each issue without feeling compelled to follow a party line.

An American that wants bin ladens head on a stick and the taliban that supported him destroyed down to the last man, but understands that we're better than them and aren't going to do the same kinds of things they do.

An American that supports the Bill of Rights, ALL of the Bill of Rights, not just the parts you like.


bigj480
QUOTE (gunboy69 @ Oct 10 2008, 06:16 PM) *
Are you a conservative Athiest?


Ding, ding ding! Well, close, I don't think I fit into any political category. I just want to add, because people often have a bad opinion of atheists,that I have nothing against people of faith. My mother has preached and sang in church and I love her dearly and have been around good Christians my whole life.

QUOTE (mikein @ Oct 10 2008, 06:17 PM) *
Who knows what it makes you? (and it may not make you anything!) Confused? Angry? Libertarian? Buddhist? Confucion? Muslim? Jewish? The point of the post was to generate the kind of thought and introspection you just went through. I don't personally care what you, or anyone else is a result of reading through this; I just want the thought processes to be working, full time, as we all approach the coming election.


That's cool, I just don't agree that these ideas are democratic or republican, people can vary quite a bit even in the same party and there are many nuanced opinions. Although you didn't mean it this way and I'm sure you take it with ha grain of salt, many people use these methods to demonize and make caricatures out of honest people. I don't really care about either party but the polarizing of America for political gain does real harm and is too widespread IMO. I'm sure you just posted to cause discussion, it worked.wink.gif I feel like a buzzkill.

QUOTE (Paladin @ Oct 10 2008, 06:24 PM) *
Well, that makes you;

A rational American that can make independent judgments on each issue without feeling compelled to follow a party line.

An American that wants bin ladens head on a stick and the taliban that supported him destroyed down to the last man, but understands that we're better than them and aren't going to do the same kinds of things they do.

An American that supports the Bill of Rights, ALL of the Bill of Rights, not just the parts you like.


Keep it coming! biggrin.gif

Really, I'm surprised that no one attacked my rejection of water boarding or the displaying of religious statues by the government. You may disagree, but you skipped the insults. I think I keep expecting people on this board to be like those I ran into on another forum that will remain nameless but I can say that the level of maturity on this board is above average.
uzitiger
I'm for one nation under G-d, not allah.
bigj480
QUOTE (uzitiger @ Oct 11 2008, 02:23 PM) *
I'm for one nation under G-d, not allah.

I hear ya, I'm for "one nation, indivisible".
patriot
I failed ALL of them biggrin.gif
bigj480
QUOTE (patriot @ Oct 11 2008, 03:54 PM) *
I failed ALL of them biggrin.gif

Love the quote in your sig, patriot! How about that patriot act?
patriot
I don't act.. I also don't feed trolls!
bigj480
QUOTE (patriot @ Oct 11 2008, 04:50 PM) *
I don't act.. I also don't feed trolls!


You are too funny, patriot. I was not questioning you patriotism, only your reasoning. Nice label(insult), too bad it ain't the case. As proof, I will not reply in kind. naaaa.gif
Twinsen
don't feed the troll
Paladin
Uh, you know guys, not everybody that disagrees with you is a troll. The OP stated he was trying to provoke thought and discussion. bigj480 didn't even start the thread, he just stated his opinion. Wasn't he supposed too?

I think we should reserve the "Troll" label for those who actually come to the sight and post crazy shit just to get a rise.

Just say'n
bigj480
QUOTE (Paladin @ Oct 12 2008, 07:38 AM) *
Uh, you know guys, not everybody that disagrees with you is a troll. The OP stated he was trying to provoke thought and discussion. bigj480 didn't even start the thread, he just stated his opinion. Wasn't he supposed too?

I think we should reserve the "Troll" label for those who actually come to the sight and post crazy shit just to get a rise.

Just say'n


Thanks, Paladin. At least someone realizes that I was just asking for patriot's opinion. I don't think they really understood my post about patriot's signature, but that didn't keep them from jumping to conclusions. So, in an attempt to clarify, I will spell it out. In your signature, patriot, you have the following quote:

QUOTE
The strength of the Constitution lies entirely in the determination of each citizen to defend it. Only if every single citizen feels duty bound to do his share in this defense are constitutional rights secure." Albert Einstein


I wrote:

QUOTE
Love the quote in your sig, patriot! How about that patriot act?


What I was saying is, I love the quote. I was also asking you how you make that belief jive with "The Patriot Act". I was asking for your take on the constitutionality of "The Patriot Act". Care to elaborate, friend?
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