1911
Nov 6 2008, 01:41 AM
Just prior to the election "a friend" purchased another 1,000 rds of 7.62x39 at Ammoman for $199 delivered it is now $239 delivered. Another "friend" purchased 1,000 rds of .223 XM193C for $350 + shipping and they are sold out now. Checking at Ammunition to Go the price is $416 delivered vs a total of $385 for the original purchase.
About a $30 increase per 1,000 in both cases overnight. For those of you sitting on the fence, this may be the time to make a move before January 20, 2009. At any rate it will be interesting to see how much it goes up and how fast.
On another note - I spoke with an acquantance at church tonight and jokingly asked him if he had his ammo purchased. I have never known him to shoot and was just giving his conservative butt a hard time. His response was I have 12,000 rds, think that's enough? He told me they were having a garage sale this weekend.
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Mike the Wolf
Nov 6 2008, 04:17 AM
Look on Gunbroker. There's still deals to be had from auctions that haven't expired. Someone I know picked up 1000 rounds of PMC .223 55-grain FMJ BoatTail for $355 shipped. Not a bad price, either, as Cabela's normally charged $7.10 per box or so, and they were completely sold out of the stuff.
For the record, for those of you who are stocking up, I strongly recommend you do NOT get steel-cased ammo despite the price savings. Here's why: if you want to go from shooting steel-cased ammo to brass, you have to clean your chamber with a chamber brush first or it will jam. So if you value the ability to shoot anything you can get in an emergency, you shouldn't foul your chamber with steel-cased ammo. Say, for example, you need to borrow ammo from someone else in a crunch situation, you want to be able to shoot whatever they give you on the spot. If you've been shooting brass, you can shoot their ammo even if they give you steel case. But if you've been shooting steel, you likely won't be able to shoot their brass. Recognize that, when seconds count, you won't have time to clean your gun. And in a survival situation, you may not have access to proper cleaning materials. Brass is ALWAYS a much better choice from every perspective, and even more so if you reload.
bigj480
Nov 6 2008, 09:17 AM
Check out gun-deals.com, they tend to have good deals on ammo. A lot of deals are out of stock now, though. Ammo and mags should be first on the list.
SaigaNoobie
Nov 6 2008, 09:25 AM
If i meet someone with Brass 7.62x39, I'm gonna laugh.
Steel doesn't mess up the chamber. Steel just doesn't expand as well as brass, allowing gasses to escape into the walls of the chamber and ever so slightly deposit powder on the chamber walls. The brass then fired behind it expands more, and catches on the slightly tighter chamber. That being said, my .308 doesn't mind 300rds of Brown Bear before 100rds of Brass. I'm not too concerned.
And you don't HAVE to clean the chamber with a brush between steel and brass. Maybe AR guys, but My Saigas go back and forth with no problems. I don't have a .223 though.
waltham_41
Nov 6 2008, 10:38 AM
All of my major weapons are AK based, or old milsurps, and luckily I do not have that problem. They keep going and going and well you get the ideal
Mike the Wolf
Nov 6 2008, 01:37 PM
QUOTE (SaigaNoobie @ Nov 6 2008, 07:23 AM)

If i meet someone with Brass 7.62x39, I'm gonna laugh.
Steel doesn't mess up the chamber. Steel just doesn't expand as well as brass, allowing gasses to escape into the walls of the chamber and ever so slightly deposit powder on the chamber walls. The brass then fired behind it expands more, and catches on the slightly tighter chamber. That being said, my .308 doesn't mind 300rds of Brown Bear before 100rds of Brass. I'm not too concerned.
And you don't HAVE to clean the chamber with a brush between steel and brass. Maybe AR guys, but My Saigas go back and forth with no problems. I don't have a .223 though.
I've heard of quite a few .223 Saiga users that do. That being said, the .308 round is a lot beefier and provides more impulse to extract it after it fires. Let's face it: It makes a hell of a lot more sense to get brass. Do you really want to take that risk?
elvis christ
Nov 6 2008, 08:46 PM
I ordered 500 rounds of brown bear .308 from ammo to go right after the results came in. I got an email the next day, here it is:
Thank you for your order. Due to the political situation we have seen an extreme increase in orders. We are doing our best to ship out orders A.S.A.P. As it stands now your order will be shipped Tuesday or Wednesday of next week. Thank you for your patience. You should receive a UPS tracking # through E-mail from UPS Quantum View when this order ships. If you do not receive this tracking # please check your spam blocker. Thanks again for your business and have a great day!
Your order has been updated to the following status.
New status: Processing
Please reply to this email if you have any questions.
Shit, they usually ship same or next day. A week is a significant departure from a day.
Edit: Also interesting, my buddy was talking to the guy at academy sports, and they ended their monarch x39 special early. It was supposed to run through the end of the year.
I see why ammo is going up, all political, but it really should be going down in price. Metal prices are down right now.
evildog69
Nov 6 2008, 10:47 PM
I was at Scheels sporting goods store today buying reloading supplys and the place was PACKED!!!!! I had to have the sales help go get my powder and i asked if they were this busy since tuesday and he told me it's been this way for the last 2 months.
He went on to tell that handgun sales had doubled during that time and ammo was flying off the shelf. When there i was watching everybody from middle class america to what looked like a couple of doctors or lawyers in suits buying glocks and not asking about prices just buying them and lots of ammo.
Something in the wind and i don't believe it is going to be good. I'm getting all the reloading supplies and rolling my own so to speak. lol

With increase in ammo it my start to be cheaper to reload again. At least till that starts going up.
1911
Nov 6 2008, 11:01 PM
Just saw on the news that the Cheaper Than Dirt store in Ft. Worth sold over $100,000 today and a Houston store sold an entire "wall" of assault style weapons. Comment was that the flap eared camel jock had said he wouldn't take our guns away but apparently some don't trust him. DUH!
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1911
Nov 6 2008, 11:50 PM
Ammoman price for 7.62x39 Golden Tiger was $199 per 1,000 last week, it went to $239 this morning and it went to $249 this evening. 25% increase! WOW
Vultite
Nov 7 2008, 12:40 AM
prices of everything went up, literally overnight bare AR receivers went sky high
hallboss
Nov 7 2008, 02:06 AM
QUOTE (Vultite @ Nov 6 2008, 09:38 PM)

prices of everything went up, literally overnight bare AR receivers went sky high
Last week I bought an AR-15 lower ($145) and an AR-10 lower ($350), how high did they go since the election?
22_Shooter
Nov 7 2008, 06:42 AM
"My friend" plans on buying a 1K round case of x39 and 9mm within the week.
rd99fxdl
Nov 7 2008, 06:42 AM
Hit Dunhams last night for 12gg and the Rem target loads were at $60 for 250 rd case,about a month ago they were at $50.
Surly
Nov 7 2008, 08:58 AM
Unless taking it in the ass is your preference, I would suggest buying
nothing at elevated prices. The bottom will fall out of the market again like after the '94 ban. Right now it's a
gouger's and
speculator's market so to speak. Let them sit on their shit. If you buy into the panic, you only help to perpetuate it. Don't be a dumbshit by letting your emotions take over logic.
Worst case scenario: there will not be any gun legislation for several months so you can shop smartly until then. I played it smart and I've been doing all of my shopping since 14 SEP 2004.
evildog69
Nov 7 2008, 09:02 AM
QUOTE (Surly @ Nov 7 2008, 08:56 AM)

Unless taking it in the ass is your preference, I would suggest buying
nothing at elevated prices. The bottom will fall out of the market again like after the '94 ban. Right now it's a
gouger's and
speculator's market so to speak. Let them sit on their shit. If you buy into the panic, you only help to perpetuate it. Don't be a dumbshit by letting your emotions take over logic.
Worst case scenario: there will not be any gun legislation for several months so you can shop smartly until then. I played it smart and I've been doing all of my shopping since 14 SEP 2004.

Surly.......that is good advice. Like the gas prices demand drops prices drop though i'm not to sure on guns and ammo pricing dropping anytime soon. Don't know.
hogdog
Nov 7 2008, 09:36 AM
QUOTE (SaigaNoobie @ Nov 6 2008, 08:23 AM)

If i meet someone with Brass 7.62x39, I'm gonna laugh.
Steel doesn't mess up the chamber. Steel just doesn't expand as well as brass, allowing gasses to escape into the walls of the chamber and ever so slightly deposit powder on the chamber walls. The brass then fired behind it expands more, and catches on the slightly tighter chamber. That being said, my .308 doesn't mind 300rds of Brown Bear before 100rds of Brass. I'm not too concerned.
And you don't HAVE to clean the chamber with a brush between steel and brass. Maybe AR guys, but My Saigas go back and forth with no problems. I don't have a .223 though.
I have to agree. While I have heard stories of people having problems shooting brass-cased ammo after steel-cased ammo, I have never experienced it. When my department got ARs, hundreds of rounds of steel-cased ammo were fired through each of around forty guns, followed by Federal TRU brass-cased ammo for qualification. There weren't any problems. The ARs in question did have chromed chambers, but so do Saigas. In the case of 7.62X39, most of the ammo that you might come across would likely be steel-cased anyway.
22_Shooter
Nov 8 2008, 05:51 AM
QUOTE (Surly @ Nov 7 2008, 10:56 AM)

Unless taking it in the ass is your preference, I would suggest buying nothing at elevated prices.
The ammo I'm specifically looking at is the same price as it was well before the election.
rangerdavid
Nov 8 2008, 09:53 AM
several AK forums are upset with Ammoman gouging his prices, which is exactlty what he is doing. I've ordered from him several times in the past, but there are still lots of places to get 7.62 for $200
desert dog
Nov 8 2008, 10:34 AM
I will never buy from ammoman again, what a scumbag; price gouging at its worst.
I will continue to buy from AIM. Same prices, just a 10-14 day wait instead of the normal 3 day wait.
Juggernaut
Nov 8 2008, 10:42 AM
To bad I sold all my guns and shot up all my ammo before that......
1911
Nov 8 2008, 11:20 AM
QUOTE (desert dog @ Nov 8 2008, 10:32 AM)

I will never buy from ammoman again, what a scumbag; price gouging at its worst.
I will continue to buy from AIM. Same prices, just a 10-14 day wait instead of the normal 3 day wait.
Only trouble is that AIM only lists HotSHot 7.62x39 by Privi and they are out of stock on even that.

There must be a butt load of folks who didn't plan ahead. I recall quite a few threads back in the January to June time period when everyone was told to stock up on what they needed. I guess if you're having a tough time financially it is difficult to turn loose and stock ammo/weapons. The old adage "Pay me now or pay me later" became "Pay me now or REALLY pay me later". Kinda like the Noah story.
RangerM9
Nov 8 2008, 12:22 PM
on the other end.....Walmart has a price drop on Blazer brass in 9mm and .45.....$8.57 and $13.57 respectively.......must stock up!
oh....and i agree.....don't pay the inflated price.....
Panic demand is driving up prices....hoarding.....i know the panic, i feel it too...but i don't have the money right now to pay those prices......
i'll buy again when the prices drop a bit.
Ballistician
Nov 8 2008, 02:08 PM
Is the "price gouging" really that bad? It prevents hoarding (somewhat) and forces people to buy less than they normally would and probably what they need. This is good. Demand goes through the roof and you want the same price? Fuck no, welcome to capitalism boys, it plays a very important role in a healthy economy (invisible hand anyone). Yes, they make a killing off us by adding a nice fat bonus to their margins, but there is a greater benefit here.
How would you like to be the guy who came to buy ammo and there was none cause another guy with more money just bought everything before you. So instead of paying a bit more, you now get none. Speading it amongst your peers is best, don't confuse this for socialism, there the prices would be forced low and sold out instantly so only a few get to play.
evildog69
Nov 8 2008, 03:13 PM
QUOTE (Ballistician @ Nov 8 2008, 03:06 PM)

Is the "price gouging" really that bad? It prevents hoarding (somewhat) and forces people to buy less than they normally would and probably what they need. This is good. Demand goes through the roof and you want the same price? Fuck no, welcome to capitalism boys, it plays a very important role in a healthy economy (invisible hand anyone). Yes, they make a killing off us by adding a nice fat bonus to their margins, but there is a greater benefit here.
How would you like to be the guy who came to buy ammo and there was none cause another guy with more money just bought everything before you. So instead of paying a bit more, you now get none. Speading it amongst your peers is best, don't confuse this for socialism, there the prices would be forced low and sold out instantly so only a few get to play.

Pricing gouging is exactly what it is. Any other thinking is just crazy!!!! I'm in sales and one of the things we sell is icemelt and you can imagine what that was like last year with all the storms. Everytime we received a shipment my boss would raise the price because as he said "supply and demand" and where else are they going to get it. This would royally piss me off because it was price gouging to my customers who i depended on for my income. I don't and won't work that way, so if the pricing on ammo and guns stayed were it was this time 6 months ago so what? If the guy ahead of you ordered all the ammo they had then you should have been faster to the punch.
How is it any different when a popular toy comes out and they sell out. It isn't like we did not know this was coming and should have prepared for it. Myself and everyone i know planned for this a year and half ago.
If you did not plan ahead and buy when low then that's your fault and the people that are paying the high price are the ones who did not plan or are just jumping on the bandwagon after the fact. FYI walmart like them or hate them still have the cheapest ammo todate.
IndyArms
Nov 8 2008, 05:59 PM
QUOTE
Last week I bought an AR-15 lower ($145) and an AR-10 lower ($350), how high did they go since the election?
Hmm... thats odd... I still see them for sale ( for stripped lowers ) at $100.00 very odd indeed...
But I will not say where... They are out there if you know where to look... but I am not sending a thousand paranoid freaks to them screaming for lowers with fistfuls of clenched hundred dollar bills waving above their heads...
pvt joker
Nov 8 2008, 07:28 PM
I stopped at a Academy sports last night in Alabama and prices havent went up,monarch 9mm was $8.99 brass,x39 was $4.86 the sale on it ended NOV 1st the AR,s kinda high, sportsmans warehouse was cleaned out of all the cheap/blasting ammo,Im hitting a show in the am,wish me luck
22_Shooter
Nov 9 2008, 01:37 AM
AIM has stopped online ordering of ammo. Only phoned in orders will be taken. They're trying to keep better track of the inventory that way.
I managed to get in an order for 1K rounds of 9mm for the same price as it was before the election. But I have to wait a lot longer 'til it even ships due to the mass ordering going on.
Surly
Nov 9 2008, 12:28 PM
QUOTE (22_Shooter @ Nov 8 2008, 03:49 AM)

QUOTE (Surly @ Nov 7 2008, 10:56 AM)

Unless taking it in the ass is your preference, I would suggest buying nothing at elevated prices.
The ammo I'm specifically looking at is the same price as it was well before the election.
Like I stated, there's nothing wrong with that. Don't give in to buying it at an elevated price...you'll be the proverbial sucker with the money.
akok
Nov 9 2008, 05:17 PM
QUOTE (Surly @ Nov 9 2008, 12:26 PM)

QUOTE (22_Shooter @ Nov 8 2008, 03:49 AM)

QUOTE (Surly @ Nov 7 2008, 10:56 AM)

Unless taking it in the ass is your preference, I would suggest buying nothing at elevated prices.
The ammo I'm specifically looking at is the same price as it was well before the election.
Like I stated, there's nothing wrong with that. Don't give in to buying it at an elevated price...you'll be the proverbial sucker with the money.

You havnt seen elevated prices yet....wait till the dumbasscrats tax assault weapon ammo out of reach of your average citizen
Just watch....its gonna happen.
read_the_wall
Nov 9 2008, 05:38 PM
I went to a gun show today, what a zoo. Ammo, AR's, and any semi auto anything going fast.
I bought a 600 rd can of 5.56 m855 green tips on 10 rd stripper clips in 100 rd bandoleers and
5 new ar mags (steel w/ green followers) for $400.00 out the door. Not to bad for M855's
However, I saw a guy with a 500 rd bag of brown bear he payed $200.00 for....ouch...
evildog69
Nov 9 2008, 08:31 PM
Around where i'm at ammo prices have held. And you can still find the same prices on AR lowers and hi-cap mags. I went through all my sources for parts, mags, guns and alot are still the same but there are some that piss me off and i'll not buy from them again.

They are just gouging people because of the election by doubling prices. I hope word gets out and no one buys from them anymore to teach them a lession.
Just a few that are jacking prices.
Cheaper than dirt
Enterprise Arms
Sportsman Guide
Won't be doing business with again.
Arcturus74
Nov 10 2008, 02:31 AM
QUOTE (Surly @ Nov 7 2008, 08:56 AM)

Worst case scenario: there will not be any gun legislation for several months so you can shop smartly until then. I played it smart and I've been doing all of my shopping since 14 SEP 2004.

Not trying to add to the general hysteria going on in here, buuuttt.....
Obama to use Executive Orders to full impactJust food for thought.
22_Shooter
Nov 10 2008, 06:37 AM
QUOTE (read_the_wall @ Nov 9 2008, 06:36 PM)

However, I saw a guy with a 500 rd bag of brown bear he payed $200.00 for....ouch...

That's almost double what it's going for online, and yes, I'm talking about actually "in stock" merchandise.
Sorry to say, but that guy was a sucker, or had money to burn.
pvt joker
Nov 10 2008, 04:42 PM
dont forget that douchebag ammoman jacking up the price on x39 ammo golden tiger was $199 per 1k now its $249
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