They are out there if you look around I picked up this one for $449.00 new, it was on the shelf for a couple of months, I put down $50.00 and sold a M44 rifle anda Norinco 22 bolt action to him for $150.00and used it towards the payment, he also waived the background fee too, he said that he will try and get some more in, this one is the 108 model.