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So I guess the key question noone has asked is... how well does this thing ACTUALLY reduce flash if at all?
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Im sorry but how can anyone not like how this gun looks?
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I was thinking about splurging on one, but am also worried about issues with it cycling properly.
If the spring moves opposite the bolt, it may stop the bolt from going all the way rearword and ejecting the spent case and chambering the next.
I contacted Mesa Tactical (they put it on 870 stocks), and since they live in CA, they couldn't test it out on a real shotgun! They didn't seem to interested in finding out if it worked as I offered for them to come over and try it out on mine.
This would be great if Tony or Cobra tested it out and gave a report. I just can't see dropping $120+ for something that may not work. If it got either of their endorsements, I would likely buy one!
Hers a Video of my testing the gun. I have since fixed the cycling issues shown in the video(had to open gas ports because they were covered by gas block)
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v65/G3N0...nt=DSCI0268.flv
As you can see there is minimal muzzle climb and my shoulder barley moves.
In contrast heres my other S12 with Nato butt stock and butt pad shooting 3" Mag slugs.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v65/G3N0...nt=DSCI0291.flv
I have to say that is impressive. There is NO WAY a mercury tube can do what an Enidine buffer does. I have tried mercury tubes and I have tried other Enidine products and they do not compare in recoil reduction.
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Any of you running the Enidine Shot Shock and if so what are your thoughts? Is it reliable? How much recoil reduction did you notice? Does it fit milspec or commercial stock tails?
Nobody has one!?!? It should reduce the recoil by 70% according to Enidine for anyone you running M4 style stocks on your Saigas.
I use the Enidine buffers in my ARs and they are excellent at reducing recoil and muzzle flip... I figured this would be the #1 add on for 3 gunners using the Saiga 12.
Just wondered if it had a negative effect on cycling reliability since that piston collapses a good inch during recoil.
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Just like the title asks... will Tromix Saiga 12 shotguns function reliably with the Enidine Shot Stock?
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Any of you running the Enidine Shot Shock and if so what are your thoughts? Is it reliable? How much recoil reduction did you notice? Does it fit milspec or commercial stock tails?
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So with the red dot more forward on the gun it allows a wider unobstructed view.
Well, sort of. Forward mounted sights allow a wider unobstructed view, but what good is that? The dot can only appear in the "obstructed" portion of your view. Mounting the sight forward makes the sight more like a tiny peep sight, and less effective for its intended purpose: rapid target acquisition. "Unobstructed" by your description would be every part of the sky where there cannot be a dot or reticle. Thus, everything that's unobstructed is no good for aiming!
If you're truly shooting with both eyes open, your nondominant eye won't be obstructed by the sight even if it's mounted to the rear.
The issue is the optic itself DOES block some of your FOV and creates blind spots that your non dominant eye cannot see through. Red dot placement is about balance. You want it as far to the REAR as possible while blocking as little of your view as possible. If a red dot had no border or housing to block your dominant eye's view you would want the screen as close to the dominant eye as recoil would allow.
Tube type optics also create a tube effect where you see the inside of the optic more as it gets closer. The Aimpoint has a battery housing which blocks some view of both the dominant and non dominant eye up close, this is why Aimpoint has made a low battery housing version of the M4. Once you get an Aimpoint about 8" from the dominant eye placing it further forward does not do anything but reduce the angle at which you can find the dot.
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So from your description this thing just loads like a regular magazine and has a non windable spring? Or do you have to disassemble the back cover to load it? Also if it loads like a regular mag how easy is it to load/how long does it take to load? Finally, what would be needed to get your follower design to activate a LRBHO? Is this something someone like Tony could do to your drum while at the same time installing a LRBHO or is your dummy round follower so different you will have to offer a seperate follower that would activate the LRBHO... or would a your dummy round follower design simply not work with anything sticking up high enough to activate a LRBHO? Sorry for all the questions. Happy B-day!
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Will your drum have the same problem with crushing the top round if you load 19 on a closed bolt and leave it that way for an extended period of time that regular stick mags have?
If you remove tension from the spring to avoid this how many turns do you have to wind the spring to get it into action?
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Is it possible to over gas a Saiga to the point it would function with less lethal rounds and only less lethal rounds?
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I like the MD-20 on the drum, please include it. Have you considered using windows or a window ring instead of just all clear or all black on the back plate? It would seem the clear would get scratched pretty easy and look horrible fairly quickly if exposed to air and sunlight. You could also do what Magpul has doen with their PMags (solid clear body) and have a solid smoke colored transparent back plate so it is both blackish and you can see the ammo at the same time. Should have less of a problem with looking yellow and hazy over time due to UV exposure if it is smoked clear and scratches would be a little less noticable than straight clear. Just some thoughts.
Solid
Windowed
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How much extra weight was added when you thickened the walls?
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Subguns are not flat shooting enough to be usefull at longer ranges and they have ammo that is heavy. They already have some Saiga AOWs for door breaching. A 25-50m max weapon like a Saiga is not going to be a good general purpose weapon with its limited mag capacity and slower reloads and the few mags you can carry. I think your idea is all out of whack. Shotguns have no place on the modern battlefield outside of door breaching. As soon as you deploy shotguns as the primary weapon the bad guys will show up with body armor. Then you are screwed. Same goes for the subguns that wont punch through soft body armor. .308 with AP rounds sounds like a great idea but it has even worse terminal preformance on the bad guys than our 5.56 ammo.
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Actually, most smart auto afficionados put their cars up on jack stands for extended storage sessions.
And the Military always says to download a magazine a few rounds if storing it too for max. reliability.
The car is do you don't damage the tires. Rubber can take a set (round surface, flat floor, etc.). You see this on higher performance/softer compound tires.
For the military to download mags for reliability, this is not for storage. This is to ease use in a tactical reload. I.e. bolt closed, a 30rd. AR mag spring/follower does not have enough travel to easily insert and lock. If you download to 28, it is much easier.
If the hammer spring wears out in 30 years from being cocked I think I might replace it THAT ONE TIME and then it should last untill I am dead.
There is no need to download mags or leave your hammer uncocked. If you are that paranoid just replace springs every decade or two instead of every three. -
under $150 DAMNIT... my post got cut off lol! Can a mod please fix the title? Is there a way for me to fix the title?
Do you think the Dr Optic is the best optic for a Saiga 12? I certainly thought it would be great after having bad reliability problems with my Kobra and having a GREAT expereince with a Dr Optic Gen II unit. Tony is even selling mounts for them now.
Price is the big draw back though. Heck a Dr Optic and mount can cost more than an entire Saiga 12 does!
Well I checked out a friends unit that is an aluminum and glass Dr Optic styled optic with all the same features like the auto dot brightness and it has a 3 MOA dot. And for a limited time it is selling for UNDER $140. I had to tell everyone I know about the thing.
I know you guys like deals so who will be the first to try one of these on a Saiga-12 and see how it handles the recoil? Has anyone who has used a Dr Optic or other mini dot sight expereinced any kinds of problems with 12ga recoil?
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The sites are attached to main components of the shotgun, so I would guess that they're attached in-house and not sold separately.
Something to remember with the 6" barrel - half of that is the shell. So effectively it's like a 3.25" or 3" barrel.
If I ever got an SBS, it would probably be a 10" minimum.
I did some tests using a break open 12 gauge with the barrel being progressively shortened. I never did 6", but did manage to chop it to 7 inches (4" of effective barrel when you subtract out the slug). Here are my numbers. Worst case scanario is the slug drops to 1000 fps. (that's being pesimestic)
A one ounce slug doing 1000 fps is plenty to take care of anything on two legs.....and most things on 4 legs.
I'd rather have the compactablity.
Caspian
Data from barrel shortening test:
Remington 1oz slugs
31" 1557fps
25" 1498fps
19" 1411fps
13" 1324fps
7" 1131fps
Was this velocity from a full house 3" load or just a 2 3/4" slug? Which ever it was how much would the other size effect velocity?
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Since a lot of people are concerned with leaving mags loaded under a closed bolt how secure would you feel if you had the LRBHO lock the bolt back and closed the safety for storage in your home to be able to grab and go quickly? Would this prevent deformation of the top round in the magazine?
Is it possible that the shotgun could be jostled and release the LRBHO and force the safety down and chamber the round accidentally? I am wondering how much the bolt handle will travel forward before it contacts the front of the safety notch when the LRBHO is activated. I have seen safeties that had the safety notch and they tended to push the safety down a bit when the handle was trapped in the notch... did not seem very secure at all.
Also, I have seen safties that look like the Swift and have the cutout that are supposed to be specifically for the saiga-12. Will these work with the LRBHO right out of the box or just the factory BHO? Does the LRBHO hold the bolt back even a little more or less than the factory BHO unit?
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I have already purchased a SBR and silencer so the Saiga becoming a DD and needing paperwork is no big deal. I do have a question though. If a Saiga is registered as a SBS and it gets declared a DD do you have to pay a $200 fee or will there be a grace period without the fee or what? The only negative to me would be having to register as a $200 fee SBS then pay another DD $200 tax. I will admit that would suck.
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Isnt it great we can get drums? Best thing ever for Saigas!!! Who cares if they go DD as long as you have one.
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Do you mean the HALO forearm? It is machined aluminum not polymer.
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i have a ? / thought mike...
what about arma-coating the drum?
it would be virtually indestuctable
darrell
I've never heard of it, what is it? I am all about stronger! My Uncle retired from GM and was a plastic injector. He told me the name a 10% fiber filled material ( forget the name now) that he said was strong enough that it made out of, that you would get tired of stomping it before you could break it. I am still rolling around differnt materials. I never could find out what the russians use. I am guessing it might be their own recipe ( after all Izhmash is a military factory).
Arma-Coat is paint.
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Does anyone know exactly how those Spectre mags work?
Spectre mags are like two double stack mags with one side common to both. This 'common' side is a divider inside the magazine which ends at the top where the two stacks converge.
That is the simple part. The tricky part is how the follower folds to follow the rounds up into the tower and push the last rounds up to the feed lips. Not really all that tricky in concept but the actual design of where the follower should pivot, how much spring pressure is needed, etc. are the issues.
The Russians had a prototype for a 60 round, quad stack, AK74 magazine along those lines. I've seen pictures and a schematic of the internals. Pretty neat trick but I guess it didn't perform to requirements as they don't seem to have fielded them.
It was my understanding that the quad stack 74 mags work but that Russia did not want to invest in new polymer molds and mag building facilites. A financial reason and not an engineering reason. This what I understand from an owner of a quad stack AK 74 magazine in thsi country.
Will New Larue Dr Optic cowitness mount fit?
in Saiga-12
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Was wondering if this new Larue Tactical mount that cowitness an AK stadard sights could be made to work with a Saiga-12... any thoughts? Comes ith a Burris FastFire right now but will be offered with all the normal Larue Iron Dot options like the Dr Optic etc. Its $285 for the optic and sight mount.