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Libertarian?
LOL! you mean Liberal?
heehee, Anyway, there are many sites now that are taking pre-orders for Hi-Cap mags now... They will ship the day the law becomes inactive...
They Guarantee you will not be charged unless they ship.
I might get my 33 round Glock mags from'em!
Then I will sell all of yas my "Clinton Mags" if ya want them CHEAP!
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Lets Hear it!
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Just remove the front sight and it is pretty smooth
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Try some subsonic ammo, it shoots about as hard as a good pistol, very low recoil and good for rapid firing.
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Check out CDNN Investments dude, there are located in Abilene Texas. I used to be stationed about 5 minutes away from them, They do good deals there....
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/
Sometimes they have guns that are not in the catalog, givem a call and see!
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I paid about 340 dollars tax and all for my 20 inch wood, from a pawn shop. It was priced about 299 before tax.
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okay, I got the pins out... I am working on getting a good supressor on it, you'd be suprised how well TTI subsonic ammo shoots from a Saiga 20 inch barrel!
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Just outa curiosity, which way does the pins come out? left to right?
does it matter?
I need a wire brush to remove the gun bluing I guess.
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Dude,
You need to get in contact with EAA Corp and order their catalog. You can get my exact gun in synthetic already. 20 inch barrel and all. I have the catalog here now. it will save you alot of work.
Ironically, the 20 inch synthetic isnt on the website. go figure.
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Hey yall, I am having much difficulty getting this front sight off of my Saiga 308 wood. Are there any knowledgable front sight removal specialists that can pass along the trade of how to preform this elusive skill?
I can see two pins on top of the front sight housing, but I am not too sure how they come out. Our friendly neighborhood EAA technician chose not to be informative on the matter...
Detailed stuff and pictures are welcome...
This is the gun I have
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Check it out all!
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Yep, thats silver bear.
Try Some Tracer ammo. The burning bullet makes additional sparks, and a streak that looks cool in a picture.
308 cal also has Incindiary and Star Burst ammo that looks cool upon impact.
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Have your saiga converted to accept M1A Mags and you can get 30 round capacity.
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Galil and M1A Mags are popular. They go up to 30 round capacity in aftermarket brands.
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Here is the main Website adress:
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/
and here is a link to the saiga magazines...
http://www.cdnninvestments.com/shotguns.html
I personally dont see and 308 saiga mags though...
I will tell you what I would do for mags... say i needed more...
The first thing is to check the manufacturer of the gun.
Mine was made in Florida.
European American Armory made my gun> http://www.eaacorp.com
Their magazines are about 35 dollars for one, 50 Dollars for 2, and 75 dollars for 3 magazines.
That is about 25 dollars a mag and you are getting ORIGINAL factory mags, not aftermarket crap.
Heres the like to their magazine store section> http://www.eaacorp.com/parts/Magazines/smag.shtml
at 25 bucks a factory mag from the factory, how can you go wrong?
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Hmmm,
I will think about welding, but I want it removable, for legality reasons. (I also have a AWC thundertrap threaded for my M1A that I may want to try out on it later
)I like to keep everything removable and changable... Keeps the gun fun! If I have to weld it and later get tired of it, that means I may have to sell it or do some major grinding.
I could just remove the front sight all together and use a scope for sights!
Or maybe I can modify, remove material form the front sight itself... Just maybe.
Lathe work is too much to handle for such a project.
THANKS ALOT FOR THE INFO ABOUT THE PUSH PINS! I was wondering about that!
I got a 6 inch Dial Caliper from Sears today for 30 bucks, It says my barrel diameter was about 0.695 inches. I will need to see of I can get a brake that diameter now.
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I bet that they may make a 15 or 16 round mag. But 20 round seems too long, and 30 round is just humongous!
308 is a fat round, I can see 30 rounds in a 223 or 20 cal, they are small.
I say 20 rounds will be cool!
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Just outa curiosity, dooes anyone know how the front sight is installed on a 308 saiga wood?
It looks pretty odd in making, is it welded on? or is it just pinned or pressed on.
I have found a muzzle brake I like... I feel that the Israeli Muzzle Brakes will do great justice for this rifle.
I am getting mine from http://www.entreprise.com/
They have 3 main diffrent types...
I think I will Get the one with set screws, threading a barrel is expensive and has small legal issues I think.
ALL I REALLY NEED TO DO NOW IS FIGURE OUT HOW TO MOVE THAT FRONT SIGHT ASSEMBLY BACK A HALF INCH!
P.S. Does anyone have the Saiga Wood with 22in BBL, and a Micrometer, or a method of gettting the OUTSIDE diameter of the barrel down to the thousanths of an inch?
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I am goinna get in contact with a local gunsmith and try to put a good muzzle brake on my Saiga 308 in wood. The front sight goes all the way to the end of the barrel, I hope to keep welding to a last resort, I will keep ya posted to how it turns out
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Th Saiga 308 with the 22 inch barrel is an excellent deal for the buck! It is accurate to about 1.5 to 2 inches at 100 yards, easily a good hunting rifle, and Semi auto shooting fun is always a plus!
They are light weight as well, Also some of the other features of the Saigas are the Quick Disconnect scope mounts that come with the rifles.. and soviet scopes are cheap! You can also get a QD mount that will mount any weaver scope for a western scope of your choice.
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The History of the 308 (7.62x51 NATO) - Very Brief
The 30 Cal Bullet was designed and manufactured I think, in 1894, It was Just called the 30 Cal back then then in 1906, The very popular 30/06 springfield was adopted by the U.S. military and commissioned into use in 1906. The 30/06 springfield's official military name "Caliber.30, Model 1906, Mark 1".
The 30/06 Served us well in Springfield Armory M1903 bolt action, then in the M1 Garand Semi auto rifles.
I'd like to name all the Development steps and improvments to the 30 cal bullet, but it was almost continuous. Better waterproofing of the Cartridges and so many diffrent bullets - From the 55 grain Accellerator http://www.remington.com/ammo/ballistics/c...ults.asp?cal=29
To the match grade precision target ammo used in long range target shoots to
Military ammo such as the Black tip Armor piercing and tracer rounds.
Continuous revelopment to make it more accurate and cleaner in your barrel to shoot.
After WW2, The United States Military (the DOD) Put up a contract that Winchester Ammo had undertaken, it was to make the 30/06 which is a long action bullet, into a Short action bullet that will cycle faster in heavy machine guns and "modernize" the already nearly 60 year old military cartridge.
The rules set forth was that the NEW 30/06 bullet had to use the same bullets(slugs) and needed to be the same velocity and hold the same flight path. but needed to be about a half inch shorter to fit into a newer short action machine gun.
The results were the creation of the 7.62x51 NATO or 308 cartridge. The US military then began development of the new 308 and kinda left the 30/06, from there on, to the civilian sector for hunting and sport use.
The 308 gradually evolved from the 180 and 200 grain slugs of the 30/06 to the 168 and 172 grain bullets for sniper rifles and all the way down to a 147 grain bullet for the M60 Machineguns.
The 308 and 30/06 are swtill very like bullets. This is even more evident if you reload them. They both can still accept the same slugs, But the 308 does use modernized cleaner burning and hotter powder to achieve the near 30/06 power and velocity.
Here are some ballistics to campare between the 308, and 7.62x54
147 grain FMJ made by Winchester
Distance (yds) Muzzle___50___100___200___300___400___500
Velocity (fps)___2800__2690__2582__2374__2176__1987__1812
Distance (yds) Muzzle___50___100___200___300___400___500
Energy (ft. lbs.)_2560__2363__2176__1840__1545__1289__1072
The 54 Russian is quite lower...
Winchester 7.62x54 Russain 180 gr. Metric Calibers Full Metal Jacket
Distance (yds) Muzzle___50
Velocity (fps)__2579___2480
Distance (yds) Muzzle___50
Energy (ft. lbs.)_2658__2493
There is less info on the ballistics of the 54 Russian, noone bothered to measure it out to 500 yards, but for basic comparison, you can see the diffrence in the velocity and energy. But for accuracy, The 308 is way more refined, thus much more accurate!
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I am active duty military now, and have some experience with both the 7.62x54 and 7.62x 51 cartridges...
I first want to say that I enjoy both of these fine rounds, but for the purpose of comparison, I will have to be critical to compare them.
7.62x54 Russian history- Very brief
The "54 Russian" was developed in Mother Russia in the year 1891, which was just in time for The Russian revolution.
Industries built the Nagant bolt action rifles by the millions for virtually no cost at all per unit.
The russian revolution ended in 1924, and the bolt action rifles began to sell to anyone who would pay anything for them. In short the russian people were hungry and the guns were a meal ticket if they could find a buyer. The Nagants popularity began to spread.
WW1 brought the nagants back out and some weapons development. But not much.
WW2 Brought about a need for "Automatic machine guns". The originally bolt action bullet, remained unchanged and the PK machine gun was born to shoot full-auto.
After WW2, the USSR fell apart and tens of millions of AK-47s and PKs and Nagant rifles of all sorts flooded the world market, selling for dirt cheap, as once again russian citizens were selling them to try to make a buck and buy food. (there are still millions of them all over the world selling for just a few 100 dollars or less.)
Vietnam and 1980s brought about the need for Squad Sniper weapons, the soviets adapted the Dragunov rifle and specialized ammo called 7N1 and 7N2 sniper ammo. This gun was classified secret and was virtually unknown to the west for a long time.
You can now buy a Dragunov and its copies, The Romak 3 and PSL for about 500 to 600 dollars. I have read many articles in Special weapons magazine, and others about test firing of the Dragunov and copies for comparison... They all state that it shoots fair to poor for a sniper rifle with regular 54 russian ammo. 2, 3 and 4 inch groups depending on the brand.
BUT! with the 7N1 sniper ammo, It has a whole new face! 1 inch groups are not too difficult at all! 7N2 ammo is just as good!
The Russian people, after the Russian revolution, stayed in a state of poverty which made research and development a luxury they could not afford. So the standard 7.62x54 remainded unchanged tinn the 7N1 ammo was developed in the early 60s. (Many felt that it worked great, why improve?)
Long story short, the 54 russian Had not changed at all since its development back in 1891. It still uses the same powder charge, the same "metal alloy" cases and bullets, and minus the development of 7N1 Sniper rounds, is still literally 1891 technology.
A good magaizine to get to learn about the versions of the Dragunov and it variants and the 7N1 ammo is the "Shotgun News 2nd Annual Treasury Issue" The magazine is not dated, but you can request a copy from Shotgun News and they will know what you are talking about. VERY indepth.
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Hey,
Check on getting your Rifle converted from Saiga mags to M1A magazines
M1A mags come in 5 round, 10 round, 20 round, and 30 rounds.
Assault weapons Ban SUNSET!
in Saiga .308
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