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I recently acquired an Izhmash rubber buttpad to add to a 12C folder. My Google Fu is failing me as I have yet to find a picture or procedure for installing this. I've read the older threads on this site regarding some issues that can arise with these... What I need to know is how to install them. From what it seems, you poke holes through the rubber to be able to install the screws to mount them.
FYI, it replaces the Metal buttplate. I'm looking for confirmation/experience on how to install this buttpad.
UPDATE: I sent a couple emails out to RKIs on the S12 platform; turns out if you squeeze the buttpad longitudinally, there are a couple slits that become exposed. you lubricate the & install the crews though them.
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Thanks for posting the rental site... Similar to jojo, I've passed on some dbl bbl shotguns due to dented barrels. It's not that I didn't know about the tool, but rather that I didn't want to pony up $500 for a new tool. I've looked for used dent removing tools, but I have never found one for a price I was willing to pay... Especially when I don't/won't buy one without having a true need for it.
It's real nice to know that I can simply rent one as needed.
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Looks like the factory Molot 8rd mags are back @ $99 each tonight.
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From NY Dicktater's... Ahem... Governor's website
Q: If I modify my gun by removing all design characteristics that makes it an
assault weapon, do I have to register it?
A: No. If you modify your gun so that it is not an assault weapon, you do not have to register it. The modification must be permanent however. This includes, for example, removing the bayonet lug by cutting or grinding, grinding off the threads on the barrel, removing the foregrip so that it cannot be readily reattached, or any change that cannot be reversed through reasonable means.
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I am looking to sell an original (Halo) Monolithic Arms S12 quadrail forearm with integrated sights. This is much heavier than most products on the market and helps with muzzle rise. No longer produced... as the company was acquired.
I installed it on my S12 and used if briefly, but decided to go another direction with wood furniture. The forearm only has slight wear where it was installed/contacted the 'trunion' of the S12.
Asking $175. Please IM if interested.
(thanks for the reminder on 'Halo' Cobra... I actually forgot that was the original name)
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A century of progress
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I originally posted this question to Carolina Shooters Supply, and they recommended that I contact you directly.
Is it possible to get a Tromix stock with no mounting holes? ( As an FYI, I do not have a Tromix conversion)
I'm interested in cutting the stock at a 3 degree angle, then drilling the holes to mount to the folding mechanism. This would easily allow for mounting the stock at the correct angle... And when folded to the right... provide the necessary clearance for the factory charging handle.
I could always cut/sleeve/re-drill my current Tromix stock, but I'd prefer to just start from a blank.
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There are somem AK type firearms with the information on the trunion.. My Saiga 12 has the serial number on one side and the model, importer, city and state on the other side of the trunion. Granted... Those are very big trunions.
Regardless, I do have a letter from the Tech Branch regarding the trunion. Once riveted to the sheet metal receiver, it becomes part of the receiver (basically considered as permanent as the metal strips in polymer framed firearms). If the trunion contains the original manufacturer's serial number, then it cannot ever be replaced because doing so would remove the original serial number. If not serial numbered or if it does not contain original required NFA marks,then it can be replaced.
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I bought this fun NIB in 1998 directly from the importer (Kalashnikov USA) when the were initially showing them at a Tampa Bay gun show. I waited six years and then personally converted this shotgun the month after the AWB expiration. So, I know this is magazine release is factory because I removed the shotgun NIB from the box. I have no clue why it would be that short, but my original 12C LEO from 1999 has the newer style release as have all of my other S12s.
From what I see in my other S12s, I have the same opinion as you... That the receiver block is the same... But that pin is almost comical it is in there so tight. No other S12 I have ever disassembled has ever been as tight as this one... Which makes me wonder if there is something that I dont know or am overlooking on this older model.
That's the reason for this thread; before I put attempt to use a hydraulic press to remove the pin, I'm hoping that Tromix or Danzig or other 'old school' forum members have seen or worked with of these and can provide a definitive answer.
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Is it possible to get a Tromix stock with no mounting holes? ( As an FYI, I do not have a Tromix conversion)
I'm interested in cutting the stock at a 3 degree angle, then drilling the holes to mount to the folding mechanism. This would easily allow for mounting the stock at the correct angle... And when folded to the right... provide the necessary clearance for the factory charging handle.
I could always cut/sleeve/re-drill my current Tromix stock, but I'd prefer to just cut and drill once and be done.
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Well... After years of running my S12 SBS with a factory magazine release, I'm interested in replacing the factory mag catch with an extended mag catch from JT. I have a 1998 Kalashnikov USA import and noticed that the spring and rear contact surface of this 'older' S12 is different than even the more recent imports. In addition the actual original lever is shorter than the more recent imports.
For reference, the old style mag release has a typical coil spring (similar to a firing pin spring) that presses against the back top of the mag release to create the tension.
My question is, Is this 'old' style S12 mounting point/receiver block compatible with the new parts? I'm guessing yes... But can't seem to get the pin to easily come out......... And the pin....... Holy $@ it's in their tight. Even with penetrating oil and hitting the pin MUCH MUCH harder than the gas block pins... It doesn't budge. So before I continue down the removal/T&E with the newer parts, i'm hoping that someone can confirm the compatibility. I'd rather just leave the old pin if there is a difference in the receiver block.
Any guidance is appreciated.
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I've been looking for a US made flash suppressor for for a Saiga 20 with the original Russian 20 threads. I've found a couple options on muzzle attachments, but none that mimic the Saiga 12 slotted flash suppressors. I'm looking for a flash suppressor type extension - not a choke, nut or AK-74 muzzle brake design.
Question - Is anyone manufacturing these at this time?
Thanks.
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To summarize all the posts above and add a bit more detail:
In short, you can't make a 20 gauge or 12 gauge pistol due the 'smooth bore'. Smooth bore 'pistols' are not pistols... they are AOWs and subject to the NFA. Regarding the diameter of the bore. 'Pistols' with rifling are no longer pistols at 20gauge and 12 gauge diameter. So, if you want 'pistol' with less than an 18" barrel, you will need to register it as an AOW, Destructive Device or a Short Barrelled Shotgun. I haven't seen anyone register an S12 as a DD... and frankly I think most of us would prefer if everyone just steers clear of articulating how unsporting the shotgun is that it would necessitate a DD status to the BATFE.
For NFA, the Form 1 making tax is $200. So if you're going to build one yourself... you may as well just make an SBS out of a 'sporting' Saiga. That way you can use a stock or put it in a pistol configuration. If you live in a state that does not allow SBSs... then you MIGHT want to try to make your own receiver and cannibalize an S12 for all the necessary parts and make an AOW... but damn that would be time consuming and expensive.
Once an AOW is made, the Form 4 transfer tax is $5... but it will cost you $200 to make it on a Form 1. Alternatively, you could have a C2 SOT make it on a Form 2... then there is no making tax... but you'll need to pay the C2 SOT for his effort and then pay the $5 to have it transferred to you via a Form 4.
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First, the serial numbered part - by itself - is not considered the receiver if the BATF Tech Branch interprets the structure of the Saiga 12 the same as it has for AKs in its prior letters/rulings. Technically, when the 'trunion' contains the only serial number and it is 'permanently' riveted to the sheetmetal portion of the 'receiver' it becomes part of the permanent receiver. Both parts - combined - make up the receiver if the trunion has the only serial number.
With AKs, the ATF will not allow you to replace a trunion (even though they classify serial numbered trunions as TRUNIONS) if it contains the one and only serial number BECAUSE it is defacto a permanent part of the receiver because the receiver must contain the serial number. It is a federal crime to intentionally obliterate, obscure, deface or remove the original serial number. That is why you cannot replace the trunion (because you would be removing the ORIGINAL serial number) from the receiver. Additionally, the ATF considers bent, machined portions of the AK receiver to be receivers. BUT since the two parts are manufactured and permanently assembled prior to leaving the manufacturer... they consider the two combined the receiver with the trunion containing the serial number of the receiver. That is also why you can't buy a bent sheetmetal receivers with all the holes/openings machined without it having a serial number because - by itself - it qualifies a a receiver and, as such, must contain the serial number.
Now, if you want to demil the Saiga 12, I suspect that the demil process would be the same as a typical AK in that you can leave the trunion intact while torching the receiver in the specified locations. BUT... since the ATF has not classified the Saiga 12 'trunion' an actual trunion (at least per their letter to Wesley Drennan at Soupbowl Enterprises dated Nov 17, 1997), they might require a different method or locations to legally demil via torching.
In short, if you are 100% gung-ho on destroying a S12 and manufacturing a S12 virgin sheetmetal channel, you need to write the Tech Branch ask:
What is the appropriate method/cutting location to legally destroy a Saiga 12 receiver and have the remaining parts unrestricted for sale?
Don't be too surprised if the ATF requires a different method than an AK rifles, and requires you to torch cut from the magwell to the the barrel through the trunion - which would effectively destroy the part you need to 'easily' make an AOW.
Peace out.
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The base, unconverted Saiga 12 is sporting.
If they re-class other configurations... well it will probably work the same way it did for ATF Rulings 94-1 and 94-2. Personally, I would not count on them letting you register it in violation of state law. There were options for exempting the receiver from registration and I'm gessing those may apply if this were to happen.
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I've been looking for one too... I've had no luck over the past month. I've posted WTB on several boards... zilch. If you find a source that has more than you need, please throw me a bone and let me know.
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LIke gunnysmith said, you need to buy the tools and a new locking block if you want it to be right. Given the cost of locking blocks and the tools... you might be better off just having a gunsmith do it. Personally, I've used Court in Ft Lauderdale, FL to headspace/barrel my FALs. IM me if you want his email.
With the cost of shiping both ways today... using an out-of-state smith might not be as attractive as in years past. Just remember that if you ship a FAL, separate the upper from the lower in the box - because when assembled and boxed - they are typically longer than the 42" length at which UPS/Fedex charge for oversized packages. I check dimensions on all my shipping and believe me - it will cut your costs significantly.
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There are already a couple threads that exist on this board about AOWs, trunions and receiver channels.
I'll summarize the ATF's opinion:
If a trunion is serialized and not the sheetmetal then it cannot be removed from the firearm/receiver - period. My interpretation from their prior letters/rulings is that if the serial number is on the trunion, and the trunion is riveted to the sheetmetal portion of the receiver, then the two parts are considered 'permanently' attached to one another and - in effect - BOTH become part of the receiver the same as two parts that are welded together.
There is a letter that was posted from the Tech Branch of the BATF asking if a serial-numbered trunion on an AK can be replaced. The Tech Branch's response was that since the trunion contains the serial number IT CANNOT BE REMOVED or REPLACED as doing so would violate federal law since the serial number would be removed from the receiver. This means that they consider a serialized trunion part of the receiver, but not exclusively the receiver. (Think about it - If they did not have this opinion then bent AK flats with all holes could be marketed/sold as 'parts' and the trunion the receiver. This is not the case... so the ATF must consider the serialized trunion part of the receiver if the sheetmetal does not contain the original serial number.)
Now... there is a legal way to destroy an AK/Saiga and re-use the trunion with a new sheetmetal receiver. I think that the ATF has posted on their website how to use a cutting torch to legally destroy an AK receiver... check their site for the details. My guess is that the sheetmetal portion of the orginal receiver would need to be destroyed to 100% prevent its use on another firearm, then the trunion could be removed from the stub that was left over (just like the torch cut kits on the market today). Then you could fabricate a new sheetmetal receiver, mark it accordingly, and use the old trunion and parts to fabricate a new AOW. That is my guess... make sure to get an knowledgable SOT C2/manufacturer to guide you on this.
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+1 on the MythBusters episode... don't fire a shotgun underwater.
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Rule 1 for me, shoot every gun I buy.
Rule 2 for me, if I violate Rule 1 and the rifle is NIB, I make sure I just want it for the long haul and not as an investment.
Rule 3, guns are investments ONLY if you eventually sell them or your inheritors sell them.
Rule 4, the governent will always change the laws regarding firearms purchasing and owning. Regulations more than anything else drive values of import and current production firearms.
With regards to keeping an S12 NIB, unconverted - it is not as desirable as when professionally converted. That being said, many folks have particular tastes for conversion and want to pick their own. So you're kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't. But I think you're a lot more damned if you don't because..............
In closing - If the Obamination gets elected, you might want to have the US parts and convert it if an AWB bill gets introduced in Congress. Remember that in the last AWB, only guns that were converted PRIOR to the legistlation being passed were exempt from being classified as restricted 'assault weapons'. Even if the receiver was manufactured prior to the AWB, you could not l(egally) convert them once ithe AWB was in place. So, the pristine, unconverted one is okay to keep in the short term, but be prepared to manufacture it into a converted configuration quickly if needed - because that is where the real value/desirability is.
Remember back to 2004 before the AWB sunset.... you could buy as many S12s as you could afford for $200 NIB. Nobody wanted them until the conversions started showing up extensively on this - and other - web boards. Based on recent history - I don't believe that demand for an unconverted Saigas would be too high in the event of a new AWB.
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The Bulgarian hardware will work with the exception of the front latch. The Saiga 12 has a unique front latch mechanism that differs from AK rifles. I don't know if Oleg still has any, but you can check www.rusmilitary.com for the front latch part kit. Other than front latch, the Bulgarian rear mounting plate, pins, spring, rivets and stock will work.
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Yes, you can make your own parts and there's no requirement to mark it USA. Marking it is mainly CYA paranoia. Personally, I hate the USA markings as I think they tend to 'clutter up' the look of a clean rifle. I prefer to find items either (1) not marked, but made in the USA, or (2) very inconspcuously marked, or (3) NFA whereby I can eliminate USA parts altogether. Unfortunately, I'm in the minority and most do want them... so manufacturers tend to engrave it. Hell, a receipt with a description 'USA xxx part' is all I want.
Somebody remind me... does Tromix mark all his parts or is it just obvious by the design? I can't recall, but I don't remember seeing any marks on his Lage stock, handguards or muzzle attachments.
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Hi Guys,
Saiga Poly-Choke Slotted ...The concern for me is that it's made out of poly
Any comments would be welcome
Stu
Damn dude, I am speechless.
MP5 CLONE!! (MKE)
in NFA Section
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Does anyone know a dealer that has both the MP5 & MP5K B&T stocks 'in stock' right now?