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Will do Jim !
The Yugo mags are sharp,so be carefull .
Apex has them as does Jestice,both for more $ than I paid.
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The Followers made by Robinson Armament fixed the feed issue in the 5.45 mags with the 5.56 by raising the round up more. The other issue was the need to grind out part of the 5.45 mag body. The mags converted by Century for use in the SAR .223 rifles had all of the hard work done to the mag bodies,but century failed to add the RA follower, which led to feeding issues.
The partially converted Century mags can still be located,add a RA follower and you are golden.
MY RA imorted Vepr cam from Robinson with a texture painted East German modified 5.45 from the manufacturer.
These mags do work well for me ,no matter how many people talk of mag geometry.
Unfortunately the RA followers are made of plastic and are no longer available. My wife scored me 10 just before they stopped selling them.
Hope this helps !
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They were cheap enough to gamble a mod on.
Next up is to mod the yugo mags to fit in the Valmet. Valmet mags are Expen$ive !
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Yours dimpled or slab side ?
Do they touch the rails on your slabside rifle? No,but none of mine do,Weigers,East German converted Bakelites, Beryls.Mine is slabside, and I could use some additional magazines besides the East German Weigers I am using. Your pics imply similar mods as the Weigers.Correct,you also need to file a little bit for clearance for the front of the bullet guide and some on the rear to clear the center support ,I have not modified/ filed my center support,so I had to mod the mag to clear the support.
Where are you getting these magazines?Picked them up at J&G super cheap $3or so for the 10rd mags and $6 or 7 ea for the 30 rd mags.
Thanks.
Hope this helps Jim !
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Yours dimpled or slab side ?
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Check out my post about Yugo mags in a Saiga .223 on page two for more details on this .
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Grumpy is headed for Dripping Springs Texas! The hill country is gorgeous and the people are friendly and EVERYONE is into guns!
Love this place !
I hunt this area every year. Trudy's is a pretty good place to eat .
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Even though I have a lot of .223 mags now, I would love to buy a couple if you made them. I think it's a good next product to work on, especially since some of the US-made options are a little cheesy.
I don't know what your price point is, but with the quality Beryl and Circle-10 magazines being around $25-30, I think you would have to come in around there, hopefully a little less. I have no idea how much it actually costs you to make these things.
Also, you have an opportunity to make a magazine that is marketable to more than the Saiga. Most Euro .223 AKMs have generally similar magazine feed geometry specs. The differences are mostly in the receiver cutout size, width of the trunnion, and whether or not the trunnion uses square or round head rivets on the inner lower rivet position.
It seems like the Saiga and Vepr .223 have very similar mag wells. You could at least target those two models. The SLR-106 comes in very close. It would be nice to be able to target the SAR-3 and WASR-3 as well. Maybe get some guys on here with those various rifles to take dimensions of the receiver cutout and lower trunnion width?
You could always just copy the general Weiger or Galil design, but tailor the feed angle and height to fit most Euro .223 AKMs. If you were going to do this, I would think the Galil design would be a better option, because by default it has the ability to use AR mag springs and followers. You could cut out part of your manufacturing process right there by just using common US-made parts.
My personal preference would be to have a mag without built-in bullet guide, as once again it could be used with other common .223 AKMs other than the Saiga/Vepr, but I have no idea what it would cost you to make both if you feel that the stock Saiga/Vepr market is a necessary niche.
Totally agree with this ^
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If I recall, the stock Saiga disconnector spring is a bit long . Not sure if you are reusing it or not ?
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I have both the green and the black Beryl mags, I prefer the black over the green.
The clear mags do infact crack ,I sold all of my clear ones during the scare,as they were developing cracks.
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Are the 12ga Vepr mags available ?
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I called Webbers today - $160 plus parts to do this
Ouch !
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I also used the Dinzag on 2 Saigas and 2 Veprs with good results. His drill bit and taps are pretty good quality. I used 1 of his bullet guide kits to drill and tap 1 saiga and 2 Vepr trunnions.
I know most use a drill press ,but I used a cordless drill on mine.
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Saiga firing pins are available from cerephim and extractors are being made by a guy on the Vepr forum for the .308 Saiga and the 7.62X54 R Vepr.
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I picked up a couple of the Saiga .308 CSS specs mags when they were on sale, to try out. I have to say I am impressed and they ARE as good as everyone says they are.
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One more pic with the mag in the rifle.On a side note,with some minor mods the CSSpecs U.S. made AK floorplates with fit for 1 more additional 922R compliance part.
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I have been asked the question a few times about converting the Yugo M85 mags for use in a Saiga. While converting these mags in my opinion in not worth the hassle, they are cheap right now in both 30rd and 10 rd capacities and readily available and are a quality steel magazine.
Just like the Beryls and Bulgarian mags the front of the mags need to have some material removed to clear the front trunnion. You will need to measure down about 3/16" and either make a mark or mask with a piece of tape. File or grind down until you barely touch the top of the tape and stop . You have noe clearanced for the front trunion ,now you will need to reprofile the area for your bullet guide. You will also need to remove a slight amout of material fro the rear of the mag ,so it with lock in .
Go slow,you can always file a little more, but it is hard to put material back on.
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10 -12 rds of .223 in a 5.45 is not an issue. When you try to load a full 30 rds of .223 in a 5.45 mag,then the feedlips need opened up with a dremel and the follower needs to be replaced with a RA follower. The RA follower allows the .223 rounds to sit higher in the 5,45 mag and it solves the issue. These followers were used when .223 AK mags were in short supply and 30rd 5.45 mags were everywhere for $5ea.
The followers are difficult to find and the conversions are not worth the effort . 5.45 mags are not $5 anymore.
Back in the day they were a viable option. I have a few that still work .
My Vepr came with one from RA with one that was painted with some textured black paint .
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That is a sweet offering by Atlantic .
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You mentioned that your Saiga is the dimpled mag well version. I am not sure if this matters or not,but mine is the slabside.
The Yugo's are cheap right now,they can be had for as little as $9.95 ea in bulk,but it is alot more work to convert one than the Beryl mags or the Bulgy mags. The only upside is that they are readily available and cheap.
Just to give you an idea, I have over 30 Yugo mags between the 10 rders and 30 rd mags and I have only converted 1.
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Most likely your issues are a combination of the front of the mags needing a little material removed to clear the front trunnion and your mag catch needing filed down on yourunmodified Saiga.
These are the same mods made to the Bulgarian mags.
Mancats video, is an excellent video showing this.
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Which brand of AR mag adapter is your ?
How much work was it to fit ?
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Okay so no MIM ,then you need to pass on the Tapco,Texas AK trigger,and the Arsenal unit.
That only leaves the Red star Arms.
Beryl Mags back in stock
in Saiga .223
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Sold out allready !