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What Scott Kenny said. My removable UTG is reverse threaded. Clock-wise to loosen, on mine anyway.
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My Circle 10s fit very tight and I took very little off the feed lip and the "sides" near the lip. I did have to round off and polish the bullet ramp because the angle was too high.
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You can't just leave us hanging like that...lol. Where did you get them? Is there a part number? I checked the SGM site and couldn't find anything about this.
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I just finished my conversion and I am now 922R compliant. Ordered all the parts from Dinzag and they arrived in a jiffy. It took around 5 minutes with the Dremel to grind only the feed ramp on the Circle 10s (yay...sparks...steel reinforced) and they snapped firmly into place. I can grab the Circle 10 mags and shake the rifle vigorously with no wobble. Same with the factory Saiga, Surefire, and Promags. I hand cycled them all after fussing with the bullet guide a bit (the bit wandered off a little on the trunion so I had to position the guide farther back than desired).
I test fired the Circle 10s and they worked great - seemed to cycle faster and the G2 FCG is much better. Reassembly wasn't bad at all. I used a screwdriver to hold the BHO aligned with the hammer pin hole, used Spider Wire (you fishermen know what that is) instead of dental floss on the BHO spring. Then I temporarily used the retainer plate to keep it from falling apart while I did the rest.
A word to the wise - a drill press would have made the job much easier. I did everything with a vice using wooden paint mixing sticks so as not to damage the finish. The Dupli-Color engine enamel matched up great and I love the Hogue grip. I re-used the Tapco T6 stock and it leaves me with un ugly screw hole. Easy fix. I'll get a new folding stock and throw the T6 in my box of spare parts...lol. The balance feels much better after the conversion. Glad I did it.
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It's difficult to get a ruler in there but I just measured mine as best I could. It sticks through the receiver approximately 1/4". I'll be taking it apart soon enough...just waiting on my conversion parts. The more I read the more I get confused. Mine is an 08 version and has the hole for the pistol grip nut. Also bought a few Circle 10 mags and now I read that the mags and the receiver may need modification. Hopefully I'll be luck like some and just need to trim the feed lip. I won't know until everything arrives from Dinzag. If it helps I'll be able to measure it exactly when I disassemble it.
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Thanks for the info 7.62. Maybe the loud report is what always seems to draw the Range Masters attention. I don't think I'll buy any more of this ammo. Next visit to the range will be fun. I just ordered my conversion parts. SGM quad-rail, Hogue pistol grip, bullet ramp, FCG, retainer plate, trigger guard, Circle 10 mags, etc. I can't wait.
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Mine are lot # 174. Really wondering if i should just put up with the occasional asthma attack from the Russian ammo...lol
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"16" barrels with hot loaded ammo gives you one heck of a fire ball and a concussion loud enough to wake any dummy at the range."
Woo...you're not kidding. Last night I ran off about 40 rds of XM193. Thankfully no flames from anywhere but the barrel! Observed from a side angle it's like a bloody flamethrower. For kicks I compared it to 7.62 X 39 (Wolf 124gr FMJ) through an SKS and it's not even close.
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My XM193 boxes are marked XM193F and 5.56mm M193 Ball. Nothing about NATO. Oh and "WARNING: KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN". //><\\
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I just called Russian American Armory Corporation (Toll Free (877) 752-2894) and posed the question about Federal XM193 ammo use in a Saiga identified as both .223 Remington and 5.56 X 45. He told me there was no difference in chambering regardless of how they are identified and that he has personally fired 1000s of NATO rounds through .223 Remington stamped models without a problem. Next time I go to the range I will compare them with a box of Remington UMCs to see if I notice a difference. If I explode and survive I'll report back...lol. Joking...I've already fired at least 500 XM193 rounds and have yet to explode.
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I have my manual and it describes the caliber of my particular model (415 mm barrel) as both .223 AND 5.56 X 45, however it is stamped .223 Remington on the rifle itself. I like this carbine but I have to comment that it has quite a few peculiarities that have me considering an AR. This ammo issue being one, the modifications necessary for mags being another. If memory serves, I think I saw a metal box containing a dozen new metal 30 rd mags for an AR for the price of 6 plastic Surefires. If you're the type that likes tinkering as a hobby the Saiga is fine. If you want to just shoot without concern for explosions (not to mention the whole 922r thing) the AR might be the way to go. (Flame suit on)
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This ammo and my new generation 3 Saiga equals danger for the shooter.
The cartridge shows very high pressures. All case heads expanded .0 03" compared to all other ammo. The primers were flattened and a raised edge around the firing pin strike. The case markings and head was highly distorted. Yes before anyone posts I did take into account the raised portion on the bolt denting the case head. I had flames from the muzzle and a few shots showed flames out of the reciver cover.
Definely a no go in my rifle.
I would say use with caution.
Working on the restoration now. Just waiting on the remaining parts.
This has me all confused. I've used Federal XM193 in the Saiga plenty of times with no apparent problem. I bought a bulk box described in the catalog as .223. It arrived in a box labeled 5.56 M193 Ball. Not sure of the significance but Federal calls it "commercial ammunition".
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Most people go with the Tapco G2 Single-hook. If you don't have any notches already cut in your receiver (which you should double-check because I think you would be in the minority, at least in recent batches), you will have to cut some. Cutting one (for the single-hook) will be quicker/easier than cutting two (for the double).
Thanks, I just bought this new and checked yet again. No Notches. I should have been more aware re: 922r going in.
It's covered up by the Clinton plate.
Remove your dust cover and bolt, then look down. You should be able to see where the new FCG will go.
Ok...I'll take it apart and have a look. (I should wait before I ask this - but will the hook fit - or will I have to buy a different plate?) Thanks all...I appreciate the help.
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Most people go with the Tapco G2 Single-hook. If you don't have any notches already cut in your receiver (which you should double-check because I think you would be in the minority, at least in recent batches), you will have to cut some. Cutting one (for the single-hook) will be quicker/easier than cutting two (for the double).
Thanks, I just bought this new and checked yet again. No Notches. I should have been more aware re: 922r going in.
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I want to be certain I stay in compliance with 922r and have been studying FCGs. The link below to Dinzag Arms shows the difference between single hook and double hook receivers. When I look at mine there are no notches in the receiver as depicted.
What am I missing here? I'm trying to decide between the Tromix or the G2.
Advice and suggestions cheerfully accepted.
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Tapco T6 Six position stock
Ergo grip
G2 trigger group
Homemade bullet guide to run Galil's
Custom camo job...by me!
Leapers Bi-rail scope mount
NC Star 3-9x42 Illuminated mil-dot scope
2 forend rails attached
Vertical grip
Rail attachable bi-pod
That is awesome. I think I'm going to get the exact stock and the scope setup for now. My wife fired hers for the first time yesterday and the factory stock is too long for her small frame. I notice you don't have the big old scratch from the safety. Too late for me ours is scratched already but I wish it wasn't. Can you tell me the vendor for the scope, mount, and stock? I think it saves shipping $$ if everything comes from the same place.
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Thanks! I'll be doing more asking than answering for a while. I can answer computer questions in the meantime. Way off topic but I like to contribute something if I can. Thanks again.
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Hi Jim,
I'm trying to identify that part number from page 31 of the manual. Looks like it's either part # 21 (mainspring) or part # 28 (trigger-mechanism spring). I'll look at it closely next time I disassemble and use great caution before I go bending anything.
FYI...I took a closer look at my Pro-Mag that I said worked fine. The lip on the front is broken off already. Blech. In the bag already for store credit.
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Welcome and good choice on the Saiga. It will eat ammo that the Mini can't stomach.
Sounds like you got the trigger reset issue solved.
As for optics, my friend mav suggested the Burris Fullfield II with ballistics reticle to me and I have been very pleased with the performance.
The reticle is set up for .223 and it is within the price range you quoted. Your other decision with be the mount and there are a few available so do your homework on that also.
Do you plan on doing a conversion? If so this opens up another large area of choices.
Be sure to check out the web sites of our many vendors. They have most everything you will need to get your rifle perfect for you needs.
BTW. My wife prefers my .223 to my 7.62's also, so my set-up was as much to fit her as me.
This pic has been posted recently in another thread but I will put it here as well to show you some options for your rifle. The adjustable stock with adjustable cheek weld allows me to set it up just right for her.
Hi Jim and DaveM! I will check out both the Mil spec mags and the suggested optics. As it stands now that's all I want it to do....hit a pie plate @ 50 and 100 yds about 95% of the time. Gotta save up some cash before even entertaining the idea of additional accessories. This economy is so bad I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail today. Thanks!
Edit: I don't think it hurts anything but my feelings but I'm not fond of the scratch that comes from the safety lever! I don't dare bend the thing...
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Hi All,
I've been lurking around for a while trying to make up my mind on a long gun to share with my wife. We already have a Ruger 10/22 but wanted a little more bang. She is afraid of my .30's so we narrowed it down to the Mini-14 or the Saiga .223. We decided on a new 16" Saiga. The only thing I've bought so far is a Pro-Mag 30 mag (that's all they had in the store). I've read here they aren't very good for a variety of reasons so I intend to get a Surefire or two.
Trip # 1 to the range: Using smelly Brown Bear ammo fired off about 30 rds using the factory mag. Except for the stench all went well. Fired off about 60 rds with the Pro-Mag and the random FTF began to occur. The cartridge was chambered however the trigger would not return to the "fire" position. While maintaining aim at the target I "flicked" the trigger several times and it eventually would return to the fire position and subsequently fire. Switched back to the factory mag - same thing - random FTF. Switched to brass ammo in factory mag - same thing. Range Master (who was watching closely) suggested I return the rifle for inspection/repair. I called the store where i bought it and they said no problem....just bring it in...they'd repair or replace if necessary. The gunsmith pointed out they grease it heavily for shipping and agreed to break it down and clean very carefully and test it at their indoor range. I asked if I could do it and he said ok and I did so.
Trip # 2 to the range: Leaving my smelly Brown Bear ammo in the closet, I rattled off around 400 rds using both the factory and Pro-Mag rounds without a hitch. The friendly Range-Master helped me with the windage adjustment and all seems well. I still intend to have the gunsmith inspect it next time I'm there but I think I made a good choice. Recoil is negligible and my 100 lb wife will have no problem.
Newbie Question: The two purposes for buying this rifle are #1 fun at the range and #2 SHTF. Believe me when I say this - I have tried to answer these questions myself by reading here before asking! Our eyesight just ain't what it used to be so I'm looking for recommendations on an optic setup with some magnification in the $200 range. (Please stop laughing) We do not intend to become match shooters or gunsmiths and consider hitting a pie plate @50 and 100 yds a success. We can both do our part with the Ruger 10/22 (hers) and Marlin 30-30 (mine) 95% of the time.
Anyway...sorry for the long-winded post on my first day. Been readin' here awhile and you folks have a nice group. Advice and suggestions cheerfully accepted!
Saiga 223 side mount issue
in Saiga .223
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That is odd. I threw that model number in a search box and it is described as fitting a "Variety of AKs". Maybe just not this one? It should slide on if aligned properly. The reason the "tool free" models have a screw is to adjust the tension on the release lever. You can't remove the receiver cover without first removing the side mount. Unless there is a burr or something is bent somehow I would guess it doesn't fit??