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there are no ready made flash hiders or other muzzle devices for the s308 - the rifle's front sight base needs to be removed and replaced and the barrel end reduced in diameter, etc. or have one welded on the end of the fsb - do a search and check what's been done by others.
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Dude - you need to re-install the spring - they don't lose tension like that at all - and there's plenty of tension when installing - maybe go look at the conversion web site - I think it shows proper install.
Everything is fine - you might need to adjust the rs fcg a bit though - they give specific instructions with the group.
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Just submitted my order for 4 more 20 rounders from the fuzzy bunny. I also posted a "review" on gunsnet and got a lot of compliments and interest.
Its really great to see an industry supplier go to such lengths to satisfy customer demand - I really hope they make out on this deal overall - they deserve to!
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Just thought I'd show ya'll the mag pouch that I have that works good for the new 20 round FBMG mags:
This is a pic from cheaper than dirt, not my favorite catalog house, but its the only pic I could find.
Anyhoo, this chest rig works very well for the new mags - you can put three in each of the large side pouches and one in each of the three center pouches for a total of 9. Plenty good.
This is intended for standard ak mags but as indicated it works well.
Standard FAL mag pouches are too short for these mags BTW - I checked that while I was at it too.
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I had to change my address too BTW - so don't worry about that either.
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First a couple pics:
They're here! And they fit great and look great.
I can't wait to go test em at the range.
Only problem is... now I need to order more!
Thanks FBMG.
And for you guys and gals still waiting - be patient, they'll get there.
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If you're talking about hard cast bullets then the answer is that they would either lead very badly because you have to push them to near full velocity to cycle the action or they wouldn't cycle the action.
Saigas are designed specifically for standard pressure 150-165 grain loadings - jacketed bullets.
If you want to shoot hard cast bullets, then stick with bolt actions, single shots, pumps, levers, etc. - or autoloaders that are chambered for cartridges with velocites 2,100 fps or less.
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My buttstock is a Warsaw length K-Var stamped receiver model. The pistol grip is a Galil copy from Ace Limited. I was considering a Dragunov buttstock but my hand felt cramped. The Saiga handles great despite the barrel length.
Huh, looks longer in the pic - in reality, the NATO length is what? only 1" longer or so. But it does make a difference for taller shooters. That's the same buttstock that I have on mine.
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The answer to your quandry is to use loads with 150-165 grain premium bullets - you're hunting, not plinking so you won't be shooting much - Winchester Fail Safe comes to mind - I handload and would just use 150 grain triple shocks.
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His buttstock is the same as mine - only the NATO length - from KVAR - the pistol grip looks to be FAL style - probably also available from KVAR.
Looks good with the longer barrel - balances the rifle out nicely.
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I made an address change too, but I notified FBMG twice about it - trusting them to have changed it.
And the holiday did screw things up - I have another order that shipped on the 17'th and it hasn't arrived yet either.
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No problem - BTW, welcome to the board!
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Agree - leave your new S308 in its long-barrel configuration - use a nice 4xPSO scope on it and try some match 308 ammo and be prepared for a pleasant experience.
And get a 16" model to convert to pg config like this:
This is the most "basic" pg conversion and took a little over an hour to accomplish - not counting the receiver painting and baking.
Or, if you decide you want a battle rifle instead of the sniper/designated marksman rifle, then sell your long barrel and use the funds to get a 16"...
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I don't have mine yet either - and I had an address change...
But, I'm just going to be patient and wait. They'll come.
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Just to pick up where that thread left off, the stock Saiga with 8 round mag has 14 countable imported parts. So you have to replace 4 of them if you want to make this into an "assault" rifle and use the high capacity mags.
The FBMG mags have us-made body and floorplate with russian followers (I thought these were us too, but I guess not).
So, that leaves you with two imported parts to replace.
Personally, my answer to this situation was to convert my rifle to pistol grip configuration using K-VAR buttstock and pistol grip and Red Star fire control parts and that replaced 4 imported parts.
Just remember not to concern yourself with the us-made parts count - only the imported parts count and you will keep on-track.
If you really want to keep the rifle in standard configuration, then I would go with a us-made disconnector and hammer (Red Star or maybe the Tapco G-2's would work). That is a drop-in affair and quite easy to accomplish. To re-install the bolt hold open, use a twist-tie inserted up through the botton cut-out and looped over the hold open lever (with spring in place) and then pull down to postition the lever's retaining hole with the axis pin - will save you a lot of headaches.
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I've been reading a lot of posts about AK's with side rails and optics. Many complain that the accuracy with the optics is no better or even worse than with the iron sights!
I have a theory: the scopes that seem to have the most problems are big and heavy... and so when the rifle recoils, they tend to move more (having more mass, they don't want to move when the rifle fires and therefor place more stress on the mount) - and this causes the inaccuracy.
So, I would recommend a 4x PSO - they are lighter, illuminated, inexpensive and 4x is a more useful magnification for this rifle IMHO.
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does look nice - and it is a countable part if its imported.
Buttstock is imported? You counted the buttstock...
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Stock Saiga 308 without mag has the following countable IMPORTED parts:
barrel
receiver
trunions
buttstock
handguards (one part)
bolt carrier
bolt
gas piston
3 fire control parts (hammer, disconnector, trigger)
So, 11 countable parts.
You forgot the "Magazine Body", "Floorplate", and "Follower" . . . so the total is 14 countable parts.
FBMG mags would replace the magazine body and floorplate. Down to 12, so he needs to swap two more parts. Replacing both the existing buttstock and handguard with a US-made stock and handguard, lowers the imported parts count to 10 . . .
Note that if the buttstock has a distinct pistol grip (such as on a drag stock , etc.), than it counts as two parts (search for the ATF letter I posted on this matter sever months ago). However, as O.S.O.K. correctly points out, this doesn't help except to give you an extra and uncounted US-made part.
BATF letter: http://www.soupbowl.kalashnikov.guns.ru/page12.htmlParts count different on AK rifle and Saiga shotgun.
I do not believe this particular letter from ATF is correct. It looks like they forgot the trunion.
Larry
Well - if you look at my reply - I stated "with out mag" - but you are right in that it was confusing to a newbie - the mag follower does need to be taken into consideration if it's imported. I thought they decided to use a us-made follower? That's why I didn't mention it...
I think we just confused the shit out of him again
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Boy oh boy - once an idea takes seed, it sticks forever.
To stay good with 922r, you need to focus on the IMPORTED countable parts only - counting us-made parts can send you to the wrong place.
Stock Saiga 308 without mag has the following countable IMPORTED parts:
barrel
receiver
trunions
buttstock
handguards (one part)
bolt carrier
bolt
gas piston
3 fire control parts (hammer, disconnector, trigger)
So, 11 countable parts.
So, you need to REPLACE one of the IMPORTED parts with a us part to get into complience.
I suggest the gas piston unless you really want a new buttstock.
Or, what I really recommend is doing a pg conversion which eliminates the buttstock and 3 fcg parts (assuming you use us-made fcg parts).
Just remember to count the imported parts and you will be just fine.
Oh, and the buttstock and pistol grip are two countable parts - unless there is not free-standing pistol grip, then its one.
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"dance with the one that brung ya"
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$400 to convert? Check this out: http://www.cross-conn.com/Saiga_Conversion/Step_1.htm
Do it yourself for about $150 or so - depending on the buttstock that you get. Buttstocks like the Romanian PSL have are available and will fit perfectly or you can use an ATI or Choate for some more $$$ - but not $400.
Its very easy to do the conversion and change out the fire control group - most all recommend using the Red Star fire control group (shown as Vepr 308 group).
Here is a pic of one that I did and put an ATI stock on:
It cost me $500 not counting the scope.
You can get Romanian PSL's for $500 plus shipping and transfer from http://www.southernohiogun.com for example. But, they are chambered for 7.62x54 and aren't as accurate as the Saiga IMHO. You'll have to call them - they only show a few items on thier web site.
Don't get me wrong - the Romanian's are nice rifles and cool looking and the ammo for them is very inexpensive. But for accuracy, the Saiga beats the crap out of them - on average.
The Saiga is chambered for 7.62x51/.308 and now you can get 20 round mags for it too - a nice plus.
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I don't beleive there's a mag limit in Texas. Check the regs - I haven't seen any. Lots of guys hunt hogs with these. The issue 8 rounders are good to go.
Accuracy - how good can you shoot? The rifle will typically give you 2" groupings at 100 yards - plenty good for hunting. You can do better - just have to test different loads or manufacture's. I'd stick with 150-165 grain bullets.
Yes you can mount optics - these come equiped with side mount rails - I advise you to get a mount like this: http://www.cdnninvestments.com/akqudesimone.html
And get a lightweight 4x power scope to mount on it- like the Burris minimag 4x - and some light aluminim, low mount rings.
These have good sturdy receivers and if you keep your mount/optics lightweight, you're chances of getting better accuracy with optics is good.
Hope that helps.
OH and welcome to the board!
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Woohoo!
:D - OK you guys that get yours - we need pics and range reports pronto! Great news!
GLOCKLON this the .308 I'm sending you
in Saiga .308
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Congrats on the new rifle! Looks good