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Check this: http://www.fbmg.com Oops! No, not that link, thats the Fort Bend Master Gardener's club web site
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The only complaints I have heard about the ACE adapters is that they leave the rear of the stock raked upward. It just doesn't look right like that.
An interesting observation. I did notice this quirk as I was looking at various conversion pictures.
On your website are photos of various AK/Saiga's and they look like they're wearing Ace skeleton stocks. If these are Ace stocks but you didn't use Ace receiver adapters, how did you attach them?
Perhaps my question should be simpler. What stocks do you like and how do you attach them?
First- IMHO, the S308's gas tube is fine as-is. The Russians are not stupid and engineered the gas tube to work reliably. So, mine is unmodified. I have not noticed undue recoil or internal battering using milsurp NATO ammo.
As to stocks - any stock that fits into a standard AKM (stamped AK) will fit in your pistol grip Saiga. I have the TAPCO T-6 (M4 type telescoping) in my Saiga .223 conversion and it works great. I also have Romanian side-folders in other AK's and they work great too.
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Ah, I see - probably safer to have the dogs do the driving!
And you will be shooting at a moving target. That's what I was wondering about. A red-dot would be nice for that! Especially if its early in the morning or late in evening in low light.How old does a dog have to be to get his Driver's Licence?
& I imagine the Moose have Rack and pinion steering, neh?
Hmm, the canine would probably have to be at least 2.3 years old (16/7years)
and the Moose also sport 4 hoof drive, so are pretty hard to catch up to! :lool: -
I would bet that the molded mag pouches for FAL's wont' work - but any "bag" type of mag pouch - like canvas or nylon cordura type material that is made for FAL, G-3, etc. should work great.
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On the folder/side rail issue - you could just get a nice Romanian side folder - goes right and allows full function folded.
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The short answer: because I can.
For me the mere fact that high capacity mags piss off the brady bunch is reason enough to get some.
The so-called assualt weapons ban really did it to me - I have way many more high capacity mags than I will ever have use for, but I will never again be caught without some.
Also, if I ever did want to sell my S308, then having high cap mags for it will make it much more valuable. Banish the thought.
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Looks great! Nice job - any chance of getting a leetle beeger peecture?
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I bought the used stock in a private sale. It just came today. It fits my unconverted rifle well and matches the finish on the factory handguard. I had trouble posting photos here, so go to
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?...196#post2557196
Monomonk
Glad you like it - nice job on the install. I must say that I'm partial to pistol grip conversions but this is your rifle, not mine
What's the gizmo on the barrel? bayo lug adapter? vibration dampner? ??? -
Hey - nice job on the restoration!
I like the vented handguards. -
I would have to see the hammer- not sure what you're referring to. The only part that needs milling is the part that contacts the back of the bolt to my knowledge. This is similar to the SAR-3 which also requires a mod to the standard AK hammer.
I've installed 12 G-2 fcg's and 3 Red Stars - all of the G-2's went into 7.62 or 5.45 AK's - and 2 of the Red Stars went into S308's - and function perfectly. Well worth the $85 IMHO.
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Screw the conversion just get the orginal 16" barreled saiga with the skeleton stock. They are really neat plus they look and feel great too and they come new that way from russia.
I have to respectfully disagree. In the first place you're really not converting the gun, you're unconverting it and returning it to it's normal configuration. Proof of that fact is that you have to remove that added piece of sheet metal on the bottom of the receiver. They only come that way from Russia because the US Gov't forced them to add that crap. Secondly the improvement in the trigger pull alone is worth doing the conversion. Lastly if you think one the Saiga feels great as imported wait until you handle one in it's proper configuration. There is simply no comparison.
I totally agree
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The above pictures are from http://www.freedomoptics.com FYI
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I decided to get a 308 and since my other two in the other calibers are 16" variety I was looking at the same barrel length. But am now considering the bigger round am wondering if I should go for the longer barrel for downrange performance. Should I?
It really depends on what you want - the 22" makes a great "sniper" rifle and does squeeze better ballistics out of the .308. The 16" is handy and lighter and makes a good main battle rifle - especially now that the 20 round mags are coming.
So, tomayto or tomahto?
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Correct - that changes it from a "sporting rifle" to an evil "assault style rifle" and therefore subjects it to the 922r "no more than 10 imported countable parts" rule.
The best path to take (IMHO) is to do the pistol grip conversion, install a G-2 fire control group and K-VAR (or whomever you like) buttstock and pistol grip (US made). That takes your countable parts down to:
1- barrel
2 - trunions
3 - receiver
4, 5, 6 - bolt carrier, bolt and piston
7, 8, 9 - mag body, mag follower, mag floorplate
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10 - forestock
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Gun Kote is an excellent product. How about a yellow AK?
If you want something readily available and cheap that matches the stock paint very well go to wally world and get some Duplicolor flat black High-temp engine paint - automotive area. $5.79 After removing the furniture and internals, thoroughly degrease, follow application directions and bake in the oven ( I hang my parts up under a rack) for a few hours 300-400 degrees. Don't forget the receiver cover and gas tube
Here is a pic of my .308 with this finish - fresh from the oven:
Very durable and that $6 can of paint will do two or more rifles.
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Did you mill or grind the hammer so that it is flat against the back of the bolt when in the forward (fired) position?
If you dont' do this, it will A) cause a hang-up and
deform the back of the bolt.You can also return the G-2 or use for a 7.63 or .223 Saiga and get a VEPR .308 RSA fcg ( http://www.redstararms.com ) and use that - I've installed two and other than very minor fitting issues they are drop-in and work excellent - fully and I mean fully adjustable - comes with directions.
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I'd recommend the low-rise mount like this:
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Ah, I see - probably safer to have the dogs do the driving!
And you will be shooting at a moving target. That's what I was wondering about. A red-dot would be nice for that! Especially if its early in the morning or late in evening in low light. -
What FCG are you using? I have heard that the RSA FCG needs some modification,but that the G2 works fine.
Other way around, the G2 hammer needs a little fitting, the VEPR RSA is a drop in.
Either one will be a bit narrow, and some people shim them to snug them up.
Compare the end of the new piston to your old one, and make sure you didn't get the wrong one for a 5.56. Could be the gas is bleeding past the piston.
Of course, we're all assuming you shot it before the conversion and it worked fine?
O.S.O.K reported minor fitting issues with the RSA FCG for his Saiga-308.I was under the impression that the RSA is not a drop in FCG for the Saiga converted rifles.
Yep, the first one I installed needed a little trimming - nothing big though and was basically drop-in otherwise. The second one hung-up on the rear trigger guard rivet (inside), so I had to grind the rivet head down - then it was fine. Both have a little side-to-side but that cuases no problem.
Sounds like the replacement piston is a little longer or the head might be a tad larger in diameter...
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No, there are no issues - the rear sight leaf does nothing to avert gas.
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yes, it does. Standard AK cover.
You could just get a low-rise side rail mount - and a screw-on aperture site - will be much much more stable and the zero won't wander like a cover mounted one will. The cover is just held in place by spring pressure... that would allow you to install a scope too if desired.
Speaking of hunting - do you hunt afoot or from a stand? Moose?
I bet some good Lapua hunting ammo would shoot even smaller groups for you.
Thought about that side rail too but don't really like the looks of the rifle that way. More stable it would be than cover mounted, for sure.
Yep, moose hunting it is going to be. Have been hunting small game mainly but this or next year I'm going to participate in moose hunt.
Well, you may want to try a rear-sight replacement with a windage-adjustable aperture sight. I would rather the aperture be closer to my eye, but others like them.
And when moose hunting, do you drive the moose and hunt on foot? Or do you hunt from a stand (tower, box blind, etc.)?
Oh, also - you state that you can only have two rounds - do you have to block the magazine so it will not accept more than one round?
Just curious.
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Sorry but i have to vent about this;
Everytime I see "PROBLEMS WITH MY SAIGA" posted i go up the wall.
FIRST; There are no so called problems with the orginal saiga's to begin with. Its when people are doing the conversions is when they run into problems and I have no problem with that but its posted like its the Saiga's fault to begin with so the newbies who are on the fence about buying a saiga are getting a bad rap even before they even try one. Its just not right and I think we should have a "Trouble Shooting Your Conversion" or "Fixing Problems with your Conversions" It would sound and be so much better for all of us.
Again I have no problems with doing conversions its just the posts about them they seem negative to me.
I know what your saying and I agree with the fact that it's the guy doing the conversion that's the issue - usually because they didn't read far enough about the G-2 hammer needing to be ground, etc...
However, I will say that the trigger system on the stock Siaga's suck. Some are servicable and some are really crappy. This is almost always improved by some judicious polishing. That's the only downside to the Saiga's IMHO. The prices are excellent and you get a hellava rifle for the money. The 7.62 model in particular is an excellent buy - and the easiest to convert to high capacity mags. The .308 is the easiest overall now that the 20 rounders are coming. The .223 is probably the most involved conversion, but I love mine anyway and it's 100% reliable with mod'd mags.
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I have two Saigas (both conversions), several Romanians (SAR's and builds) and a Bulgarian build.
I would equate the Bulgarian and Saiga as to quality. The Romanians are very workmanlike and excellent firearms but not finished as well as the Russians or Bulgarians.
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yes, it does. Standard AK cover.
You could just get a low-rise side rail mount - and a screw-on aperture site - will be much much more stable and the zero won't wander like a cover mounted one will. The cover is just held in place by spring pressure... that would allow you to install a scope too if desired.
Speaking of hunting - do you hunt afoot or from a stand? Moose?
I bet some good Lapua hunting ammo would shoot even smaller groups for you.
red dot sight
in Saiga .308
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I've got the PK-AV which is centered over the bore - big circle, little dot and works even when the battery is dead (black markings). What's not to like?