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Currently you can buy the red stock set separately for $129 with free shipping: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1032.aspx
Sorry, for my confusion - my reference to a $829 price was for a slightly less modded one here: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct1027.aspx
So does anyone agree that it seems like the end cost is roughly the same whether I do these mods myself or get one from Atlantic (or have some one else do them) - ? Boils down to whether I have the time, resources, patience, and personal pride to do it myself. - ?
To get that exact rifle the cost to convert it youself may be close but id still guess a little cheaper. However when it comes to presing off and replacing your front sight block and gas block it gets a little tough. Depending on your skill level that may require taking it to a pro which will cost a few $
But if you can live without the bayo lug and cleaning rod holder fsb and gb you can definitely save a few hundred $.
350 rifle
125 red furniture
30 FCG
20 gas tube
25-65 bolt-on hand guard retainer
Polished bolt - you could probably do it yourself or get pauly to do if for around $75 (I think? confirm that price)
TOTAL - Call it $575-700 after shipping
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If you really don't want to/don't have time to do the conversion but don't want to shell out close to $1,000, could buy mine. It wears all black furniture and is more of the basic conversion I listed out above. (No bayo lug, cleaning rod, or polished bolt)
In all honesty I haven't listed it for sale of anything like that but am itching for an AR at the moment so may be willing to part with it. PM me if your interested. Id be willing to sell it for the low end of what I just listed out as the cost to convert one yourself
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I thought this was worth mentioning to resurrect this thread.
Cabelas has Herters for $3.79/bx, both FMJ & HP.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Herters-762x39-Rifle-Ammunition/755646.uts
Use WTHANKS for free shipping over $100
I got 540 rds for $102 shipped
What kind of accuracy have you all got with the Herters?
Isn't it a repackaged russian ammo? Which one? I can't remember
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I agree with war hammer on all. I'm not ure which retaining plate I used but regardless of which brand you don't need the retaining spring spring if u get the retaining plate.
Save your $ or spend it on ammo, not thie little unnecessary stuff like a new trigger guard...
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My experience is that if you get something that'll clear the top cover enough to let you remove it for cleaning, you'll likely need a cheek riser.
That used to be true, and was the reason I decided to design my own.
And thanks for doing so! The RS AKM mount is ridiculously awesome. I picked up the package deal on Brownells for the mount and an Aimpoint. This set up is the cats ass.
I know AK guys tend to like cheap solutions, and I've been known to pinch a penny just as much as anyone else.. but the $30 I spent on my UTG mount was absolutely wasted. Yet another cheap shit part that now sits in my bin full of other worthless crap.
Had a cheap truglo red dot on top of it that bit the the dust.. that was the final straw that made me start going over each of my guns and replace all the bullshit mounts and budget optics with real solutions.
Buy once, cry once. I'm done with UTG and the like. Not even going to find its way onto my Marlin .22LR.
OTOH the RS mount is worth every penny. It locks up tighter, and more consistently by far. After removing the UTG quick release mount 5 or 6 times, it would become very loose and need to be tightened up. The RS mount is rock solid, period.. combine that with the cowitness ability, and it just can't be beat. Seems to have made my groups tighten up too.
Not trying to kiss ass here.. but I'm a VERY happy camper.
Sickness - any interest in gettting rid of that old utg for cheap? I'm tinkering with the idea of getting a red dot but want a cheap entry into the market. Since I'm really not so sure if ill like it. Does your old utg sit low enough to get a decent cheek weld?
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2.Gaili handguard w/retainer $30.00 shipped
I'll take this if it's black and fits a saiga with no barrel groves.
PM me pay pal info
Seconds on the galil handguard if bikermutt doesn't come through
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I've scowered these forums for the last year or so since I got my saiga but havent ever seen this broken down...
Can some of you experienced red dot users give me a break down of the advantages and disadvantages of a Micro Dot (i.e. primary arms micro dot, bushnell trs-25, aimpoint, etc.) compared to a reflex style red dot (EOTech, primary arms reflex sight, etc)
I'll also gladly take any suggestions on which red dot to purchase as well. I'm on a tight budget (and my life hopefully wont depend on this rifle) so unfortunately the EOTech's and aimpoints are out of the question.
I've mainly been considering Primary Arms Mocro dot or bushnell trs-25, but saw the primary arms reflex sight and realized I never heard anything about it. Seem to hear positive reviews of their micro dot a lot.
Also, I want to be able to either co-witness or have it on a quick-detach mount.
Thanks!
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I've been seriously considering a red dot as well as how to mount it for a while too. My rifle is more for plinking than a serious battle rifle and I'm def on a budget so I've been thinking about the primary arms micro dot. Never used and don't know if id bet my life on it but they seem to be well regarded around here and are easy on the wallet. Same story with the bushnell trs-25.
Ill definitely keep an eye on this thread! I'm curious to see what suggeations come in.
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Sorry, accidental double post
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Can u ee your rear sight leaf ans co-witness with wither this utg mount or the bp-02? Even if it isn't a perfect co-witness?
I've been thinking about trying out a red dot recently, but think I might like it better rear mounted than fforward mounted on an ultimak
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From what I hear the issue with effecting barrel harmonics is that the accuracy change is not concistant from shot to shot so you can't simply adjust your sight. As your barrel, hand guard, retainer, etc. Heat up at different rates they all interact differently effecting the harmonics differnetly from shot to shot.
As I said in the first post I know this isn't a percision rifle. Just wondering if anyone noticed a measurable difference before and after converting their hand guarrd.
I was tthinking that Saigas factory hand guard design could be one of the reasons they have relatively good accuracy compared to other aks
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Sorry, accidentally posted twice
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I'm extremely intereted in this thread.
Someone please post a pic looking through thhe red dot so we can check out the co-witness!!!
If these are rock solid, co-witness, and allow both the dust cover and gas tube to be removed for cleaning I don't really see a downside. Am I missing anythhing?
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I'm just wondering if anyone ever noticed an accuracy change after adding a hand gard retainer. Now, don't jump on me...I know these aren't percision target rifles and there's already a gas block clamped to the barrel, but I have to guess clamping the retainer on the barrel is just another point that effects barrel harmonics.
I there any legitimacy to this theory? I'm just a casual shooter, but wanted to hear from the folks who know a lot more than I do.
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Nice job Spanky! I'm also from CA and have that same mag lock. Any of you guys notice it seems to hang a little too low and the actual mag release is hard to get to? It's also at to far of a downward angle as you press the mag rlease forward it pivots farther from the slot. Hard to explain but for example - my wolf mc hollow points have a hard time fully detaching the mag. My yugo suyrplus fmj's have no prob.
I've always thought it might be bc I reused my trigger guard and that mag lock was designed around another with slighly different dimensions, but figured I'd throw it out there and see if either of you have the same issue.
I've thought about taking a dremel to the upper edge of it where it sits against the rifles mag lock to allow a fit a little higher, but am not sure if there are any legal issues with altering it... anyone know?
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I saw someone post a pic of big boar they took with hp (wolf mc I think) and the exit hole looked devastating! Don't have time to look it up and attach now but I'm sure others will remember. I think it was in a similar thread to this one.
I think some hp's perform better then others so be aware.
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PM sent on galil HG
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F*** that dealer. I wouldn't buy anything from him again...but that kinda thing really pisses me off.
It really is realatively simple even if you have very little experience with tools. Watch a few videos, read a few tutorials, and take your time. You'll do fine!
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It all comes down to what you want out of your rifle and HOW MUCH $ YOU HAVE TO SPEND. When I bought mine I could barely afford the $350. $800 was out of the question! And for $350 I had a fully competent rifle. When I had another $100 I added a fcg, pg and stock and had an even better rifle!
If u want the correct fsb, gb, 1000 meter rear sight leaf, cleaning rod, bayo lug, etc. Then the arsenal is without a doubt the way to go. But those are the extra bells and wissle's. Not necesary, but nice.
I'd like an arsenal, but if I couldn't afford it I'd take a standard home converted saiga or even completely stock saiga over no rifle any day!
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What bullet guide are u using?
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I've held off commenting on this post bc I've never really done any extreme analysis....but I've had some very good accuracy out of the yugo surplus (brass cased stuff recently avail in cases of 1260 for pretty cheap).
I've never hand fed rounds, let the barrel cool, etc., but seemed to notice significantly better accuracy with the yugo surplus over my wolf mc on a few occasions.
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A drill press should make easy work of it. If you don't have a press either a hand drill or dremel will do the trick.
Even if your reusing your the trigger guard the drilled spots will be under your pg and mag release so don't worry too much about keeping it perfect
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Yes they are more expensive than the basic IZ 132 but only about half of what it would cost in parts & paying a gunsmith to do the work plus all of this work is Factory installed .
Well I thought long on this and I think it can legally be done so here is an idea to really make many potential buyers happy.
Get the next shipment imported with dimples, a bullet guide installed at the factory, and the trigger guard/group already in the forward position.
The dimples will always make these even more appealing and I doubt it will cost anymore to specify the factory for dimpled receivers.
A bullet guide preinstalled at the factory should have absolutely no import problems because the rifle will still not accept surplus military mags without filing the mag latch, but it will ultimately make the end users very happy about not having to drill and tap the trunnion to install one which is a pain in the ass considering how tough the russian steel is.
The trigger guard and trigger group already in the forward normal position will also make things easier, and since the sporter stock is readily importable this should not cause any import problems. Now, someone might say that the forward trigger position will not be so great for the sporter stock, well most people that are going to buy these are going to rebuild them into something closer to what an sgl21 looks like so they really won't care if the sporter stock and trigger forward position will not work together anyhow.
The big plus here too is no need to drill out trigger linkage pins because the trigger is already in the right place.
By doing all these changes, a full legal end user conversion will be reduced to filing the mag latch lever to properly fit surplus mags and exchanging enough applicable parts for compliance parts. A retarded kid with a steel file and a box of conversion parts could convert a rifle in 30 minutes or less.
I don't even think you will be able to meet the market demand fast enough for a sub $500 retail rifle as described.
Buzz - I saw a ak variant at big 5 the other day (cesar, I think?) That already had the fcg moved forward, but no pg. I didn't like it at all. it just didn't look right
Id rather have a shootable rifle in its stock form and put in a little extra effort to move the fcg if/when I decide to convert it than buy a rifle that absolutely needs converting to even realistitaclly shoot it.
Keep in mind with your suggestion you'd still need to swap parts for 922r. Fcg is an cheap and easy 3 parts. With the fcg, the stock, and the handguard already in place, what parts would u switch out. You'd basically be forced to use US mags
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I think this is perfect for the avg joe!!! Personally, I've converted the fcg, pg, and stock, but left the handguard b/c I mostly see that as a cosmetics issue and haven't shelled out the approx $100 for looks alone. This has exactly what I haven't deemed completely necessary already done.
I only wish it was out a year ago when I bought mine!
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