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I don't know what I'm taking about, but I'm guessing without knowing exactly what kind of gun you have and what modifications have already been done to it, your question could be hard to answer.
The easy answer would be "no" however assuming it was purchased through a FFL and the FFL wanted to keep his license.
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I am a fairly new shooter and I am doing my homework on which rifle to buy for 2/3 gun and also just for fun. I want to get an AK, for no good reason other than I have always like the AK rifle since I was a kid, and I shoot a Saiga-12 and love it.
Now, when I got into Action Shotgun, I bought a Saiga-12 for the same reason, I just liked it. I ended up getting pretty competitive and thankfully I purchased a gun that helps me BE competitive.
So, from the guys I have spoken with at my range about an AK or AR, they pretty much say that its a scenario of either/or when taking a < 100yd shot. Once I start shooting over 100 yds the AR's will trample me unless I do a bit of work to the AK, which is not what I am looking to get into. These opinions came from AR guys.
If this is true, and it is due to the round type difference, my follow up question would be this: Could a possible compromise be a .223 AK?
So, I am reaching out to the Saiga community to ask the opinion of guys who shoot the AK's and can offer their expertise first hand.
Thank you your time.
Shoot what you want to shoot and have fun doing it.
There are guys who can hit better with their AK's than guys with their AR's, and vise versa.
All calibers have their gives and takes per their rifle platform, and the two guns you asked about are no different.
In the same hands, a crappy AK will shoot just as bad or good as a crappy AR.
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I took mine down when I first got it. I didn't see what seemed like a lot of oil or grease (I've cleaned and shot Bulgarian AKs before so I knew what it should look like) and that being the case, I took it out and fired it with zero cleaning. Everything went okay.
Did the same thing with my Saiga when I picked it up.
Let's face it, even if you don't know what you're doing, it's not like an AK takes forever to do a basic strip and go over it. Less than a minute of prevention can save a world of cure.
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Personally, IMO it's always a good idea to READ the instructions first, understand the instructions, field strip the weapon as far down as you feel comfortable, inspect and clean the parts (if needed), put the weapon back together and then go shoot it.
People work in manufacturing facilities and sometimes people do make mistakes. When it comes to firearms, it never hurts to give the weapon a good inspection BEFORE you fire it.
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I understand that "overall" off the line, odds are the Arsenal is going to be a better gun that the "run of the mill" AK, but if you're going to spend pushing a grand on an AK, why not spend a little more and get a Krebs "custom"? Or is the Krebs overrated?
Keep in mind, I'm no expert on the cost/parts used in building these "Americanized" AK's.
I'm very pleased with my run of the mill Saiga and just wondering if it's worth the extra bucks if I get another hankering for perhaps something "better".
Heck, it could be argued that you can only shoot one gun at a time anyways and you only need one gun. That said, I suspect some of you suffer from the same sickness I get from time to time.
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General comment, but as far as a rifle shooting shooting 1 rd per second shooting mil surplus ammo, the Saiga has shown me it's a pretty darn little accurate rifle.
If I'm looking for superb groups (everything in one big hole), I'll reload, use a bolt rifle w/scope and don't overheat the barrel.
You want to throw a thousand rounds at a man size target out a distance, if you do your part, at least the Saiga I recently bought will do it's part.
For the money, hard to beat IMO.
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Why such the price fluctuation on models per Arsenal's lineup?
Am I wrong in thinking that if you know your shit you could probably put one "almost" as good as an Arsenal?
I just see some basic models going for the mid 700's and then all the way up past a grand easy. Most of them are built on Saiga's to being with aren't they?
I guess my line of thinking is that as far as "mass produced revamped" AK's they are of decent quality, but is there really that much price difference in the parts that are used putting them together?
Keep in mind, I'm old enough where $350 use to be way to high for a chink 90. I just see what you can get a Saiga for new out of the box and wonder exactly what Arsenal does other than better quality control than say Century Arms.
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One of my AK's had never been cleaned.. Didn't have a ton of rounds through it. Maybe 2,000 or so.. I cleaned it up all spiffy and shiny one day. Took it out shooting the next and got the first ever malfunction out of it, it's ever had in the life of the rifle.
As I've said, old habits are hard to break.
If a gun sits in my safe that hasn't been cleaned after shooting it, I start to hear it moaning that it needs to be cleaned and If I don't clean it, I'll slowly drive myself insane. Other than that, I'm pretty laid back LOL
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I may have missed something, are these the facts? . at 25 yards and full windage adjustment on your front sight plus a kentucky windage of holding to the right by using the left edge of your front sight you are now centered for windage?
If that is what you had to do your rifle has a problem. the trinion fit is off or something else not alinged during its manufacturing. take it back to the dealer who will send it back to the distributor and he will send you a new one. The less that you mess with it the better, Be sure that you don't leave any marks on it trying to fix it yourself. A rifle that dosn't hit hit to point of aim when purchased is not unusual, however I would never accept one that had to be ajusted to its maximum and was still off. Also have someone else shoot it, Not that you are lacking in skill, but it is a fact that a rifle that is sighted in for one person is not necessarly so for someone else. This is an extreme case, however I purchased a expensive scope recently and when I looked at it at home just to the right of center the redicial was slightly bent. Before taking it back I looked thru another of my scopes and it was bent too, all my scopes were. I am almost 70 and I have stigimgtism in my right eye and it had gotten worse and caused the redicle to look bent.
I agree with you. Your line of thinking is exactly like mine, thus the reason for one of my fist post on this forum not knowing the rifle in general, even though per a visual inspection nothing seems wrong.
However I do like the gun and am getting use to it, particularly having to use the "left corner edge" of the front sight post. I KNOW that sounds dumb, but with my older eyes, I'm finding it easier to acquire and see the target (as I've said, I'm pushing a half century in age and I know I need glasses).
Just out on Friday with a couple of friends (both who have much younger eyes) and honestly I shot the weapon better then they did at all different ranges. That said, they don't shoot with irons much anymore, although one was a former 11 Bravo, so he knows how to use irons.
At 100 yards I could nail a pumpkin with multiple shots no problem, and could dump everything into an 8"x11" target as fast as I could pull the trigger at that range as well, and the groups weren't all over the place.
I've also noticed that with the trigger, with a little practice, you can get extremely fast double taps, to the point where other people wonder what kind of gun you really have LOL
Sounds stupid, but I LIKE the sight picture using the left corner of the front sight post, and if I couldn't get good groups and shoot it good, the gun would be going back in a heartbeat.
Don't get me wrong, if the gun cost as much as some of my others, it would be totally unacceptable, but for the price, and being it's a great beater gun, can't complain.
With my luck, I send the gun back, they send me a new one that is "perfect" per the front sight post, and then I won't be able to hit the broad side of a barn (if that makes any sense per my line of thinking).
All my weapons are well maintained. I don't think sending it back would be a problem if I wanted to.
I know a couple of good 'smiths in the area that don't charge an arm and a leg, might thread the barrel for a flash suppressor (does throw some flame I've noticed) might have them look at the FSB as well and see if they can't figure it out and get some more input if it should go back or perhaps an easy fix.
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cleaning?? an ak??
Old habits are hard to break.
I also eat, crap and shower faster than most men LMFAO Only bad side effect is I can't stand to wait in lines now.
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Pushing about 700 rounds through the gun so far, usually about 200 rounds a session.
After each session, clean barrel, gas tube, piston, bolt assembly, bolt and lower. Haven't done a detail strip for cleaning, not sure if it's needed. General oil in all areas and wiped down.
Just curious how many times people clean their rifles and of any tips anyone has?
Do people actually just throw all the parts in hot soapy water and then clean?
Heard some people talk about Windex, what's up with that?
First AK platform rifle but generally speaking keep all my guns clean after shooting.
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Thanks for the feedback, I'm pretty much set in the fact that I'll leave the hand guards as is.
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Might come into a buddies stock VEPR 2 rifle.
Has the stock furniture. What would one look to do to put a collapsible stock on?
Cut the tang and put on an ACE adaptor? Any other options?
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I guess what I still can't figure out is the one guy with the park service who is using this incident as an example of why it's bad to let people in national parks with firearms?
I mean, if it was illegal to carry in the park, how does this guy think the situation would of been any different?
If anything, if I'm at a national park and some nut job with guns goes postal, I'd want my sidearm.
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That someone else was me
The thread here was titled "Question on Accuracy"
Unlike you, I was dumb enough not to order a front sight tool with the gun and had to borrow one for the weekend because it was bugging me so much (I was shooting about 11" to the left at 50 yards).
Honestly, and this may sound strange, I'm kind of liking it. I've worked my way out to 150 yards and the grouping is more than acceptable for the weapon and ammo IMO, and I actually find it easier to use the "left corner" of the front post on longer shots with my older eyes.
I had a Mak 90 YEARS ago, and if I remember correctly, the front post wasn't centered perfect, although not maxed out to the left like the Saiga. I do however think the Saiga is grouping better.
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Another big plus is you get to spend more money on the hopes you can add more stuff to your weapon, which some say is already to heavy, you can add a light so you can be more stealth, an optic sight for better short range defensive shooting, a bipod you probably won't even use and then there is the muzzle brake(not mounted on the fore grip though) so you can control muzzle climb and recoil on your semi auto, mild recoil rifle that will increase the sound of the muzzle blast that you will hear. But it will look tactical as all get out.
LMAO
Honestly, I like the gun as it is
However, I do have a couple of adjustable buttstocks laying around, which most likely be my only change.
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Thanks for the info.
For now (and per your suggestion) I was just planning to leave the stock hand guards on it as I don't seem to mind them.
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What advantages are there in changing out the current stock hand guards on the Saiga rifle other than looks?
Thanks!
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That looks pretty good. I guess if it's at the extreme limit of adjustability, that means it's still within spec.
Does make me wonder if I cant the FSB ever so slightly to the left I can bring it dead center. I'll leave well enough for alone for now.
I stand corrected, the second pic is not of the same target.
Did notice that the screw for the lower hand guard did come loose during the sighting in process.
On that note, after taking her apart to clean last night, is there an easier trick for reinstalling the lower hand guard?
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FYI
With the front sight pushed as far left as it can possibly go (prone position). Apologies for the redneck target paper, each "dot" at the top represents an inch LOL
Although not perfect and still have to get use to the sights, another 18 rounds rapid fire on the same target
Although far from perfect, much better than it was previously shooting. OLD ammo mixed in with the new stuff pretty much shot the same. Son didn't want to go out back with me and instead wanted to play with his grand dad who was visiting out of state over the holidays so I didn't get to push it out to 200 like I wanted to, but ran 20 quick rounds at 50 yards, and can't really complain (by far much better accuracy than the last time out).
Guess the sights CAN be that far off out of the box.
In a perfect world I would like to bring it in to the right a little more, but I can compensate pretty easy using the left corner of the front sight (what I did at 50 yards). As long as the gun goes bang every time and I can pretty much not have worry about "babying" it, I can't complain for the money spent on it.
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Thanks for the responses again.
1. I don't expect a rifle to "spot on" out of the box, however I've never experienced something this far at 50 yards. I was hoping for some feedback along the lines of "yeah, out of the box it can be that far off"
2. Three weeks ago I was out shooting irons on a 5.56 at 200 yards and was more than satisfied with my groups and where the bullets were hitting. The week before that another gun in a 5.56 at irons at 100, and some would consider the groups (and accuracy) no too bad. Although my eyes are getting older and I know I need glasses, I believe I can still hit what I'm aiming at. That said, I also realize it can take time to become accustom to a different sight picture which this Saiga has
3. I'm trying to eliminate (by having people give me their opinion) on any variables that I may not be considering with the Saiga because I'm not familiar with that rifle
4. My dumb butt mistake for not getting a sight tool. I could of swore I still had one left over from a long time ago when I had sold a (regretfully) an AK a long time ago, but can't find it. I had to borrow one yesterday as the one I had ordered last week STILL hasn't shown up yet
5. I been shooting long enough to realize that sometimes the amount of money spent on a gun does not always equate to it's accuracy. That said, if I spend money on a gun, I do expect it to shoot "decent" (for it's caliber and model, and realize a gun of this nature isn't a "tack driver" out of the box) after it get's "tweaked". IMO if it can be shown that for whatever reason the gun isn't accurate, it should go back to where you bought it for the problem to be fixed at no expense to the buyer (as long as it's not a private build). HOWEVER, when one buys a gun, IMO one should not go back to where one bought the firearm six months or a year later expecting the problem to be resolved. Part of the reason why I asked here about the accuracy out of the box BEFORE I finally tweaked the gun.
6. In hindsight, what I should of done is adjust the front sight BEFORE posting a question on accuracy, but again, wanted to ensure that I wasn't missing anything the next time I go out
7. I just picked up more (different make) ammo to try
8. My primary concern has been addressed, that being the rifle does not look like it has a mechanical issue (canted sights for one)
9. I have other ammo now, the sight tool, and time this afternoon. I will try to rectify the problem today.
10. I'm not the brightest tool in the shed, apologies. I will sight the weapon in at 25 yards this time, and then if have the time, take her out to 200
11. If I can get the gun sighted in "decent" today, she can go into hibernation for the winter and I won't have to worry about (yes, I'm getting too old to the point where shooting in freezing weather isn't fun for me anymore LOL)
12. If the gun can't be sighted in to my expectation (at least getting on the paper LOL) I will have to have another set of eyes come over and give her a try
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I voted for Paul in the last election and I'll vote for him again this election.
I've never voted for a Democratic president in my life, but it seems that the Republicans have become no better. All they do IMO (both parties) is play the American man for a fool nowadays.
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Price
Service
Selection
Pick two, because it's impossible for a business to offer all three and stay in business.
As long as I don't pay more than 10% more than the cheapest place I can find it online and they treat me great, I'll keep going back.
One shop I always go back to was the first place I went to when I moved to my current State 8 years ago. Looking for a .45-70 stainless guide gun, the shop not only had it, they gave me a good price without bickering over it. I always go back.
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whats your muzzle crown look like? possible to have a bur on it
I'm only posting it because perhaps I'm missing it, but I don't see anything. Keep in mind, since bringing the gun back in, I haven't cleaned it yet.
SWAT against Hunter! Is the cops in New York retarded or what?
in Saiga 7.62 X 39
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Living in New York state for some time (Syracuse and Watertown area) this was the first post I came across that I agree with 100%.
After leaving NY I was asked some time later to relocate to Albany. I told them no way. They asked me why. I told them "dumb gun laws and I can't even live within city limits due to some of the firearms I own".
You're lucky you got off, period.
Not the brightest move on your end to bumpfire the Saiga while hunting, and I'm putting that as nice as I can say it.
Count your blessings, graduate, and then MOVE OUT.