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What's that stock and grip?
Ultimate Arms Gear (UAG).
Not trying to push you one way or the other, but just out of curiosity why are you hesitant to do the conversion?
I personally don't mind the feel of it as-is... But as others have noted, I may like the converted FCG much more. The question I have to ask myself is, "is ignorance bliss?" in this regard.
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AKFan, thread it and forget it. The threads are close to 1/16' deep anyways.
This. Just make sure you use the die alignment tool if you can.
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First, not all Saiga's have threaded barrels. Mine "appeared" threaded to me until I got my front sight post off, and then I was disappointed to find out otherwise.
Second, good job so far using the pipe-cutter. I would suggest, if you have a very steady hand, to use a dremel or similar high-speed mini-cutter with a wheel to cut longitudally down the side of what you have left. You do not need to cut all the way through (and I advise that you do not). Just get close, and keep trying to work it back and forth with pliers or other said tool. Take a little more off when needed. If you do have threads, a flat front sight post will not damage the threads when you work it. If you cut too far through it however, you obviously could damage them instantly. The idea is to relieve the steel enough on the post to split or give enough to come off without trouble. Just speaking from experience.
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Ordnance,
Welcome to the site.
RE; your post and various replys.....
The gas tube is not one of the parts on these guns that counts, or matters in the 922r scheme of things. Those can be USA or Russian - doesnt matter. Due to this post, several of us on here probably wonder if someone has given you incorrect advice or you may just not have read through enough of the literature yet. May nI suggest checking out sites such as Dinzag or CSS that have tutorials, etc.
Also, there is a Red Star Retainer Plate for the FCG so you can forget the spring if you like.
I also enjoy shooting these various Saigas in their "sporting" setup. I think the reason for some responses is that if you generally prefer a pistol grip and obviously like the grip on your Saiga, then most of us know from experience that having the pistol grip in its "natural" position is even that much better, especially for operating an AK platform (mag release tab, charging the rifle, etc)
Cheers
Harv
I just realized I misspoke in my previous post. Sometimes I type faster than I should... I replaced the gas piston with a Tapco piston (not the gas tube as previously posted). It was over a year ago (ordered it from Amazon and swapped the same day it showed up) and I had a brain-fart while typing. Sorry for the confusion.
I didn't know about the Red Star retainer plate... good info and ty!
As a few others have said, I also (mostly) like the factory Saiga forend. I would have liked it a bit taller vertically (I have big hands) but I like the length of it. Thanks to everyone else for the feedback as well!
Considering the pistol-grip and the M4-style tele-stock, I would say I am on the fence with parts, especially depending on whether the mag is in the gun or not.
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I'm just not going to go the "extra mile" and modify the FCG at this point.
then don't, there is no hard rule that you have to do the FCG conversion. just because some do, and are trying to convince you to do it, that isn't a reason to sell it off,
like I stated, doing things by consensus is never the way to go.
Thanks for the encouragement. It is appreciated.
And to all others, I appreciate all of your input.
I'm just banging my head against the wall on where to go with it. Personally, I don't mind the current placement of the FCG. Granted, pulling the receiver off, the wire-wrapped double-wishboned-whatever-it-is mechanism is not pretty. But for whatever reason, the trigger break on mine is crisp. Maybe I would appreciate it more with a converted FCG. Or maybe ignorance is bliss. I've owned a lot of guns, but I have never touched a true AK before I bought this Saiga. I like it a lot. Just on the fence with it. And I do not want to turn this into a political thread by any means, but that is one big reason (besides FUN) that I don't want to let go of it or too far with it either.
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Well thanks for the input to everyone.
Although at this point, I'm starting to regret asking the question. Might see it in the for-sale forum soon with all the goodies and ammo to go with it. I'm just not going to go the "extra mile" and modify the FCG at this point. If someone else wants to, fair enough.
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That doesn't look "converted".
True, not a full conversion. FCG remains the same, etc. A few internals have been swapped (gas tube, etc) to keep it legit. Just wondering on appearance what opinions are.
I would suggest you read up in the 922 section before you do anything else, then I would suggest you finish restoring the rifle.
As it sits now, it is 922 compliant.
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if you're happy with it, leave it be. if you're not, then make some more mods.
getting a consensus what you should do to your own rifle is never the way to go. do things you like for yourself, not what anybody elses' taste run.
For the most part I agree with you Matthew. In this specific case it is an exception.
Anyone that handles any normal configured AK will prefer that to one that has one of these tapco "conversion" stocks.
Putting the pistol grip two inches further back of the receiver does not help handling of the rifle. Unless you're Manute Bol I don't see making the rifle longer than the normal config a benefit for you.
Ordnance,
The guy in the background has a very basic converted Saiga. Yours would be very close to his if you did the true FCG conversion. In that config the rifle held up great. Forget looks. He even had a super cheap $20 tapco buttstock. It's still going strong.
I was more than happy to do that conversion for him a few years back when he lived in Northern VA. If anyone in the area wants similar help feel free to ping me.
Okay. Am I a rarity that I am one of the few (or only) that doesn't mind the FCG where it is? Honest question.
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That doesn't look "converted".
True, not a full conversion. FCG remains the same, etc. A few internals have been swapped (gas tube, etc) to keep it legit. Just wondering on appearance what opinions are.
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I agree with others. If you bought it on the cheap a few years ago, then there is positive value there. If you bought it in the last 18 months, chances are you paid more, and breaking even on "value" would be more realistic. If you plan on keeping it, then it all is up to you on what you are personally comfortable with, how much you care about how far you take it.
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Kind of hard to "prep" when you are locked in a cage. Idiot should have kept himself away from the cameras.
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I found a half-cage A2-stlye 14x1 brake on Ebay that worked nicely. Everything vents up and to the sides, nothing to the bottom to keep the rifle planted straight.
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Here's my converted 7.62. Should I leave it alone or just enjoy the beast the way it is?
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Good to hear. Now if Iowa would get on board...
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Ouch. But I'd rather do that than sign up for Obamacare.
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Or you could get one of these from Vlad.
I don't think I'd use the bayo lug, but I don't think it would bother me either. As long as it fits
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I yanked the FSB off of my Saiga because it was canted from the factory. I'm looking for a cheap/reliable replacement, either factory, or preferably aftermarket. Either something that clamps to the barrel, or something modular that can attach to an extended aftermarket rail (although I have haven't found any longer rails that extend past the gas block), and work with either the stock rear sight, or work with a matched aftermarket rear sight.
I am also looking for a reliable source for a threaded muzzle brake.
Any suggestions?
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I would think it'd be easiest just to weld it after that but you'd have to make sure the FSB you're welding on is the one you for sure want. Anythings gotta be better than a crooked one! Another idea i was going to do was remove the FSB, thread the barrel & install a flash hider then buy an Ultimak railed gas tube and TWS dustcover then you can run flip up AR style sights but that'd cost 300-400 buckaroos.
I would be happy with re-using the original FSB if possible. I don't mind the style, just the alignment. I am intrigued by the TWS cover, but I will probably lay off that since I want to keep the original sights for now.
cut it off and install a 24mm threaded FSB.you probably won't move the dimpled FSB by hitting it. if you manage to do so, you'll deform the dimples internally and it will no longer be a secure fit.
That's what I am thinking too. Even though the FSB is canted, the dimples appear to line up with where the recesses in the barrel would be, so I am afraid that simply hitting it would loosen it as you said.
cut it off and install a 24mm threaded FSB.you probably won't move the dimpled FSB by hitting it. if you manage to do so, you'll deform the dimples internally and it will no longer be a secure fit.
I'll agree, but if he pins it afterwards, then he shouldnt have any issues. I don know if he'll manage to move it. Putting a 24mm block on is prolly the best way to go.
Well I'm going to try to relieve the dimples and move it first. If that works I can try drilling/pinning it. If all else fails I suppose I'll just have to remove it anyway, and go with a different FSB, like a 24mm threaded as mentioned. Either way it's going to be moved/removed.
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Personally i would very carefully cut lengthwise through the dimpled FSB on both sides and just replace the whole thing with a different FSB. It's not a bad idea because then you can really see if the barrel is threaded. I was 95% sure my most recent one was but turned out it was not threaded.
If it's not threaded you can thread it yourself easily or buy a FSB that is threaded for AK74 style attachments.
I was thinking about that... new crimped, pinned, or welded?
Just give it a whack with a mallet.You read the manual too huh?
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I have a 7.62x39 Saiga that I bought brand new a year ago for $400. It was imported by TGI in Knox, TN, and redistributed/sold unconverted to the LGS/pawn shop I bought it from. Has mag well dimples, and all other true Saiga/Izhmash markings, appears to have a threaded barrel under the FSB shroud, etc. All I have done to it so far is add a UTG tele stock with the M249-style grip.
Anyway, I am not happy with the way the FSB was mounted/crimped. It is very noticeably canted to the left when looking through the sights. The front sight post was drilled and inserted to the right from the factory, to compensate for the FSB being mounted poorly. Thus the sight post is much, much closer to the cage on the right than it is on the left, almost to the point that I would have to press it to the left before I would attempt to unthread it.
My question is, is my best bet just to drill/relieve the four crimps/dimples on the FSB, turn it to my satisfaction, then weld it in place? If I do this I will also be re-tooling the FSB sight post as well. Or, should I just yank the FSB off and put one on with a muzzle brake, since it appears my barrel has threads. Putting a muzzle brake on is not a huge priority for me, just lining the FSB up to my liking is the main goal. Any suggestions are welcome.
Do more mods or no?
in Saiga 7.62 X 39
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I have my reasons at the moment, and laziness is definitely not one of them.