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My stock conversion is done. It was a simple PROCESS, but sanding and filing out the tiny details was a nightmare to say the least
oh hi there air-compressor tools. Nice to meet you. Thanks for lending a hand
After properly measuring and marking the cutting points with tape, I used a hacksaw to cut off majority of the stock, then I removed the factory screw that held the upper and lower together. After separating the lower, I used this sanding disc on an aircompressor thingamajig (I went to my Boeing friend's house to borrow it. Made life so much easier though I have no idea what theyre actually called haha) to fit the adapter as best as I could.
Then I used this metal dremel grinder thingamajig to grind away at the adapter itself to make the tromix screw angle appropriately in order to place the adapter into the cut portion of the receiver.
It's not perfect, but it works and I like it a helluva lot more than the factory plastic buttstock.
Voila
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That actually looks pretty decent. Nice job.
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Yea ive changed it up a lite since these photos. No worries tho
You did give me a good idea though
I had some old Magpul MOE rail lying around, and it fit on the handguard with a little trimming
I'm gonna cut the rail about 1/3 in size today along with cutting the factory stock off (wish me luck haha)
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also just buy one of the US made chokes for it, that counts
I think that chokes only count as muzzle devices and therefore countable when the barrel is externally threaded like the saiga.
i believe the ATF's current stance is that internal chokes are not muzzle devices.
What. A. Pain.
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freaking ATF, I swear
I guess I'd have to fork out the extra cash for a Tromix Shark Brake...
the idea of just sanding the barrel tip and loctiting the brake onto the barrel... I dunno man. I'm sure it works fine, I just prefer threads.
Wonder if anyone out there will bother making 1919 barrels with built in goodies like porting, threading, etc
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I'm going with the FB foreend
also just buy one of the US made chokes for it, that counts
Would this count?
It's $39.99 from centerfire systems and uses the factory choke system...
Which I think would be cheaper than getting a Tromix adapter + brake (though they look sexy as hell)
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I have the Tromix gas piston
Tromix FCG
(those are the ones that count)
I think that's 3 922r compliant parts. All I need is 1 more 922r compliant part and THEN installing the folding stock would be legal.
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking?
i just wanted to make sure you knew that changing the PG would not help your 922 count.
if you just meant you were on the fence for aesthetics i appologize. i was simply trying to make sure you weren't misinformed from this post
i personally think the PG has a very nice feel.
but the stock forearm sucked. thats why i built my own.
Oh no, no need to apologize. I was correct in assuming you were assuming I thought the PG counted towards 922r
Our wording of words wasnt particularly ... effective lol. I think we just confused each other for a minute
Yeah the Tromix FCG = 2 922r parts and the Tromix piston =1, a grand total of 3 like I mentioned. If I'm not mistaken, I'd just need 1 more.
Like I mentioned before, I gave serious consideration to doing the AR pistol grip adapter conversion but trying to cut that part of the receiver seems too risky for me to undertake myself. I REALLY love ERGO grips but I can live with the stock 1919 grip. I saw a gun porn thread on here where a guy had this grip band that went OVER the stock pistol grip. I might do that instead
Also, you made your own forend? What? Did you like... custom fit a rail forend on there?
I'd do it myself if it was significantly cheaper to do than buying the $200 forend coming out soon
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I thought about adding a pistol grip but all the work of cutting really does frighten me... it seems significantly more difficult than cutting the plastic stock off
Besides, I'm comfortable with the stock grip. I mean who wouldnt love a comfy ERGO grip? It feels so comfortable on my AR15. But I'm content with the stock pg
Just to make sure, you know that the pistol grip wouldn't get you enough parts right?
and could depending on the ATF's decision actually put you in breach of 922.
ETA punctuation
I have the Tromix gas piston
Tromix FCG
Tromix stock adapter
Tromix polymer stock
folding mechanism
firebird extended charging handle
firebird oversized mag button
I think that's 3 922r compliant parts. All I need is 1 more 922r compliant part and THEN installing the folding stock would be legal.
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking?
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i've gone to a fastener supplier and tried to get something that would work, no dice yet
Damn those Turkish threads...
They have their hearts in the right place (evidence: the ever tacticool UTAS-15)
but man do they slack off on some common sense areas. I can't complain though... the quality control is significantly more... predictable and constant than our Russian comrades
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I like what you've done
Not meaning to sound like a hater or anything, but the attached rails look ... uneven. Performance > Aesthetics, all the way. But still... personally, i'd leave just the front-most rail that mounts the front MBUIS
I think I have some random magpul MOE rails lying around that I could use to mount my spare MBUIS... I HATE the stock plastic front sight on the 1919
Other than that, FANTASTIC job. Your buttstock conversion and paintjob look impeccable
Also, my rear MBUIS was tough to get on my rail but I just had patience with it and would tap it in place with a little force and eventually it came on.
Have patience with it, it'll get on there
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ya it's something that comes with the forearm
That's the thing, I've seen mates running a 1919 setup with the stock plastic handguard and a different cap screw.
Eh, it's possible they made one themselves
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or just wait till toothandnail comes out with his extended mags thats 3 parts and then the tromix gas piston and your legal
Well... I dunno
I really wanna install a side folding stock and all I need is one more 922r compliant part...
its either blow $35 total ish for a steel plate that really has no use for me...
or wait a few weeks for a $200 handguard
I thought about adding a pistol grip but all the work of cutting really does frighten me... it seems significantly more difficult than cutting the plastic stock off
Besides, I'm comfortable with the stock grip. I mean who wouldnt love a comfy ERGO grip? It feels so comfortable on my AR15. But I'm content with the stock pg
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Here is an example
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oh and don't bash the gun apart with the bolt unsupported like that youtube video shows, you'll fuck up the plastic feed ramp with the quickness.
the reason I spray and clean out the FCG is that like an AR FCG it will wear in and start to feel better and better over time, cleaning it out will get rid of any tiny shavings and help the feel ever so slightly.
Wait, so taking a rubber mallet to remove the lower and upper isnt a good idea?
Whats the best way to separate the receivers then
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I pretty much refuse to put a floorplate on my gun to make it pass. (I'm already good with parts)
it's like tits on shark to me.
yeah, im gonna wait until the handguard is released
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I tighten it as much as I could but it still comes loose just from hauling it around
I see different types of caps on 1919s online.... I wonder where I can nab one. Maybe theres a better one that fits the threads
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Mine constantly becomes loose, even when not shooting
I see pictures of custom 1919s with different handguard caps and also on CenterFires page where they advertise the upcoming fb handguard
Where do I get a different cap that doesn't suck and actually tightens properly without use of loctite?
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Hajk, you are the man
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Okay so just lightly wipe down piston and etc. with oily rag and keep chamber and bolt fairly wet.
I'll be adding a tromix stock adapter so itll be a good chance to check for shavings
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Ah ok. I have everything you mentioned but the mag floor plate.
Im a little hesitant to purchase one seeing as fb handguards should be in stock soon.
Unless the steel floorplate has some sort of benefit other than just for 922r compliance
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I use frog lube brush on.
put it on the bolt and on the bits of the barrel that sit behind the bolt when closed, a little on the op rod.
and then I use a CLP spray on, a few drops on the various FCG bits.
Ah ok, I guess I could take care of the FCG a bit
Do you wipe down any parts on the op rod? or just spray it?
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the handguard counts, the stock and pistol grip don't. just wanted to clarify.
Ok good, I just wanted to make sure I didn't misunderstand that ATF letter.
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So, I might just have been drunk when I read the manual, but I'm still hazy on proper maintenance procedures for the 1919
When I got my 1919, the bolt and the chamber were pretty oily
I guess proper procedure is to do the usuals:
field strip firearm
clean barrel using solvent, cotton patches +brush, etc
wipe down bolt and chamber of any residue
However, I'm hazy on what parts exactly to spray lube on.
Or if Im even supposed to clean the piston, springs, op rod, etc (basically anything inside the forend)
This is actually my first semi auto shotgun so I want to make sure I do this right
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Wow, so I'm much more confident about doing this myself this weekend
My buddy has a table saw like Cobra 76 two
Hopefully it turns out alright. I'd hate to have to wait MONTHS for a replacement lower
Edit: Yeah screw the table saw, it was a lot easier to use a hacksaw and then just grind the cut into desired form
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Just bought the Tromix adapter, folding mechanism and Tromix polymer stock. I looked at several pictures and it seems the Tromix adapter looks more properly "flushed" with the lower than the Firebird (though the Firebird may be properly inline...who knows, I didnt buy the FB model)
ATF rules there are 14 922r parts on the AKDAL
in MKA-1919
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Cant wait for the handguard