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These do look cool and I'm already a big fan of the MDS. Check out the ARMS #31 mount, which should work perfectly and give you both a nice cowitness and QD at the same time. I have several of these mounts and the work great.
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Mine showed up yesterday as well. I haven't tested them yet, but man did they get here quick.
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I just want to say thanks again for handling this in such an awesome manner. It says a lot about you and your company.
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Doesn't the factory puck move freely when it's clean?
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The answers are here on the forum but to properly explain the necessary considerations and opinions would take someone at least a half hour or more of typing time. It takes the combination of the right knowledgeable person being in the right mood to sit down and dedicate a lot of time to writing it and answering the multitude of follow up questions.
Shannon of Cobra's Custom used to be awesome about doing this for people, but he understandably got burned out on it after untold thousands of hours spent typing instead of doing what he does best.
If you haven't already, try using Google for your searches instead of the search feature here on the forum. This isn't something that is going to be explained in a few short sentences. It's going to take you putting in the time to do the reading.
Here's a link to a Google search of this site to get you started..
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=saiga+12+hammer+profile+site:forum.saiga-12.com
Once you've read through the relevant threads, you can change the keywords to find more. It's not rocket science but it is going to take some time to get a real understanding of what to do and why. Hopefully you enjoy the process.
Finally, I'll leave you with some info from GunFun on the hammer profile to pique your curiosity...
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Next time, leave enough meat so that the carrier pushes the hammer wing at least 1 /16" lower than the disconnector. Using the factory hammer as a guide is good too. Make it so that the bolt carrier never hits a corner, and make the final angle such that the face of the hammer his hitting the tail of the bolt surrounding the hammer pin squarely. (Tapco starts out hitting at an angle.)
I am pretty sure there are some pictures of how it should look in the link in my sig line about triggers.
What matters is whether the carrier pushes it past the disconnector. If it does, and goes a bit past for good measure, it should work fine. If it does not clear the disco, your hammer will ride the carrier home. If it barely engages, then it can probably do so intermittently.
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I've had quiet a few emails back and forth with David on different topics and he seems like a great guy who is genuinely interested in putting out a quality product.
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I agree with GunFun (as usual). Extra weight out on the barrel is in the worst place you could put it for leverage.
I see these shrouds simply as heavy decoration. I usually put 100-200 rounds of birdshot/buckshot down the pipe when I shoot these guns and the barrel does not get nearly as hot as it does on a rifle. This led me to believe that a lot of the barrel heat associated with rapid firing a rifle is probably due to friction rather than the burning powder, but I'm just speculating.Finally, one cannot speak of barrel shrouds without paying homage to this classic clip...
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It's about an hour and forty minutes.
Cracked me up pretty good with that one. Then I laughed again realizing that you thought of that joke and then had the follow-through to go look up the run time.-
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This was just posted over on another forum. Sounds like good news for compliance and tuning...
"I've replaced both the puck and gas adjustment plug, both US made for the Saiga 12 from carolina shooters. Both fit perfectly but I have yet to go to the range to see if they work without issues. Haven't tried the auto plug one."
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... It's a 200 dollar gun you don't expect sub moa from a 200 dollar gun , and its cheaper than letting him shoot 500 rounds of 223/556
Great point. A half dollar sized group at 50 yards is all I require from .22.
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That's exactly the ammo I was using!
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This stuff has been very consistent for me and is usually priced pretty reasonably (relatively speaking) when it's in stock.
It's a nice balance of economy and accuracy when compared with Golden Bullets or CCI.
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The owner of DDI (David Fillers) seems to be genuinely interested in bringing good products to the market. It may be worth contacting him to see if he would be interested in tapping into your expertise. david.fillers@ddiarms.com
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It's made in China for DDI.
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Yes, apparently this shotgun features and enclosed trigger pack so until we get good images of it, we don't know if it is easily replaced with a standard FCG.
In the photo below, it looks like it has the right axis pin holes, so maybe it would be an easy swap after all, I'm just not sure...
Saiga for comparison...
Edit: Added S12 pic for comparison.
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T minus 1 hour until I pick mine up.............I too want to figure out this 922r stuff b/c I really want to run only factory Izhmash 8rd mags in it
Right now, all I have as far as US parts to put on it are: Buffer tube / Magpul stock (assuming 1 part) and a Magpul pistol grip (1 part), so I got quit a bit to still swap
This is going to be really tricky with the trigger pack. Ordinarily, you could drop in a G2 for 3 easy parts, but this is still a big unknown at this point.
You can play around with this tool, but I don't really see any way to make it work... http://gunwiki.net/Gunwiki/BuildSaigaShotgunVerifyCompliance
You might need to run CSSpecs mags instead for a reliable 8 round option.
Remember to keep in mind that the compliance page linked above is for S12 shotguns, so there's no telling if it's applicable at this point.
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This is a bit of an unknown at this time because I don't believe that ATF has made any statements about this particular shotgun. It would be great if their interpretation of 922r was consistent, but history has proven otherwise.
For example, parts counts are different for Saiga Shotguns and Rifles. They consider the "puck" to be the piston on a shotgun and don't count the rear trunnion as a part.If it works the same for these shotguns as the S12, you don't need to swap out the thread protector, you just need to make sure that if you replace it, you do so with a U.S. part.
Assuming you don't mess with the muzzle device, the way I interpret it is that you will need to get rid of 5 foreign parts.
Unless I'm mistaken, the easiest way would be...
1. Buttstock
2. Pistol Grip
3-4-5. US Magazine
Forends and pucks are also options assuming that they are compatible with the US S12 parts on the market.
Again, I'm not a lawyer or an ATF employee, so don't take my speculation as anything other than what it is...my best guess.
I'm hijacking my other post question to this thread. Sossss .... as far as 922r compliance all we need to do is (optional) change out the receiver extension tube, (aka: buffer tube) then add a 1) US butt stock, 2) a US pistol grip, 3) a US S12 fore end, 4) a S12 muzzle device or US choke, and use high cap US mags for 5 + 6 + 7 = 7 and we add up to 7 US parts? Would that be US 922r OK? If sossss, seems easy to do. I am very interested. Where can my dealer find some of these? Thank you.
You got it backwards. You aren't adding US parts, you are supposed to be subtracting foreign parts.
I just saw GunFun's post after adding mine. He's correct on this very important and often misunderstood point.
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So anything over 5 (8?) rounds would be a no no until somebody figures out the 922® US Parts count to make it legal? Might be a deal breaker.
That's right. The propriety trigger system means that it won't be as easy as it is on the Saigas. I think I remember David Fillers (owner of DDI) suggesting a U.S. pistol grip, U.S. Stock, and US magazines for compliance, but be sure to do your own homework and don't take this as legal advice.
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Is the Chinese DDI 12 gage shotgun 922® compliant? Or is that non relevant?
It is only 922r compliant with magazines holding 5 rounds or less. 100% Chinese manufactured, so no US parts out of the box. If you want to use mags larger than 5 rounds, you'll need to start counting/swapping parts.
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First review on this shotgun...
(Big Shooterist)
https://www.full30.com/video/77f8d8ea932172df312cd532630aa80e
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As for your hand, get some of this:http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BFRX7H0/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_3?pf_rd_p=1944687562&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B00BFWUZ2K&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1NGVE1G2XXGJPX11DNHV
,etc. You can get a pack of 3-4 30" sticks of this stuff for about $3.50 at most auto parts stores.
I now remember reading this suggestion in the past but it slipped my mind. Thanks for taking the time to track down those links.
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The Suarez trick for identifying slug mags mentioned above.
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To backup what Chile said, here's my list in order of preference.
Range mags...
AGP over SGM. Friends don't let friends buy Promags. The drums may be ok, but should still be considered range mags.
Also, Korean 5 rounders work great.Serious mags...
My favorite is still the Izhmash 8 round polymer, but the CSSpecs steel mags are awesome too.The Izzy 8s have a weight advantage and don't have a spine to cut into the webbing of your hand during reloads. I have short fingers so this is a real issue with me using the CSSpec mags. I actually wrapped a section of several layers of gorilla tape across the spine where I grip them which helps.
Also, don't rule out the factory 5 rounders as they are awesome magazines. I like to use them as dedicated slug mags as they can fit in a pants pocket and be easily identified. A quick side note here...Gabe Suarez has a great tip about using .308 magpul "mag pulls" on slug mags as identifiers.
The MD Arms drum is durable and utterly reliable but very heavy and bulky.
My drum is a range toy, but others do keep them for self defense and this isn't out of line if the weight and bulk don't bother you.
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Yeah...I'm in with a grin. (1) Thanks for the chance Chili.