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  1. I have an SGL-20. Aren't these supposed to be the same rifles the Russian military currently issues their troops, only in fully-auto and 5.45 instead of 7.62 ? (SGL-31)


    I would think if they are using these guns for full-auto fire, they should plenty robust for civilian semi-auto fire. Still, I don't like the idea of thinner receivers/barrels to reduce weight and production costs at the risk of them not holding up or wearing out faster.That's just plain stupid if you ask me. I don't mind if the rifles are a little heavier, who cares.


    A millimeter thick stamped receiver spec has been the standard since 1959 for AKM type rifles. You might be confusing either milled receiver ak47 versions or RPK 1.5-1.6mm receivers.

    The original AK47 in the 1940s Type one had a stamped receiver, but because of manufacturing problems they used a milled version untill they could work out the issues.

    If your comparing chinese or yugo rifles, they had a different mil spec and are not typical of an original AKM. Russian Vepr rifles in 7.62x39 are based off of the RPK concept and these have much heavier barrels and a thicker receiver of 1.5mm. The main point you can draw from this is that saigas are not any thinner in the receiver than typical mil spec AKM rifles since 1959, and that the barrels are standard also.

    If you can manage to wear out a 7.62x39 saiga in less than 50,000 rounds, then you might have a legit argument. I have not seen a single report of anyone doing this. If someone wants to donate that much ammo for a torture test, I will sacrifice one of my saigas for the cause. I will provide pictures and video footage. Maybe Will on "Sons of Guns" the TV show might come up with such a torture test.

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  2. Salts CAN NOT be neutralized. Acids can be neutralized. Bases can be neutralized. Neutralizing an acid or a base produces a salt.


    Corrosive ammo is corrosive because it results in salt residues, NOT acid NOR base residues.


    Salts are ionic compounds which can dissolve in water. Hot water would have the best dissolving ability.


    Oil will not dissolve salts but will prevent or minimize the reactive nature of the salt which draws moisture from the air which would lead to corrosion.


    You can either remove the salt entirely and be done with it, or if you can't do a full cleaning right then and there oil coating will buy you time until.


    The main thing to consider is that for corrosion to occur you need water and free oxygen. Salt residue draws water from the air and the salt itself acts


    to speed up the corrosion process faster than if it were just water and oxygen.

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    I got ahold of some Tula 122 gr hp , sorry no 124 gr Tula in my area yet. I compared it to an old Wolf 122 gr laquered cartridge, Mil Classic 8m3, and 1990s Uly Blue Label 8m3. I also did a needle probe and the Tula has the prefail cuts. I also did a depth comarison.

  4. That only makes it slightly less desirable. It has the 8M3 bullet!


    Enough complaint emails to Tula might stop the poly crap coating.


    Attention Tula. The poly coating is garbage and is not helping anything. Please make the same 7.62x39 124 grain hollow point ammunition with laquered cases and mil spec sealant.





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  5. Do you think the 8m3 sapsan bullet is more effective than a SP in this cartridge?


    Would a soft point mushrooming and cutting a hole that you can fit two fingers through be more effective than a hollow point that explodes and hollows out a fist size hole?


    7n6 carries the poison bullet name, but 8m3 might as well be called "El Diablo"

  6. good point.what commerc load is most like the military round?


    There are several factors to consider here. Checking powder types and powder weights would take a long time.

    Since saigas are basically modified ak74 mechanisms, the ak74 mil spec rounds would serve as an ideal mil spec model.

    Suppose someone observes how far a 5.45x39 saiga ejects 7n6 from the rifle. A 7.62x39 saiga should have nearly the same cycle

    speed and ejection distance. This sets a standard control. If 7n6 ejects 15 ft away on average, then any commercial 7.62x39 load should not eject any farther away. It would be good to note that even though many would consider muzzle exit velocity this does not indicate the exact gas pressure at the gas port for that load. Different loads can have different varying pressure points depending on rate of burn, yet could still have similar exit velocities. However, the bolt carrier velocity is based on the exact gas pressure at the gas block, and so is the ejection distance.

  7. A factory installed adjustable gas block sort of like the Saiga 12 or more like a multi level similar to a FAL might help with tuning the gas system to the specific load. Can anyone be 100% certain that their favorite loads are not overgassing the cycle and beating the hell out of their gun. The argument can be made that if it needed a gas regulator the original AK47, AKM, AK74M, or etc would have been designed that way. The problem is that a specific mil spec issue load is also designed around the original systems and a commercial NON mil spec load may increase the gas pressure at the gas block to an already generously overgassed system making things far worse.

  8. It would appear Tula/Uly stopped providing Wolf MC according to the Tula ammo letter. Just means we want to buy Tula ammo 124 HP, which now seems to be available.


    Well, I read the open letter and it makes perfect sense. 122 gr hp has been a Tula made long boattail bullet that the Wolf label used.

    123 gr hollowpoint was always a bear bullet. 124 gr hp was Uly since the whilte box label/sapsan/mil classic.

    Vympel is golden tiger but no current hp offering in the USA. A Uly 8m3 bullet in a Vympel loaded golden tiger laquered case would be absolutely awesome. The dream team.


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  9. Same question as in the Saiga 12 section. How much would you pay for custom machined tempered/hardened critical Saiga 308 spare/needed parts such as carriers, complete bolts, stripped bolt heads, extractors, plungers, firing pins, etc..


    I may have found a regional shop that MAY be able to machine for us the critical currently non-available Saiga 308 parts. I need to know how many people would be interested and how much they would pay. HB of CJ (old coot)


    Just as a reminder, a new replacement bolt must headspace with a gap no wider than 0.003 of an inch or the rifle can blow up in your face. Headspacing requires adjusting the barrel position within the front trunnion. The new replacement bolt must also be checked for lug to trunnion lockup. The separate bolt lugs must make solid contact with the trunnion mating surface otherwise one lug will bear all the rear chamber thrust and at some point will crack and guess what could happen next? Bolts are not drop in ready parts and will probably require plenty of fitting. AK74 carriers should work in a Saiga .308 so why would I pay more than $20 for what a carrier would cost me through several other sources? I think spring loaded firing pins and extractors would be a niche product because these are most likely to need replacing and are not available.

  10. A saiga is not an AK47 and actually there are very few AK 47s in America. Most of the AK lineage rifles in the USA are based on the AKM pattern which is newer and a bit different. Saigas are an AK lineage weapon system, but more similar to the AK 74/AK100 type pattern which is like comparing a model T(AK47) to a modern Mustang (AK100). The picture below is an original AK 47 Type 1 select fire issued in 1951. The small refinements over 60 years make the differences. The newest generation the Russians are working on currently feature hinged dust covers with rails and a special counter balanced dual piston system that acts to neutralize recoil forces. Bearing all this in mind, Saiga rifles are AK lineage rifles which are mostly imported with rearranged user interface controls like a longer hunting type stock and a modified trigger system, but the frame, barrel, and bolt/carrier are unmistakably of the AK family. The G2 trigger group is very commonly used in many AK type semi auto rifles,







  11. Any chance of getting this dissection of the new WPA and Tulammo 124gr bullets to end the discussion?


    I am having to guess that the new ammo is coming in boxes marked WPA. I have not been able to get a hold of a WPA Mil Classic HP box or a Tula 124 gr HP box.



    I have both, where are you located?


    PM sent


    Just to reaffirm whether anyone wants to check:

    The easy check method is to center punch shoot 1 gallon milk jugs filled with water. The jugs should expode pretty dramatically more than any other Russian ammo type and there should be fragmented bullet pieces which will be strong evidense.



  12. Any chance of getting this dissection of the new WPA and Tulammo 124gr bullets to end the discussion?


    I am having to guess that the new ammo is coming in boxes marked WPA. I have not been able to get ahold of a WPA Mil Classic HP box or a Tula 124 gr HP box.



  13. This ammo is has been getting nearly impossible to locate lately.


    I managed to find a local store with a case of the ammo with this particular printed box. Has this box print been discontinued?







    I checked the hollowpoints and the jacket ridges are inside. This is 8m3 for sure. I have no way of getting a manufacture date.

    Does anyone have a different printed box for WPA MC HP? I been trying for months to find any and this is all I could.

    The big online stores are sold out.

  14. AKs are over-gassed by design. Some smack the trunnion more than others.


    The hand fitted parts could be off by just enough. One gas block might be pinned/dimpled a few millimeters closer to the chamber than the previous one. Human error is still obvious to spot whenever a slightly canted front sight makes its way to gun shops. I have considered trying to bleed off excess gas to adjust accordingly, but there is no easy fix.

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