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I'm in.
I am soooo glad I picked up an S-12 and came to this forum!
Thanks Mike!!
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Beware of the edge on round pans!!!!!
I had a fried who got tonked in the head when a 9mm round rolled around on the edge of the pan and struck him in the temple at 25 yards.
12 gauges are more powerful, but be careful and think about what you are doing.
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From the ballistic data I've seen and reports from LEO's bird shot won't do the job. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm
They make rounds that are sintered metal mixed with wax that are used as a door breacher round and has been developed into an LEO round that hits like a solid slug to get penetration then disperses.
Perfect for HD, if you hit the Zombie-he goes down NOW, if you miss-it hits a wall and make a big hole-but disperses. Everything on other side is safe (like your kids!)
You can make something similar with regular bird shot.
Open shot shell.
Remove shot.
Add 1/2 teaspoon of melted wax(binding agent) into the shot cup.
Add shot back into shot shell.
Clean up over flow.
Recrimp using a crimper or packing it back down the best you can with the tools available.
Make sure outside of shell is clean.
*Plaster also works well as a binding agent.
Exactly the direction I'm going. Buckshot, while effective, will zip through interior walls. Slugs, also very effective, would be a danger to even my neighbors. Frag rounds are perfect for HD.
Plaster seems to be a little too brittle, the shock of ignition and forcing cone breaks it up into chunks. Wax appears to be the ticket. But I'm learning about different waxes to see which is best.
Try simple candle wax.
You can almost always get it, even in an emergency.
Read The Shotgun in Combat by Tony Lesce.
It has a lot of "Box of truth" type testing in it.
It wasn't my best read ever, but there are a few gems like the improvised slugs.
I'd urge anybody thinking about using a shotgun for home defense to read it.
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I recently spied a .410 Saiga with a threaded barrel at a gun shop for $250.00.
It may have been slightly used, I didn't ask.
If I hadn't sunk some money into a S-12 conversion I would have snapped it up.
A .444 conversion would be way cool.
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From the ballistic data I've seen and reports from LEO's bird shot won't do the job. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3_2.htm
They make rounds that are sintered metal mixed with wax that are used as a door breacher round and has been developed into an LEO round that hits like a solid slug to get penetration then disperses.
Perfect for HD, if you hit the Zombie-he goes down NOW, if you miss-it hits a wall and make a big hole-but disperses. Everything on other side is safe (like your kids!)
You can make something similar with regular bird shot.
Open shot shell.
Remove shot.
Add 1/2 teaspoon of melted wax(binding agent) into the shot cup.
Add shot back into shot shell.
Clean up over flow.
Recrimp using a crimper or packing it back down the best you can with the tools available.
Make sure outside of shell is clean.
*Plaster also works well as a binding agent.
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I don't believe in a warning shot.
+1
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Hell yeah I want one!!!!!!!
What do I need to do to get one?
BTW nice Slayer poster.
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RSB = Rear Sight Block....McCumber what happened to that glossary???
It's the part that the leaf sight fits into and hinges on.
I'm posting some pics of that new rail design in my original thread on the subject. I'll have them up shortly...
Rear sight block, I thought so, but wasn't sure.
I'm a little new to the sight and didn't know about a glossary, I'll try to look around more.
I saw some of the pictures.
It looks exciting.
Thanks again.
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That's a great idea! I'm gonna tell my wife we are decorating in early Jeff Cooper. She might go for it in the bedroom.
1911
Actually it's Italian.
She might take to the wording a bit better.
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Okay, so now I have my S12 converted, plenty of magazines....but how do I translate that into the practical? I want to have it handy and quickly accessible, but I have kids from 4 to 17, so it needs to be secured.
What are you guys using to keep your home defense shotgun ready for use? Pics and links are always appreciated.
Thanks!
Jim
In Jeff Cooper's book To Ride, Shoot Straight and Speak the Truth he talks about double barreled shotguns being stored on shelves above door ways. They are out of sight but instantly ready. It is a little different with the lack of springs to wear out and the time you could leave it there without swapping mags.
The good thing is that it could be in a central location in the house, easily accessible and out of reach of the little fellas.
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They are sold out on all 12 gauge saiga's and according to them even their next order is sold out. "they will not have any for a very long time"
Ken
Thank god I got mine way before the mad rush.........
I keep telling my friends to snatch up the one at the store.........
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Could you do a bullpup conversion on an S-12?
The ejection port would be a pain if you were shooting left handed, but I think it would be interesting to see.
Holo-sight, light, bayonet.
Compact and nasty.(Not quite as neat as the Tromix micro)
No tax stamp either.
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Length of pull is one of the first things to check for when seeking a proper fitting shotgun, or so my father told me. Does anyone consider this measurement when building or having built defensive firearms? It seems that there is a plethora of available stocks and whiz-bang gadgets and yet I never seem to hear this discussed. Is the proper L.O.P. determined by the distance from your inside bent elbow to the first joint on your trigger finger? Is this only a rough estimate and
there are better ways? If your thumb doesn't hit your nose when you mount your weapon, is that good enough? Does a stock that is too short force you to shoot low or incorrectly mount on your chest or bicep? Does a stock that is too long make you normally shoot high? Just some things I am wondering about. Perhaps our Team Saiga members have some thoughts.
I understand that if my target is across the room and the stick goes boom, I ought ot be O.K. Just thinking a little. What are your thoughts?
1911
I am not properly versed on LOP, but here is my experience.
Length of pull is more important in straight stocks I believe. You have a greater stock distance and if it is too far you are screwed.
I don't worry on pistol grip long arms.
I prefer to go a little short. It gives you extra clearance to shoulder the firearm quickly. It also allows for thick clothing, like a vest or a winter jacket.
Long stocks will cause you to get hung up.
With short stocks, I tuck my elbow down and hold it in tight. Shooting high or low, has always been a matter of getting my cheek weld correct and getting the correct sight picture. Practice, practice, practice. The only times I have shot off of my bicep have been hurried shots, when I didn't focus on the fundamentals. Do some skeet shooting or some bird hunting. You'll know right away if something isn't right.
Sight, press.
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RSB??
The other option for fixed sights; I saw the Glock rear sight you installed. X/S makes a pistol sight for Glocks that would work well for fixed sights. I think I would prefer an adjustable. I'd like to be able to mark the POI for 100, 150 and maybe 200 yards for slugs.
What is an RSB?
Would there be a way to attach the rear sight to the back of the rail.......?
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I saw another topic on this.Where is this info coming from?Is there a bill before congress or is it just a possible thought.
Can anyone shead some light on this.
Thanks in advance
Ken
Street Sweepers and others were made DD's through an executive order.
Current threats are the new AWB and possible future executive orders that could come at any time.
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Nice extended mag release.
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Thanks for the reply Cobra 76 two.
I'm interested in the rail!
The AK sights that I am interested in are the X/S AK sights.
http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalo...roducts_id=3085
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I've seen a lot of different sights here so far.
Mainly it seems to be either an AK or HK sight.
I am more comfortable with HK sights, but the AK sights seem to be closer to the bore(possibly more accurate).
The AK front sight seems like it may be better for precise shooting.
Does anyone here have any comments?
Can you use the ultimak rail with both sights?
I'd like to be able to duck hunt with my S-12 when I'm all done.
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When you say "new trigger", it is assumed you'll use all the G2 parts in the bag (trigger, hammer and disconnector) for compliance reasons. You may have to fit the hammer, but there are posts here that can help (if you can't 'monkey see monkey do' from the original hammer).
Yes all parts.
I actually ordered the one from dsams.
http://www.dsarms.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AK922S
Figured I'd order as many parts from the same place as I could.
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Thanks nalioth,
I've been going over some of the posts and FAQs. I just don't want to be elbow deep in the conversion and see that I've missed something.
How strong is your saiga?
in Saiga-12
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If you use a pan, just make sure to cut the edges off and you should be fine.
If the plate gives, you should be free of ricochets.
Be careful.