[Fair market value for this Saiga 12?]

Sorry, didn't know it was against the rules.

[Fair market value for this Saiga 12?]

I'd like to hear your opinions about the fair market value for this Saiga 12:

 

 

 

 

Thanks!

[Mike D has some competition for x39 quadstack]

^{Think the capacities of the US Palm ones are supposed to be only 30 and 45!}

^{For the extra price and complexity, that sure is lame.}

[Possible protections for Saiga 12 importation?]

+1 As long as he still would prefer that it happens then he's not the enemy. There are some people that would rather keep the laws so that they can be "special", though.

 

I guess I can't blame people for trying to protect their jobs. How many companies, gunsmiths, manufacturers, and other people would be unemployed quickly if 922r went away. I personally don't like 922r but a lot of Americans have jobs because of it. Some of these companies have been very innovative in the market too. Many of these products would have never seen the light of day without funds to R&D it.

 

 

Americans spending time and money manufacturing parts that other countries already make better and more cheaply is a total waste. All the money and time they spend duplicating triggers etc they could spend making brand new, creative parts. All the money gun owners spend replacing parts on their guns to comply with an insane law could be spent... buying NEW GUNS.

 

Anyway, great job for the NRA!!!!

[Possible protections for Saiga 12 importation?]

I'm not sure about the implications, but it looks like Saiga 12 importation may eventually get some protection:

 

http://www.pagunblog.com/2011/11/17/while-our-opponents-were-distracted/

 

Very nice.

[Vepr 12 coming to the USA?]

There are rumors:

 

http://www.shotgunnews.com/2011/11/02/new-molot-products-bound-for-the-us-vepr-12-tactical-shotgun/

[Nifty, BHO mod]

Looks like a very clever mod.

[pro mag or md 20 rounder]

Save a little more for the MD 20.

[New Skin for my S12]

I think it looks terrific!

 

I like your modified romy folder. How'd you do it?

[Removing scope rail from Saiga12]

Don't take it off.

 

You will reduce the monetary value of your gun by doing so.

 

It is designed to have a scope rail, and can be used with a red dot sight.

 

It will leave you with holes in the side of your reciever you will have to plug up.

[Russian 8 round mags]

K-var had some a while ago. Don't know if they still have them. Could call and see if they have a few in the back.

[New saigas are to come in without a rail..]

[Keltec KSG competitor]

You are right, what I though was an ejection port looks like a loading port.

 

Too bad for cross dominant folks like me too. Looks way cooler than the keltec.

[Keltec KSG competitor]

Someone mentioned the UTS 15 is right side eject only.

 

Looking at the images, it looks like there is an ejection port cover on both sides of the reciever. Maybe it can be switched? Does anyone else see this?

[Recoil Supression Tactical Stocks Available Soon]

I wonder if this stock might induce malfunctions, like shooting from the hip sometimes does?

[My new saiga-12 from RJF]

Looks great, now get an MD 20!

[What is the NRA doing about the BATFE attempt to make import and defen]

They sent me a mass e-mail urging us to contact the BATFE during the comment period.

[A contender for the S-12 could emerge - Akdal MKA 1919]

The stupid study said pistol grips on shotguns are sporting, so it may make it in intact.

[I stop paying attention for just a FEW months..]

There's enough verbiage in the study to make Saiga a target for they explicitly exclude practical gun competition from being considered a sporting activity and limit 'sporting' definition to only hunting, skeet and trap. Additionally the study states that magazine fed shotguns are not well suited for the traditional sporting purpose. Saigas as imported do not have pistol grip so that line doesn't apply. The study addresses very narrow sporting definition, marketing terms ('combat','assault' etc) and if a shotgun is based on a platform originally developed for military use.

 

The stupid study specifically said that magazine fed shotguns were just as sporting as tube fed shotguns, assuming the magazine was small. Go back and re-read the study.

[Saiga "Masterkey"]

Yes, Red Jacket Firearms makes one. It was featured on "Sons of Guns". I believe there is a picture on their website.

[Import Paperwork Already Being Denied!?!?]

50 caliber rifles like the Barrett CAN'T be classified as destructive devices, since a DD is defined as a weapon with a bore diameter of OVER .5 inch without a sporting purpose. Not .5 inches.

 

Any 12 gauge could be classified as one but with the Saiga IMO it is very unlikely as there are so many floating around trying to get them all registered with an amnesty would be a nightmare. Do you think they want to process 10,000s of amnesty forms?!?! These guns are way more popular than the two other shotgun DDs.

[Import Paperwork Already Being Denied!?!?]

[How strong is the S12?]

One member did post pics of a gun that had the pins holding the barrel in break or fall out- the barrel shifted forwards in the reciever.

 

Someone said it was a "safety feature" to allow the gun to fail in way that would not hurt you if subjected to a dangerous load.

[ATF Shotgun Study - Here it is!]

I read somewhere that Taurus was going to have to constrict the end of the barrel to .50 caliber to get it approved... don't know if it's true though.

[I just ordered a Saiga 12S EXP-01-030 in the USA ! ! !]

Can't they just grind off the lower rail?