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I spoke with Jack earlier and he helped explain some of the forces involved in the process of using a magwell and it helped me visualize what needed to be removed where.
I also remembered I had tagged a topic covering this exact issue and took a look again.
A combination of smooting the "hump" on the back of the mag while removing ~.01 from the rear mag catch took care of the issue.
Here's the write up with pics done by Lokmeup: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/76816-iz-433-magwell-and-magazine-fitting/
Thanks all
Eric
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Give me a call sometime today. I am heading to the range in a few minutes for some practice. Got the the Arkansas 3 Gun this weekend and I need all the practice I can get!!
Will be available all day after that, getting gear squared away.
Lot easier explaining what to look for on the phone than over the internet.
Jack
337 353-3534
Will do.
Thanks
Eric
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Just got my 030 in my hands and none of the 4 or 8 round magwell mags will lock in so that the mag release latch pops back out into its normal position.
Just want to appease the demons in my head and verify you're supposed to "file, test, repeat" on the rear lug until they fit like the MD20s and other mags.
Thanks
Eric
If the mag well design has not changed on the new models, then the magazine will lock up on a three (3) point caming action. I am going to guess that both the 4 and the 8 round have a slight curvature to them? If they do then the concept is the same and I will tell you how to fit the magazines. DO NOT fit it like the drum. If you remove materiel from the lug, like the drum, it will definitely not work!!
Let me know if there is a curvature and what the magazines are made of and we can go from there. It is the same as fitting magazines to my JTE Magwell.
Jack
There is a slight curvature to the mag bodies themselves.
Here are the 8s: http://www.rusmilitary.com/images/magwell_magazine.jpg
Can't find a pic of the 4 round mags, but they have the same general shape. The plastic looks and feels different than the factory rock and lock 5s and 8s. Feels rougher/more substantial to me, but that's just my initial impressions of them.
I own one of your Surefire magwells and fitting those was pretty easy. These mags insert with a bit of effort and reach the top of the Russian magwell in order to activate the LRBHO, but they don't lock in.
What are your thoughts on getting them to lock up without filing the rear lug?
Thanks
Eric
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Just got my 030 in my hands and none of the 4 or 8 round magwell mags will lock in so that the mag release latch pops back out into its normal position.
Just want to appease the demons in my head and verify you're supposed to "file, test, repeat" on the rear lug until they fit like the MD20s and other mags.
Thanks
Eric
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Thanks for the info everyone. My S20 was just a "mucking about" gun until I decided to try and run it in a match and all the info here should definitely help get things setup to be as competitive as I am with my S12.
Eric
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Thanks much; I'll give 'em a try.
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Thinking about picking up one or two 13rd mags and running my factory full choked S20 in my usual 3 gun match for shits and grins.
The Wally World bulk pack Winchester and Remington doesn't reliably cycle the gun all the time so I'd like to see what 2 3/4" birdshot (6-7 1/2 shot) will take care of the steel and reliably cycle.
Thanks
Eric
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Sorry Indy, just dressed it up with parts from Bryan at Dinzag to give it the fixed stock '74 look.
Mind giving away what caused the bulge? Hot load or get something jammed in the barrel?
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I have a 2001 dated front trunnion S20 with the longer, factory full choked ("F(0,9)" on the left side of the receiver), non-threaded barrel. Akin to the IZ109 being the 19" S12, what is the "IZXXX" designation for this shotgun? I can't seem to find it on the Izhmash website and it doesn't appear to have been mentioned on here either. I'm really just wanting to know for my own records, but figured someone on here likely has the answer.
Thanks
Eric
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For sale is a Sig P226 SCT in 9mm. I've had this pistol for the past 4 years but just can't get used to the SA/DA and it doesn't get the love all my other pistols see.
The original 9mm barrel was threaded 1/2x28" by Tornado Tech and comes with 3 x 20 round Mec-Gar mags and a Blackhawk Serpa retention holster. Additionally, the fiber optic front sight (included) has been replaced with a tall Trijicon front sight that's bright and a LPA adjustable rear sight (factory rear sight included).
Also included is a .22lr conversion, threaded 1/2x28" by Tornado Tech. Additionally, the .22lr magazine has been upgraded with an improved follower, spring and short mag plug, increasing the capacity from 10 to 15 rounds and adding a last round bolt hold open feature.
Face to face price for the entire package is $1300 USD (plus actual shipping if a FTF can't be accomplished). Please ensure your FFL will accept a shipment from an individual.
"I'll take it" secures the deal. PM any questions for additional pics and/or information. Item is cross posted.
Thanks for looking
Eric in Arlington, VA
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Do you have a link for the Portugese ammo? I'm looking at some for pretty cheap right now that's brass cased, but if it's what you're talking about and it doesn't pass a magnet test then it's a moot point as it obviously has something ferous in it.
Here's what I'm looking at:
https://www.samcoglo.../Ammo-nato.html
and some cheap Czech surplus:
I dont have a link, but it appears to be the same one. We cant buy ammo online here so I happend to come across some battle packs in the shop one time and picked some up. Case stamp on mine is "FNM 82-21", which mean it is of the same production year as those are advertised with. I pulled some of the bullets from cases that looked more corroded than others and when placing a magnet on the bullet it did attract. I'd buy the Czech if I could get orders from online, that doesnt sound too bad for a crate and no warning of corrosion*
Thanks, I'll give the Czech stuff a go and see how it does before stocking up.
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it's when those steel gongs get put into a match that the magents come out.
.308, surplus south african are not bi-metal, it's coper jacketed lead core. I know this for a fact because besides passing the "magnet test", I cut one in half and it's all lead core. it's pricey, but if you want to shoot metal targets it's either that or look for commercial lead core ammunition, which is still going to be pricey.
but, you know the old saying : if you wanna play you gotta pay
I got some Portuguese and DAG that both attract magnets, dont think we have much SA in my area anymore. 308. surplus seems to have dried up in my area
Do you have a link for the Portugese ammo? I'm looking at some for pretty cheap right now that's brass cased, but if it's what you're talking about and it doesn't pass a magnet test then it's a moot point as it obviously has something ferous in it.
Here's what I'm looking at:
https://www.samcoglobal.com/Ammo-nato.html
and some cheap Czech surplus:
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I can use the steel cased/bi-metal ammo all day long on the paper targets...it's when those steel gongs get put into a match that the magents come out.
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Thanks all, kinda what I figured with the bi-metal jackets.
Eric
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Was going to use my S308 in a 3 gun match next weekend and they do magnet tests to ensure no AP rounds get into the mix and tear up the steel targets.
I pulled a bullet from a Brown Bear 145gn FMJ round and low and behold it sticks to a refrigerator magnet.
Anyone know if any of the steel cased stuff (FMJ or SP) will pass a magnet test on a pulled bullet? I'd like to take the S308 out for some run and gun matches, but the lack of a steel cases round that doesn't have any steel in the bullet may make that an impossibility.
Thanks
Eric
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Tag...and agree with the sticky recommendation.
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Fantastic post. Big thanks for the Cyrillic characters and their English counterparts.
Eric
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Tony Rumore said once he will do S20s in addtion to S12s. There just isn't a lot of demand.
Yeah, getting a builder to do it doesn't worry me so much. Tromix, Tac47, CGW and others can surely do it, it's getting the plan laid out for what parts can work in stock configuration, what needs to be modded and how so that has the wheels turning.
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That's right, forgot about the FSGB.
I know Saigatech USA has done a very nice S12 Krink. Guess I need to hit him up or have him venture into this thread.
So the RSB/top cover question still stands, but I think Ray (I hope I'm remembering his name correctly) should be able to confirm/deny that one for me.
Thanks
Eric
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Why? Because this America, the land of why not
I already have a converted S20 and am happy with it, but would like to SBS it for S&Gs.
Main question concerns the ability to get a Krink RSB, gas tube, HG retainer and top cover to work on the S20 bbl, trunnion and receiver...can it be done?
There are enough builders out there doing chop jobs on the Saiga shotguns so getting the short barrel/gas tube system to run wally world birdshot doesn't bother me, but ensuring all the Krink specific front end parts will mesh with the S20 front trunnion, bbl and receiver is my current knowledge gap.
Anyone know of this already being done in the past? I've seen some sweet S12 Krink-ish builds done (Ray does some amazing work), but not the S20 specifically.
Any links/pics/posts you think could help give me a thumbs up/down to the possibility of this would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Eric
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Hahaha, good answer! Well, you have the most difficult metallic part already done, Kvar makes the stock itself, and Brian of Dinzag has made the big pin and might be convinced to make more, so the latch parts and the rear button seem to be what's left. If you can reverse engineer the rear trunnion, you can do it! And make a killing
K-var has the rear hardware and the front hardware in stock. I may try to contract a Chinese company to do the entire stock.
Jim
I hate to ask for a link...but I just can't seem to find them on K Var's website.
Thanks
Eric
ETA: Found 'em
Back latch: http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17794&cat=251&page=1
Front latch: http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17795&cat=0&page=1
And you have a PM concerning payment options.
Thanks
Eric
My S12 Ver 030 conversion - and trouble shooting
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I've yet to be able to take my 030 out for a range session, but has anybody with one been able to get it running with the Wally World Federal bulk pack we all know and love?
Based on what Mario said, these 030s are the same ones Brain at Red Dragun was going to bring in and he and Mario both said they could run the bulk pack birdshot.
Hopefully lelandEOD chimes in as he's worked on a few of these shotguns and can possibly shed some light on what he had to do in order to get them running on the cheap stuff.