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Chumbley

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    Best home defence S12 set-up

    Thanks for all the thoughts. First off I will freely admit to simply wanting a Saiga. Looks incredibly fun to shoot and I like to have projects (ie making it run reliably - which I understand can be done?) Chances are that's all I'd ever do with the gun, however the reason I'm looking so intently at THIS gun is the fact that it seems like an excellent choice for HD. Is 20 rounds overkill? Well, yes, if your bad guy goes down after 2, but frankly for me more is merrier. I wouldn't want to take a gun in this configuration on a hike, but I don't think even my wife would mind carrying the extra weight around the house in an emergency. I already have a pistol that lives in the safe at all times for my wife, and ideally this would become a holstered backup to a long gun. I'd love to get her to the range more often, I just know it's not going to be as often as I go. I'm a cop and carry an 870 and a colt AR-15 in my vehicle. I love both guns, especially the AR, and these are locked in my closet during my off time, but neither suits my needs: AR for overpenetration and 870 for difficulty of use (for my wife) and low round count. Believe me, having studied many gunfights between bad guys and cops, it's easy to miss 6 times, and an 870 is not easy to reload under stress. Seems less easy to miss 20 times. I've seen a bunch of SBSs around here. Anyone want to argue for a shorty? Sounds like #4 buck may be still a bit heavy. What is the most effective load the would penetrate, say, 2 sheets of drywall before losing steam? Can I make an S12 shoot this load reliably? If not I may be back to the drawing board.
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    Best home defence S12 set-up

    Hi, I'm a noob and would gratly appreciate hearing your arguements for the best S12 setup for HD. I'm looking for something that my wife can shoot as well (was thinking of 20 or 410 but think the stopping power of 12g is worth some acclimation on her part.) That being said, I know she's not going to spend a bunch of time at range, so I also want a shot pattern that will enhance her hit percentage (as well as my own). Thinking of using #4 buckshot. Figure even someone in armor will get shredded and also have a kid so want reduced penetration. Plan to use a converted S12 with a 20r mag and pistol grip. Everything else is still up for grabs. One idea I've had is to shorten the barrel and then add a poly choke. I don't plan to be shooting at anyone outside my house, but stranger things have happened. Feel free to include your thoughts on stocks (folding/recoil reducing), lights, sights, etc. Also, assume you have mucho dolares (which sadly I do not). Lastly, I know that this general topic has come up before (have read some of it), but I was hoping to get your input given my particular situation.
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    Cali Cop legal?

    Learned some stuff and thought I'd post it here for others with similar questions. I spoke with the CA Dept of Justice firearms division. According to them (confirming what someone said here) I (or any citizen) can get an S12 with non-removeable mag, up to 10 rounds, without department authorization. It is however required that you check with the County DAs office as some countys prohibit bullet buttons. To get the S12 with detachable mags and in "assault weapon" configuration, I will need to secure a letter from my dept, on letterhead, that is 1) addressed to the gun dealer, 2) identifies me as a Peace Officer, 3) indicates that I have permission to buy a specific make/model of weapon. After I get the weapon I have to register it with DOJ as an assault weapon and include my Department letter. When I retire/quit the gun is still mine/legal in it's "assault" configuration As a PO I am apparently allowed to purchase hi-cap mags, but could not install them on a non-authorized shotgun. Hope this helps. Mr. Vampatella, thanks for the info. I'll check out your site and should contact you soon.
  4. So in CA it's legal to have a converted S12 with a ten round bullet release mag? So confusing!
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    Cali Cop legal?

    Thanks again. Nalioth, I get it. You really want me to call a lawyer. First thing Monday OK?
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    Cali Cop legal?

    Whoa there big fellas. Yeah, my department has lawyers and a bunch of other people that may or may not know anything about Russian made shotguns. Just thought I'd ask the experts first. By the way, thanks Arrowhead. I was afraid that might be the case. I don't think the gun is banned in CA though unless it has a removeable mag (or other "scary parts"), but it was my understanding as well that CA LEOs can have hi-cap mags and so thought it might still work. If anyone else has info I'd be greatful, and yes I will talk to my chain of command, etc. etc. Cheers.
  7. Hi, I'm a Peace Officer in CA and am hoping to get an S12 with some hi-cap mags. As a PO I'm allowed to own certain restricted firearms (AR 15, etc.) but I'm not sure about shotguns with removeable hi-cap mags. Anyone out there have an idea?
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    20 Rd Drum FAQs

    Thanks for the link. Yes CA is retarded. I'll do some asking around the department here as well and will post here if/when I get an answer. I'm also going to start a new thread with this question so more people might see it. Thanks again.
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    20 Rd Drum FAQs

    Howdy. I'm new here. I just heard of Saiga today and so far am quite impressed with what I've seen. I'm a Peace Officer in CA and I was hoping someone here might be able to point me to the applicable law(s) that would tell me if I'm allowed to own one of these shotguns with a removeable hi-cap magazine. I know that as a Peace Officer I am allowed to buy certain firearms that aren't available to the general public (such as an AR 15 with removeable hi-cap mags). I don't know if this exception applies to the shotgun laws however. Any ideas? Thanks, Chumbley
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