Chumbley

Thanks for all the thoughts. First off I will freely admit to simply wanting a Saiga. Looks incredibly fun to shoot and I like to have projects (ie making it run reliably - which I understand can be done?) Chances are that's all I'd ever do with the gun, however the reason I'm looking so intently at THIS gun is the fact that it seems like an excellent choice for HD. Is 20 rounds overkill? Well, yes, if your bad guy goes down after 2, but frankly for me more is merrier. I wouldn't want to take a gun in this configuration on a hike, but I don't think even my wife would mind carryi

Hi, I'm a noob and would gratly appreciate hearing your arguements for the best S12 setup for HD. I'm looking for something that my wife can shoot as well (was thinking of 20 or 410 but think the stopping power of 12g is worth some acclimation on her part.) That being said, I know she's not going to spend a bunch of time at range, so I also want a shot pattern that will enhance her hit percentage (as well as my own). Thinking of using #4 buckshot. Figure even someone in armor will get shredded and also have a kid so want reduced penetration. Plan to use a converted S12 with a 20r mag and pis

Learned some stuff and thought I'd post it here for others with similar questions. I spoke with the CA Dept of Justice firearms division. According to them (confirming what someone said here) I (or any citizen) can get an S12 with non-removeable mag, up to 10 rounds, without department authorization. It is however required that you check with the County DAs office as some countys prohibit bullet buttons. To get the S12 with detachable mags and in "assault weapon" configuration, I will need to secure a letter from my dept, on letterhead, that is 1) addressed to the gun dealer, 2) identifies me

So in CA it's legal to have a converted S12 with a ten round bullet release mag? So confusing!

Thanks again. Nalioth, I get it. You really want me to call a lawyer. First thing Monday OK?

Whoa there big fellas. Yeah, my department has lawyers and a bunch of other people that may or may not know anything about Russian made shotguns. Just thought I'd ask the experts first. By the way, thanks Arrowhead. I was afraid that might be the case. I don't think the gun is banned in CA though unless it has a removeable mag (or other "scary parts"), but it was my understanding as well that CA LEOs can have hi-cap mags and so thought it might still work. If anyone else has info I'd be greatful, and yes I will talk to my chain of command, etc. etc. Cheers.

Hi, I'm a Peace Officer in CA and am hoping to get an S12 with some hi-cap mags. As a PO I'm allowed to own certain restricted firearms (AR 15, etc.) but I'm not sure about shotguns with removeable hi-cap mags. Anyone out there have an idea?

Thanks for the link. Yes CA is retarded. I'll do some asking around the department here as well and will post here if/when I get an answer. I'm also going to start a new thread with this question so more people might see it. Thanks again.

Howdy. I'm new here. I just heard of Saiga today and so far am quite impressed with what I've seen. I'm a Peace Officer in CA and I was hoping someone here might be able to point me to the applicable law(s) that would tell me if I'm allowed to own one of these shotguns with a removeable hi-cap magazine. I know that as a Peace Officer I am allowed to buy certain firearms that aren't available to the general public (such as an AR 15 with removeable hi-cap mags). I don't know if this exception applies to the shotgun laws however. Any ideas? Thanks, Chumbley