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I've never cleaned an AK so it may very well be as hard to clean as my CETME.
The gun shoots pretty well if you allow for the front sight needing adjustment. I destroyed a CETME sight tool trying to adjust it. I've never had a FTF or FTE. I had what turned out to be a lemon Simmons AETEC scope on it for a while. Of course that's not the gun's fault. I might try another scope on it before I give up on it completely.. Are your CETMEs scoped? If so, I'd be interested in what you've had good luck with on yours.
I think the bottom line is the CETME is a bit of a tinkerer and I'm more a plug and play kind of guy. I've read of a number of guys like you who've turned them into fine shooters. I think the other part of the bottom line is it would be fun to try something new.
Do you have a preference between your CETMEs and 308 Saigas?
My CETME's and the G3 are open sights. I have a low mount on the G3 for a Red Dot, but haven't used it enough to like or dislike. It is hard to get the mount to stay secure on the CETME's because they don't have the rear sight block nub like the G3 does, and if you try to tighten a claw mount down too much it pinches the sheet metal receiver. The cast receivers seem to work fine.
So far as ammo, the fluted chambers don't like commercial cases; they are too thin. The Indian is sealed with tar, so that gums them up as well.
Most of the comments on the CETME site were concerning when you initially get the guns. Centurys monkeys are terrible about leaving sand and slag and whatever in there.
Between my G3 and my 16" Saiga it's a toss up.. but remember my Saiga is converted to PG and G3 sights. Now that the bugs are mostly worked out of the CETMEs, they are fine shooters as well.
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You can run the same mags in the CETME.
not in my CETME. am i missing some sort of modification or something?
The CETME's in the US, with the exception of the MARS, are built on a G3 pattern receiver. Only reason the G3 mags might not work in yours is due to mag release placement, which was hit and miss depending on who made the receivers.
If it won't lock in with a good smack on the bottom of the mag, you can file a little off the top of the 3 nubs on each side of the mag, until it will lock in.
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I have two 308 Saigas, 2 CETME's and a G3. Both of my CETME's needed work to get to run correctly, but they are great guns now.
So far as SHTF, the G3 and it's $2 mags are hard to beat. You can run the same mags in the CETME. The G3 sights are better than the AK style also.
How was the CETME so hard to clean, were you running Indian ammo or something? I have gone thru close to 1000 rds. in my G3 without cleaning, and it was no worse than an AK to clean when I got around to it.
So far as conversions, the stock Saiga trigger has a strange feel to it, and I converted mine because I wanted a PSL clone (20") and the 16" conversion just kinda happened.
Would like to get a G3 mag conversion for it...
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Not to bash the k31 too badly, but I don't think they were the most accurate bolt actions nor do I think they are necessarily a great choice unless your really into c&r rifles. They are generally accurate, and have good triggers, but finding ammo could be a problem if you don't want to reload. Personally I'd put my M1917 Remington against a k31 anyday as far as accuracy. One good point about the k31 is that they didn't use corrosive ammo so bores are better then average. Plus they are an intresting gun and well made.
The K31 action is a wonderful price of tooling. The ammo is pretty much target grade.
Compare an average K31 shooting the issue ammo versus an average M1917 shooting milspec and see which one does better.
But I digress off topic, so I apologize!
On the orginal post it was Saiga 308 or 7.62x39. For most any hunting, the 308 will give you much better accuracy, and load availability. For general fun, home defense and cheaper shooting, the x39 is a better choce.
Best choice is one of each, or any standard x39 AK.
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I doubt his Saiga had a cutout for a double hook, but it is very simple to do.
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Great find on that Nodakspud SVD look-alike. I think i'll get that one. Because it has the peg-grooves, does that eliminate the need for moving the FSB back? I might try it out first on the Muzzle mount that someone on these boards makes. The Silver 1018 Steel looks cool too. Might leave it that color
The peg grooves don't help on the Saiga FSB because it is not threaded and there isn't a retainer pin present. Only reason you move the FSB is to give room to thread the barrel.
Dinzags adapters are the option, other than threading or welding.
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Side to side it is fairly snug.
The RSA one has some side to side play, but it isn't enough to bother me.
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Exactly, and one big definition of a "sporting arm" is the ability to accept a LCMM, large capacity military magazine.
That is where the can of worms is opened concerning the FBMG mags and 922r. They are not "military" mags, but are considered large capacity, anything over 10 rds.
As originally designed, they were supposed to contain 3 US parts, which helps on the 922r issue, but they ended up shipping with only two, and the latest batch has Russian floor plates as well.
That is why Century had to add US parts when they opened up the magwells in the WASR-10. As imported with the 10 rd. mag, it didn't have enough "evil" features to class as an assault weapon, so it snuck in.
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There is no expiration in that bill; it would have to have a new bill written to strike it from the books.
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I'll take it, PM sent..
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Agree with checking out the K31. They are incredibly built and were the most accurate standard military issue bolt rifles ever made. The triggers are very crisp and there is some good brass available if you'd like to try reloading.
I was reading they could take .308 win as well? Right out of the box? Or with a proper reload?
Sweetest trigger evah!
DO NOT try to shoot 308 in a K31, it will go ka-boom! 308 bullets in reloaded 7.5 x 55 case is ok.
There are some 1911 and K31's out there that were converted to 308 and sporterized (I have a 1911, good shooter), but the standard K31 definately does not shoot 308 WIN ammo.
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Currently there is no factory "Russian" Saiga fcg that could buy to replace the old fcg to improve the trigger pull. If understand correctly with the 922 compliance, when you start to modify the fcg, muzzle brake, stock, pistol grip, ect... you have to play the 10 or less imported parts. The Saiga rifle has 14 imported parts. I heard you can polish the hammer on the stock fcg to improve the trigger pull.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks.
You are not wrong. As long as you don't insert a hi-cap mag, or change to a PG stock, you are not in the 922 game. and I may be wrong on that, big fuzzy area on the sporting versus hi-cap thing
If you look at the wear points on the trigger, you will see where to polish. Basically the flat of the hammer, and the hook on the trigger. You'll still have the funky back and up pull, but it will help relieve some of the grittyness of it.
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IF it is reliable, and IF it is in the mentioned price range, I would still be interested.
I have a couple FBMG mags, but probably 50 assorted G3 and CETME mags. For my 16" Saiga/G3, it would be just the ticket. It would be nice to have some interchange between it, my G3 and my CETME's.
Not to mention it wouldn't look half bad on the SaiG3...
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M14 mags require less modification to the rifle, but more modification per mag.
That's the kicker. Do you want your rifle to be able to use the factory mags or not?
So, BRG3, any plans to make any of the adapters? There may be some out there that are still interested in it.
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The G2 doesn't drop in on the Saiga 308. In the 762x39 model it will, other than the BHO. The hammer has to be recontoured a bit sometimes to get it to hit the firing pin fully (hits the cross pin). It is also too wide to clear the bolt hold open, so needs to be narrowed a bit to fit that back in.
Do spend a little time polishing the back of the hammer where it rides the bolt, and the hook surfaces on the trigger, disconnector and hammer. It will make difference in feel.
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Speaking of M-14 mags....
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showtopic=14499
I need to dig it out and spend some quality time on it to see what the bugs are..
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I am not familiar with the shotties but was talking to an FFL friend and he is thinking about getting one to convert.
I am trying to see the stock sights; is it just a bead setup like a standard shotgun? What about using G3 sights for a better aim point? They are working fine on my 308 so it is just a thought on the 12 gauge...?
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That is a pretty neat rail/mount. I just welded a piece of rail to my top cover since I used a G3 rear sight..
I'd love to see a pic of that if you have one...I'm doing the same or something similar to my Saiga.
There is a couple in the tacked picture thread, at the top of the forum.....
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That sounds more like it. Mine does pretty well with the SA stuff, haven't tried much commercial yet but I would expect good hunting or handloads to do better.
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Doesn't allow multiple choice on the poll
Psop on the 21"
Kobra red dot on cover mounted rail on the 16", or G3 open sights.
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Will these be fitted to a PSL rifle, or made to fit a Saiga?
Reason I ask is I started with a standard PSL set, and it was way too long to fit on the Saiga without major mods.
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Yep, looks like a standard handguard with vents
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My Saiganov with 6X PSOP
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I've been researching Saiga-308s precisely because I want to build a rifle JUST like that one! I've wanted a Romak for a long time but now that they're in the price range of new M1As, converting my own Saiga into a Saiga/Romak/Drag will have to do, and I think it will do nicely!! Do you have a "how i did it" post about this beast anywhere? Beautiful work!!
See this post; I added more info on the build at the end.
http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry144451
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I've had a few questions on the conversion, so I thought I would go back and update this..
The stock is a cheapo standard AK from Centerfiresystems
FCG is RSA Vepr 2-stage, pretty much drops in
gas piston is a standard AK part, got it from RSA as well
Upper hand guard and gas tube are off a Romy AK. The PSL is too long. You have to change the angle of the rear bevel on the tube to match the Saiga, otherwise it drops in.
Lower handguard is a PSL, came from K-var. I shortened it about 1 inch, and cut the rear to match the stock Saiga, and installed the Saiga retaining nut with epoxy.
The front is the major work, to open it up to clear the gas block, and fit the front hand guard retainer from the Saiga. My AK "retainer" on the handgaurd is glued on, just for looks. The forearm attaches just like the standard Saiga.
I also made a couple metal floor plates for the mags, to get to my proper compliance count.
Which is better, a HK91 clone or Saiga .308?
in Saiga .308
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HUH?
I haven't weighed my G3 or my CETME's to compare to the Saigas, but there is no way the Saiga has less felt recoil, unless you have a healthy compensator. My G3 kicks the same or less than any of the x39 AKs I have. And that is with a solid collapsible stock, with no pad. My 16" Saiga 308 with a 1" pad on the ACE stock and a AK74 style compensator is close, but still a little more recoil than the G3, with the same ammo out of the same box.
Now, a PTR with a 18" heavy barrel, yeah, but not an "original" style HK or CETME.