I'm a bit late to Parf's post but, man, is he right! I have an inline 12ga muzzleloader with a cheap Truglo Gobblestopper red dot. It's really a turkey gun but some of my buddies were shooting clays one day (many of them, like myself, aren't really shotgunners). They'd never shot a muzzleloader so I offered the muzzleloader to them to shoot. Out of a dozen shots, there were no misses from anyone (obviously no doubles but no misses either . Yeah--red dots are "cheating" and make bustin' clays stupid easy!