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Good Post !! I agree, alot of people really blew this out of proportion. If you take it for what it is, you will see that millions of companies do it everyday, from car manufacturers to electronics companies. As far as competition in this MKA marketplace, I think that is good also, buy whatever product YOU feel meets your needs, wants and budget. Personally speaking, I have always been able to reach Firebird and speak to whoever I needed to if I had a question and I know they stand behind their products 100%. On to bigger and better things anyway, as it seems these two companies have come to an understanding and they have decided to move on too.
I haven't purchased any FB parts and after that load of bs I can promise you I never will. It was handled in a very untactful manner.
You'll be missing out on the very best parts available for the MKA. Also, Firebird's customer service is top notch. I've purchased several FB products and have used their gunsmithing services. I've had several conversations with the FB employees, including Nanci, who is a very nice lady who's willing to go out of her way to help customers.
Jim obviously feels like he's been wronged by the other company. Why does everybody want to just dismiss his assertions that his ideas were ripped off? FB's products were first to market and some of the other products that followed from other companies looks just like them. I don't personally know anyone who works for FB, but when I first saw some of the products that were available for the MKA, I thought to myself, "How is it they are so similar?"
Jim's posts are not slanderous or degrading. He merely showed the differences between his products and the other company's. If the truth hurts, stop reading.
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I would hope that you could create a drill pattern for the holes to send along with the comp, so the end user would be able to self install. It could be wrapped around the barrell and taped, then drilled.
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Maybe I forgot to mention...this is not really designed for 3 gun in a 24 round configuration, I agree that coupled mags are problaby a better choice in those type of stages. I shoot alot of shotgun only matches, it really shines in this format with 24 rounds. Anyway, the point is, that you have many ways you can configure these couplers, using (in my opinion) the more reliable Saiga mags. This was just a solution I followed to fit my needs and I thought I would share.
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Just a follow up on these couplers.
1st impressions; These are very well made, they couple to the mags the way are designed to very well and have a nice finish.
How do they work: I decided to go for broke and assemble a 24 rounder with the 2 couplers I bought. I cut (2) Saiga 12 rounders at the first rib and decided to use an Akdal 5 rounder on top. I used a spring from the 18 round Roulette tactical mag, (I also used a spring from the 15 round Firebird couplers that I had with a factory 5 round under it, capacity was only 23 here). Both spring setups worked. I had to do some minor work on the upper Saiga mag, I ramped the front side of the mag where the transition was at the Akdal mag coupler (the follower was hanging there) after that all was well, I also am using the newer style Akdal follower, which was shaved down to easily glide from bottom to top.
Results: I only had 1 FTF in 10-12 loadings of the mag (200+ rounds). I am very happy with the performance so far, it has been very consistant for me. I will probably get a 20 round spring from R&R to try as well. I look forward to setting these up in different configurations. I would recomend these for the shooter looking for higher capacity for use in competition shooting or just plinking too. The weight of this setup is much less than any other I have encountered with this many shells or less ( although this is the only setup I know of that has this capacity). The weight for me is not an issue, as I find in competition shooting, you are emptying the mag so quickly the weight is not there for more than 1 minute or less in most cases anyway.
These are just my observations based on my experiences with these couplers, if you don't like to tune and tinker with your mags...then maybe these are not for you. Although I spent way less time using this system to get it running relaible than I have on my other setups.
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Do you have a price for example: A pre-XN barrel with your compensator installed by you ?
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I agree...thanks Jack for stepping up. I can't count how many times I have typed out responses to something on these boards...then hit the backspace button, instead of the post button.
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Must be a slow business day in Louisiana.
These guy's have done alot of good for "MKA Owners"...they enjoy the sport and are proud they did well in this competition.
What motivated you to strike out at them is beyond me.
By the way, I don't even own any of their products...nothing personal there, just went a different direction. I just got a bad taste in my mouth about your post.
If you want to do an ALL shotgun match...come on down to Florida in Feb., there is a Super Shotgun match held by WAC. 93 bird, 28 slugs, 14 buckshot, it's alot of fun too.
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Where's the love......Did I miss something here ?
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My stock lower had the same damage...I sanded it to take out the gouges and went down the road, mine fed fine with no problems.
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That's what I said in post #20........
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When I spoke to Bill (owner of the company) he indicated that the spring in the SGM mags work fine...at least that is what I remember. He stated that the springs that are in the MKA mags are way more than is really needed and that the reason they use such a beefy spring in the factory 5 rounders was the flaws in the mag required it. Don't shoot the messenger, I am only repeating what I remember him saying. Either way, R&R makes a spring for a 20 rounder that would surely work fine.
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I spoke with Bill today and am pretty confident of the setup. He explained the mods to the MKA mag and it sounds really simple and logical. He did say that the 2 round is the one to use, because the 5 round mags are not curved properly from the get go, which makes sense. He stated the curve on the Saiga SGM mags is correct and work well when mated to the 2 rounders. The mag on the bottom is a 24 rounder...and he has shot 3 gun for alot of years and says the ones he has, run 100%. He also stated that the SGM follower is the one to use...interesting. Like I said before, we shall see, I sent my MO today.
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Like I said...options are good to have. I was just trying to distinguish, that these high capacity setups are more for competition shooting than home/self defense, I don't need 20 rounds for that.
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I don't feel the weight is an issue, if the mag is loaded as the first one. I for one am shooting very quickly and the weight goes down quickly as well. I can hold my shotgun for 18-30 seconds without a problem. Beside that...under this configuration, the initial weight of the mag is way less than the Roulette mag (which I own also). 2 extra rounds may not seem worth it..until you need them. I was shooting a stage last week and was shooting 1 second splits from the shooting box, had 18 targets, had 18 rounds...missed the last 2...Oh crap! I dropped the mag, loaded my spare...added 3+ seconds to my time, that sucked. Should have shot it around 18-20 seconds...ended up shooting it 23.34 seconds.
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All couplers will be similiar, the advantage here is that you can join another SGM Saiga mag to the one joined to the MKA mag ( more rounds).
I would assume that the follower needs to be modified as well.
I believe R&R targets makes a 20 round Saiga competiton mag...so their spring should work. (here is a link, it is down the page a bit)
Isnt this _very_ similar to the FB 15 round kits?
Cut the top off a Saiga mag and attach it to an Akdal mag with a coupler kit.
I assume the Adal follower has to be modified for this to work with this kit as well, since the Akdal follower wont work in the SGM mag?
Does anyone make springs that will work in a 20 rounder?
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I think it would be at the least (1) 2 round Mka mag + (2) 10 round SGM mags or (1) MKA 2 round (1) 12 round SGM & (1) 10 round SGM or the max I would think (1) 5 round MKA + (2) SGM 12 rounders. I personally like the flexibility this gives for different combos. We shall see.
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So what is your point ? I was not calling out ANY particular product and I guess with 23 mags with Firebird couplers, with no flaws, you are lucky. I am happy you are happy...but unfortunately my journey has been different. Just putting out another option for people. I have every coupler/extended mag made. I will say, some work...some don't. I guess I will see if these work better or worse.
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I was roaming the internet the other night and found this site. They make an Akdal to Saiga mag coupler and even better, a Saiga to Saiga coupler. What this will allow is putting together a 20 + round mag...theoretically. There are already 20 round Saiga mags coupled using SGM mags, so there is a spring that is available.
This may be a better option for fixing some of the mag related problems, because the transition area seems to be where all the hangups are...I have ordered some and will see. If 18 is good..20+ would be better and lighter weight also (no aluminum body).
Here is the website: Higher Capacity
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I wonder if these mags will work with the MKA ?
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Amsec...all the way..check them out.
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I would love to see someone make a carbon fiber forearm...it would cut the weight dramatically. The only thing I have noticed from the stock gun is the target to target transition has to be much more controlled with the extra weight swinging around...I sometimes overshoot my mark, a little less weight would help that alot.
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That's what everyone say's...but that never made any sense to me. If you put something in motion with a force, the heavier the object is the more force it excerts against whatever it is pressing against. It may be that the heavier the gun is, it takes more force to get it moving...so that's why there is less recoil. I'm no scientist, but that's what I think.
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9 lbs 6 oz. empty with Firebird TAC-12 lower and handguard.
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I would review it also...seems like a no brainer to have a regular or competition shooter, with no agenda, give an unbiased review. I was always leary of seller sponsored video reviews...it seems more often than not that the guns do not deliver what is advertised...we shall see.
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Anybody have any pics on the "lever feed ramp" setup...sounds interesting.