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My handguard came in Monday, and I'm loving it. If anyone was curious, yes it's worth every penny
Here's my 1919 thus far (the magpul angled foregrip works wonders):
The handguard has a LITTLE side to side wobble, but I'm hoping to get it snug soon. Other than that, very VERY satisfied. I'm also ordering a ToothAndNail armory handguard off CSS because I love how small the handguard is. It seems to fit the hand well.
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My handguard came in Monday. I LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!
Ok solved problem.
Someone at Centerfire was in error thinking that the accessory right side rail was supposed to be on the handguard.
It is not...its an accessory you can add if you need it.
Orders will now be filled.
Jim
Hey Jim, is a little side to side wobble normal for these handguards? Its fine if its supposed to be like that, doesnt bother me at all. But if it isnt 'sposed to, I'd want to get on towards fixing it. I tightened the retention nut and everything so maybe I'm supposed to tighten some other things as well?
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Thanks for the info
How much would it cost for those of us who dont have the time (or most likely patience) to do this ourselves?
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joined the Feds, huh?
I lol'd
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Impressive. I hope to get as good as this someday when I have more hobby money
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It's the Turks response to KelTecs disappointingly slow production/distribution rates and the market demand for tacticool bullpup shotguns
+1 Exactly what i thought as well.
Would like to see how it compares to the KSG. Anyone handled AND shot one yet?
Most of my sources say its a solid shotgun and works fine, but could use a torture test like the C-SOG did for the KSG
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...get fucked
So back on topic...
So PYRO how is the balance of the MKA with the "mid barrel comp?" (because god knows if I call it anything but the thread will go off on a tangent)
dont get mad brah, just busting your balls a little
I'm actually interested in getting a comp too but other things are calling my attention first... like getting my hands on a FB handguard or replacing my daily carry with a custom glockmeister g27. I'd like to know if there really is a noticeable difference. Does it really aid that much to make it worth the cost?
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I know what it is, that wasn't the quesiton I asked lol
I just have a need to call it something more fun.
whatever helps you sleep at night
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It's the Turks response to KelTecs disappointingly slow production/distribution rates and the market demand for tacticool bullpup shotguns
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love those firebird handgaurds.
those and toothandnail's make the MKA look actually good
how is the balence with that rocket cone on the front (no idea what else to call it)
looks beastly with those
I think its a mid barrel compensator. Jim was talking about it in the other thread when one user was complaining about his permanently attached muzzle brake
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Looks fantastic.
You have a lovely looking family and I wish you the best on your products soon to hit the market!
Some people would prefer this type of handguard, but how awesome would it be to be able to separately buy the firebird charging handle and combine that with this forend?
Dont get me wrong. Jims forend is topnotch quality, especially with that integrated rail. Its just been impossible to get my hands on one lol
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Well, shoot. Seeing as how profitable the AR market is, you two should start trying to get AR shotguns out there on the market for production. Thats a toy I'd love to have, especially over the 1919.
I understand thats a lot of $$ to invest in to get that project up and running, but have you tried showing off that DPMS or Rock River shotgun at ShotShow?
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Too bad the ar10 lower is missing the feed/guide that is at the front of the akdal lower, you would need that cast in the ar10 lower 80% before trying to make an ar 10 lower work on an akdal
spoiler alert: he's more ambitious than that
Syndicate is (if all goes well) going to make one badass original TRUE AR-style 12 gauge based of the AR-10 design
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i can promise you that they never recommended shooting a bullet longer than the gun is manufactured for. Nor does ANY firearm manufacturer. Yes they are talking about power level... NOT shell length! Glad youre ok. Stick to 2 3/4 inch and 3 inch ONLY in ALL MKA's!!!!!! You will be hard pressed to find higher powered shotgun shells in 12 gauge than good old foster style slugs.
Roger that. The worker at the ammo counter I spoke to today said not to be too concerned since the mka is rated for magnum loads and the longer shells i was shooting werent magnum, but Im glad everything turned out ok regardless. At least bird shot is cycling a LOT better and I can enjoy some cheap plinking. Just gotta sight in the red dot
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You may have to change the style of the cooling slits, I think Jim mentioned about it in the other thread a user made about this forend
It might be just my way of thinking, but this is between Jim and these guys,,,,,,,,,why are you getting in the middle of it? If Jim has something to say, I'm sure he will post up.
He did lol
Thats why I mentioned it.
If this is something between the two of them, then they should start talking via email instead of over a public forum on the internet
see: http://forum.saiga-1...9-new-fore-end/
(I posted that comment in THIS thread so toothandnail would be aware of Jim's post)
Also, I'm pretty confident that angled cooling slots arent some violation of patent copyright lol. I just wanted to alert him about the post Jim made
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I mean, I'm 99.99% sure that your forend doesnt violate any FB patents or whatever but just a suggestion to avoid any trouble. If its possible to change the design a little of the cooling slits, why not?
Really ? ?
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Wow, never thought I would get this much response. I will keep this in mind hope everything turns out as good as it looks already. Mainly wanted more info cause I was looking at my options.
Having paid for custom extrusion dies, and the 1000lb minimum order of material....
The slots are a direct knock-off of Firebird, I might assume the side charging system referred to will be as well.
All that is well and good for an individual's use, but as a commercial venture, please do not copy Firebird's proprietary technology.
Jim
Haven't been on the shotgun side of firearms very long but know a little about AR-15's. No offense man but an angled slot or a forward charging handle aren't exactly new technology. Think about AR forends. How many companys use the exact same round holes, or slots? So does this mean Firebird is a direct knock-off of choate? They offer a forend with angled slot. As far as the forward charging handle goes look at every bull pup rifle out there. Look at the FN SCAR. I thought about ordering from you but I have a buddy that ordered one 2 months ago and still hasn't received it. Personally I don't want to wait a month for something I bought. To be quite honest and I could be wrong, it sounds as if you are mad cause someone else took initiative and is trying to bring this platform up to the aftermarket potential it has. As a consumer I prefer a oligopoly to a monopoly, and it will be that way until some of the larger aftermarket companies begin to see the potential of this platform.
I was thinking along the same lines but Jim and FireBird have been absolute wonderful to work with (same as RAAC). I hope this doesnt turn into what I think its going to be.
I have bought parts from Tromix, Firebird, and Atomic City Tactical to sort of support all the companies that took the dive on this platform.
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You may have to change the style of the cooling slits, I think Jim mentioned about it in the other thread a user made about this forend
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Full length top rail...
side charging handle coming mid october
slim and aesthetically pleasing...
all we need is a price quote and you got me 100%
I already preordered the FireBird handguards from centerfire but its been over a month late now so I might just cancel my payment and buy this one. Seems promising
Here is the FireBird one. Toothandnails looks much slimmer
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Would this count?
that....looks...amazing
If I ever buy a dedicated red dot for my 1919 (my eotech is sighted in for my AR15 and im gonna keep it that way), Id definitely want a handguard like that.
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I think RAAC may be talking about 3 1/4 DRAM, not shell length. Since the MKA-1919 is my first shotgun I am trying to learn as much as I can about all the numbers I see on the boxes.lol Dram refers to the power of the load, I believe and would make sense that is what they are recommending.
Please anyone with more knowledge on this jump in. I would be happy to learn more.
To be safe, just use 3 inch shells with high velocity dram
You guys are prolly right lol. I'll consider myself lucky not to have had one of these:
Also, I'm glad I made my hunting "expert" buddy Bob shoot those 25 31/2 birdshot loads that he reccomended himself since he "knew so much" while I loaded the 4 magazines with the high velocity winchester 2 3/4inch shells for me to shoot off. Those 50 ish winchester game loads made my shoulder mush, I cant imagine shooting 25 of those 3 1/2 shells back to back like he did. Then again he is a big boy. I'll just leave it to the Gods of Darwinism being kind to him and me yesterday at the range and never do it again
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DUDE!!!!! 3.5 inch shells in a gun chambered for 3 inch? Is that shit safe? I think not! Thats the kind of thing people who dont know firearms get on these boards and read and then.... OOOPS someone gets hurt from a not so smart post. Instead of trying everything and anything just get a few bulk (15 pack) boxes of Winchester 1oz slugs. You know, the red ones everyone deer hunts with. I cant remember the exact number i shot through mine off the top of my head, but they were the first thing i shot. And a lot of'm at that. Then i ran the hell out of some good ol' Remington 3" 19 pellet 00 Buckshot. In total with slugs and buckshot i believe we did somewhere around a 100 rounds total. Why now she feeds ANY 12 gauge ammo i run through her, and does it flawlessly. Yes thats including skeet loads as well. Also dont know if it helped any or not, but i left the bolt locked open for a couple days prior to ANY shooting when i first brought her home. If you are not worried about modifying it all up and making it compliant with the ATF forget the gas bushing. You dont need it. Just shoot it.
The paper from RAAC mentioned to break in shotgun with minimum of 1300fps and 3/14
It was typed on a piece of paper that came with my detent spring replacement
It literally said that on there. I had to get my friend who hunts a lot with shotguns and heavy hunting loads to doublecheck it to make sure I wasnt going insane, but maybe youre right. He prolly skimmed it, said screw it, and drove me to academy to get those loads
To be careful, I only shot a box of 25 of those 3 1/2 inch birdshot 1550fps loads. Then shot a bunch of winchester high velocity 2 3/4 to finish the job. Dangerous? Debateable, and likely but I'm still here fortunately. Stupid? Hell yeah I'm stupid, but I try my best to follow instructions. Keyword, TRY. I asked my buddy who hunts like every other week on his parents land but I guess he didnt know much better
Either ways, the shotgun ran those loads fine and it works a bit better now, still alive and kicking, shotgun is still running with no damage to it
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Range report
I used 25 Remington high brass high velocity 1550fps steel shot 3 1/2 in shells (had to manually hand feed them and forcefully eject lol) to break the 1919 in a little, then used some 30-50 Winchester high velocity 1400fps 2 3/4 in shells in the magazine to finish the break in.
After that (without the gas bushing) had about 70% successful cycle rate with the 1400fps Centurion ammo and the Winchester bulk box 1200fps loads
MUCH happier now. I imagine the gas bushing would help a bit for next time. For every magazine, there was a 50% chance of having ZERO malfunctions. When a malfunction occurred, it would be only 1 shell out of the 5 in the magazine. I suspected a good portion of the malfunctions were from improper seating of the magazine, but there were plenty of stovepipes, FTE, FTF (though most were from unintentionally riding the charging handle)
So far after today, definitely not regretting this purchase. I have to say though, the game loads made my shoulder into mush haha.
I'd like to get into the 95%+ success rate like yall are at, but I guess that just means firing a few more heavier loads or just shooting a couple hundred more light loads (maybe experimenting with different rounds altogether)... or just sucking it up and permanently having the gas pushing (and maybe a new spring) in the 1919. Id rather leave the 1919 as a buckshot/slug gun but it sure is fun shooting skeet with it.
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They finally sent me a replacement spring and its the original style... the screw, spring and detent 3 piece set
Which I was happy to have, it was easier to install than the current gen spring detent
My safety lever is kinda wonky, but thats expected considering what I did to it haha. Still works.
Finally put the 1919 together and I'm gonna buy some hunting loads in the morning and try to break 'er in
Unfortunately the guys at RAAC know me by name now :/
They did include an instruction sheet stating to use rounds at least 1300fps and in 3 and 1/4 (or was it 3 and 1/2? I cant remember, I lost the paper at the Alamo Drafthouse or World of Beer bar) to break in the gun. I thought the 1919 could only shoot 3inch or 2 3/4 shells but whatever. I'll call them in the morning to clarify
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Yeah, the charging handle on mine is nice but with the length of my arms, it kinda gets in the way of the typical stance used when using an AFG, but it works pretty well regardless